The Human Comedy 8 - Gr.3 Lake Maggiore
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- 118
- New Zealand
- BLACKNESS78
Hardest race ever for me too in GT7.
Win with the AMG GT3 - 2 stop strategy.
MR cars dont work for me in BOP races, without brake bias or some tunning they just have too mutch tendency to liftoff oversteer.
I prefer to trail brake in most corners, and this type of cars dont like that.
FR cars are the best for me in this type of races (amg, vette, jag, viper, etc)
IMO the 3 factors for the difficulty are;
Maximum pace for 60 minutes, full concentration
1 mistake is game over.
All the AIs literaly tries to kill you every single lap.
Win with the AMG GT3 - 2 stop strategy.
MR cars dont work for me in BOP races, without brake bias or some tunning they just have too mutch tendency to liftoff oversteer.
I prefer to trail brake in most corners, and this type of cars dont like that.
FR cars are the best for me in this type of races (amg, vette, jag, viper, etc)
IMO the 3 factors for the difficulty are;
Maximum pace for 60 minutes, full concentration
1 mistake is game over.
All the AIs literaly tries to kill you every single lap.
- 43
- United Kingdom
Thank you so much! After yesterdays experiments with the 911RSR and 1-stop I went with your suggestion. What a car that AMG is!
Anyway, race started and I passed Rubilar on lap three as he got stuck behind the Huracan. From there the race went like you said - two stops, just about inching away from Rubilar and catching Lopez in the last sector…
… except in my case I was a bit unlucky, as Beauvois was enjoying his AMG GT3 too and was leading! I threw everything I had at him and when he got held up by the Jaguar in the final corner I snuck past and, driving perfect laps, inched away. I was 2.3 ahead entering the last lap when Beauvois pitted, leaving me to come home 1st, 12 seconds up on Igor Fraga. Rubilar came 3rd, was about 15 seconds behind at the flag.
Thrilling - peak Gran Turismo, that. Thank you again @Thexnix for the car suggestion and strategy!
Tried the RCZ just now. Finished 9th. Had to stop for fuel with 2 laps to go when I was third and gaining on P2. I wouldn’t make P1. That Beauvois guy was on RM and I couldn’t keep up. My fastest lap was a low 59. Most laps were 2:00. The finish time for P1 was 1:00:50. This means an average 2:00 lap time with 1 stop.
So in summary I need a car I can do 1 stop only on RH. Suggestions?
I tried the Mclaren with a 2 stop on RM and found that the tyres wear too fast and I can’t keep the pace at the end of each stint.
So in summary I need a car I can do 1 stop only on RH. Suggestions?
I tried the Mclaren with a 2 stop on RM and found that the tyres wear too fast and I can’t keep the pace at the end of each stint.
- 172
- Washington, DC, USA
- jazznoisehere
I need to spend some lap time before I take another shot. I am lapping consistently at 201/202. 3rd sector is my kryptonite.
Try the CE first. Get used to the track. The gold time for the CE lap is around 1:58.5 so if you can hit that , you should be better poised for the real mission
- 68
- United Kingdom
Got very close last night. Within ~2 secs of the Huracan towards the last corner, but pushed a bit too hard and lost another second before the finish line.
That was a 2-stop in the 650S - DS5, TCS1, ABS weak. Had a feeling my pace and position was decent enough throughout but it still took a lot of concentration to close the gap to the 1-stoppers towards the end.
Tried a 1-stop myself after that and was surprised how well I kept up with the lead cars before they pitted after 20 mins, think I was 3rd and ~10 sec behind. Was pretty confident I might get a result from that, but didn't quite get the small amount of fuel saving right and got obliterated towards the end. Think I've realised map1 and short-shifting is the way to go.
It's a great race on a circuit I hadn't fully appreciated before - still hate the final corner tho'. Really annoying that it doesn't reward the effort with appropriate credits unless you simply win it first time. If I win it next attempt that will be 7 full races plus a few abandons.
Also, pisses me off that the time gaps are only visible to the cars immediately ahead and behind. Really need more info in the context of endurance races.
That was a 2-stop in the 650S - DS5, TCS1, ABS weak. Had a feeling my pace and position was decent enough throughout but it still took a lot of concentration to close the gap to the 1-stoppers towards the end.
Tried a 1-stop myself after that and was surprised how well I kept up with the lead cars before they pitted after 20 mins, think I was 3rd and ~10 sec behind. Was pretty confident I might get a result from that, but didn't quite get the small amount of fuel saving right and got obliterated towards the end. Think I've realised map1 and short-shifting is the way to go.
It's a great race on a circuit I hadn't fully appreciated before - still hate the final corner tho'. Really annoying that it doesn't reward the effort with appropriate credits unless you simply win it first time. If I win it next attempt that will be 7 full races plus a few abandons.
Also, pisses me off that the time gaps are only visible to the cars immediately ahead and behind. Really need more info in the context of endurance races.
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I also drove it yesterday for the first time. I knew beforehand that it wouldn't be easy, so I took it seriously from the start. I chose the McLaren 650S, probably not the best choice for this race, but a car I really enjoy in GT7.
I went for the two stop strat on medium tyres because I wanted to push the car and not save fuel. I used ABS and TC on 1 to save the rear tyres.
I overtook the BMW with Rubilar at the wheel on the first or second lap. He was the only one who could follow me through the rest of the field and always followed me at a distance of about 2.5 seconds.
In the first stint I started a bit too aggressively, in the last 2 laps my rear tyres were a bit too worn and the rear of the car was very loose.
At my first stop I put on new mediums and filled the tank completely in order to have a shorter standing time at the second stop.
I got back on the track before Rubilar and our gap was about the same. I started the second stint with a more rounded driving style and was able to maintain my pace much more consistently over the entire 10 laps.
I was able to extend my lead over Rubilar a little. There were a few cars in front of me that were on a one stop or no stop strat. I was able to overtake them either on the track or at their stop.
It was exactly the same after the second stop (again on mediums and this time only fuel for 10 laps).
I caught Lopez on the no stop strat with 4 laps to go. The fast Frenchman Beauvios was suddenly behind me instead of Rubilar. But he pitted again on the last lap. At the finish I was 16 seconds ahead of second Rubilar.
Except for 1-2 mistakes (each costing me about 2 seconds) and a 0.5 second penalty, I got through well.
I would say I did it on my first try, but it was actually my second. I abandoned my first attempt on lap 2 because one of the AI drivers thought he had to spin me by hitting the back of my car.
It's definitely not an easy race, I'm very experienced on the Lake Maggiore circuit as I've driven it a lot in GT Sport.
I would advise any newcomer to do the track experience on this course first to understand the track better. There are a few corners here that took me a lot of time in GT Sport to get right.
EDIT: Lap times
My best was a 1:57,6
My average times were 1:58,6
At the end of my first stint i drop to 2:00,5
Rubilar did the fastest lap with a 1:57,0
I went for the two stop strat on medium tyres because I wanted to push the car and not save fuel. I used ABS and TC on 1 to save the rear tyres.
I overtook the BMW with Rubilar at the wheel on the first or second lap. He was the only one who could follow me through the rest of the field and always followed me at a distance of about 2.5 seconds.
In the first stint I started a bit too aggressively, in the last 2 laps my rear tyres were a bit too worn and the rear of the car was very loose.
At my first stop I put on new mediums and filled the tank completely in order to have a shorter standing time at the second stop.
I got back on the track before Rubilar and our gap was about the same. I started the second stint with a more rounded driving style and was able to maintain my pace much more consistently over the entire 10 laps.
I was able to extend my lead over Rubilar a little. There were a few cars in front of me that were on a one stop or no stop strat. I was able to overtake them either on the track or at their stop.
It was exactly the same after the second stop (again on mediums and this time only fuel for 10 laps).
I caught Lopez on the no stop strat with 4 laps to go. The fast Frenchman Beauvios was suddenly behind me instead of Rubilar. But he pitted again on the last lap. At the finish I was 16 seconds ahead of second Rubilar.
Except for 1-2 mistakes (each costing me about 2 seconds) and a 0.5 second penalty, I got through well.
I would say I did it on my first try, but it was actually my second. I abandoned my first attempt on lap 2 because one of the AI drivers thought he had to spin me by hitting the back of my car.
It's definitely not an easy race, I'm very experienced on the Lake Maggiore circuit as I've driven it a lot in GT Sport.
I would advise any newcomer to do the track experience on this course first to understand the track better. There are a few corners here that took me a lot of time in GT Sport to get right.
EDIT: Lap times
My best was a 1:57,6
My average times were 1:58,6
At the end of my first stint i drop to 2:00,5
Rubilar did the fastest lap with a 1:57,0
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- 11,947
- Australia
- I_Grayson_Fox_I
I have given up on this race.
Balance of Performance is more like Imbalance of Performance.
In 2nd, keeping a 2.5-3s gap with the leader, Rubi dive bombs me and sends me off.
With in 1.5 laps, he is <.5s behind the leader and I am 8s away from the leader.
Oddly enough when I try to use the Supra like the leader, it is slow and has crap brakes
If I use the M3 that Rubi uses, It is not as fast.
So the BOP is not really Balanced if some cars act as if they have a rocket up their tailpipe.
Balance of Performance is more like Imbalance of Performance.
In 2nd, keeping a 2.5-3s gap with the leader, Rubi dive bombs me and sends me off.
With in 1.5 laps, he is <.5s behind the leader and I am 8s away from the leader.
Oddly enough when I try to use the Supra like the leader, it is slow and has crap brakes
If I use the M3 that Rubi uses, It is not as fast.
So the BOP is not really Balanced if some cars act as if they have a rocket up their tailpipe.
What were your times like?
- 52
- 2,099
- Zimbabwe
Have done this a couple of times now on a controller.
I found that I just didn't have the outright pace to do a 1 stop on hards running mid 1:58 to low 1:59 laps before dropping into the 2:00s to make the fuel last. Rubilar and Beauvois will merrily speed off into the horizon doing 1:55s and 1:56s and still come out of their last pit stop ahead of me.
However, I've had much more success with doing 2 stops on mediums. Still found it difficult to do consistently fast laps so the key for me was to chase/defend Rubilar and Beauvois hard on the first stint and force them to do a 3 stop race. If you see them pit on lap 8/9 then you know you're in the clear. All you'll really need to worry about is staying clear of the 1 stopper Mazda and Lambo on your last stint.
The AI here feels way overtuned, especially with how hard the midfield tries to race you on a different strategy. They just love to dive bomb you (and each other) into turn 1 and the hairpin, run wide off the track, then full send torpedo themselves back onto the racing line like nothing happened. It's like playing a completely different game compared to the other 7 races.
I found that I just didn't have the outright pace to do a 1 stop on hards running mid 1:58 to low 1:59 laps before dropping into the 2:00s to make the fuel last. Rubilar and Beauvois will merrily speed off into the horizon doing 1:55s and 1:56s and still come out of their last pit stop ahead of me.
However, I've had much more success with doing 2 stops on mediums. Still found it difficult to do consistently fast laps so the key for me was to chase/defend Rubilar and Beauvois hard on the first stint and force them to do a 3 stop race. If you see them pit on lap 8/9 then you know you're in the clear. All you'll really need to worry about is staying clear of the 1 stopper Mazda and Lambo on your last stint.
The AI here feels way overtuned, especially with how hard the midfield tries to race you on a different strategy. They just love to dive bomb you (and each other) into turn 1 and the hairpin, run wide off the track, then full send torpedo themselves back onto the racing line like nothing happened. It's like playing a completely different game compared to the other 7 races.
- 5,629
- North Carolina
- Droptop2001gt
My RCZ now has over 1200 miles, but I have finally golded this mission. I tried everything until I finally just nailed the perfect scenario for my half-assed driving ability, and just didn't screw up once in an hour.
Racing hard tires, TCS 1, ABS weak, no other assists, run fuel map 1 for the first 9 laps. The key is you have to get in the lead within the first two laps so you can keep the AI BMW and Merc from driving away in their first stint. If you drive hard enough, you can keep them behind you, and they are more likely to use up their tires and pit on lap 9. If they get into first before you do, they are nearly impossible to beat for a slowbie like me.
Once they pit, switch to fuel map 2 and run as hard as you can until you pit at the end of lap 15. Change to a new set of RH tires and gas up to 100. Switch back to fuel map 1 and go like hell again until Rubilar, Beauvois, and if you are lucky, Gallo, pit again on lap 19.
As long as you are in front of the Mazda (Kokubun) and Huracan (Miyazono), switch now to fuel map 2 and continue to push forward toward Lopez. I didn't make great progress against Lopez until the final 6 laps or so, when I started knocking off 3 to 4 seconds a lap, still on fuel map 2. The fastest 3 ended up stopping again at the end of lap 29, which took a lot of pressure off of my rear bumper as they all had stayed stacked up 1-4 seconds behind for quite some time.
Once they were gone, Lopez was a sitting duck, passed easily in sector 1 on the final lap. Fraga passed Kokubun for third and thankfully Lopez held him up just enough through sector 2 and 3 that he never caught me.
I never want to see this event again.
Racing hard tires, TCS 1, ABS weak, no other assists, run fuel map 1 for the first 9 laps. The key is you have to get in the lead within the first two laps so you can keep the AI BMW and Merc from driving away in their first stint. If you drive hard enough, you can keep them behind you, and they are more likely to use up their tires and pit on lap 9. If they get into first before you do, they are nearly impossible to beat for a slowbie like me.
Once they pit, switch to fuel map 2 and run as hard as you can until you pit at the end of lap 15. Change to a new set of RH tires and gas up to 100. Switch back to fuel map 1 and go like hell again until Rubilar, Beauvois, and if you are lucky, Gallo, pit again on lap 19.
As long as you are in front of the Mazda (Kokubun) and Huracan (Miyazono), switch now to fuel map 2 and continue to push forward toward Lopez. I didn't make great progress against Lopez until the final 6 laps or so, when I started knocking off 3 to 4 seconds a lap, still on fuel map 2. The fastest 3 ended up stopping again at the end of lap 29, which took a lot of pressure off of my rear bumper as they all had stayed stacked up 1-4 seconds behind for quite some time.
Once they were gone, Lopez was a sitting duck, passed easily in sector 1 on the final lap. Fraga passed Kokubun for third and thankfully Lopez held him up just enough through sector 2 and 3 that he never caught me.
I never want to see this event again.
I need to figure out a way to make them pit 3 times. I just had my best race yesterday and finished P2 16 seconds behind P1 who finished with a 1:00:56 time. I used the RCZ with a 2 stop strategy on RM. Had to use TCS1 and TCS2 when the tyres start to wear off. My best lap was 1:58.2xx and I drove like a mad man. Most laps were 1:59.xxx and only a few 2:xx or 1:58.xxx. This **** is hard. At least I’m improving 😆
- 209
- Germany
- MenocidiX
This race is way more random than I thought.
I was struggling hard beating it. Was reading the forums, trying different strategies and cars. Always finished within a range of 5-30 seconds behind the leader. But in the end it all came down to a lucky AI behaviour.
I managed to win with a 15 second lead. RCZ, 2 stops RM. Not super fast lap times, had one or two laps with a 1:56, but the rest was 1:57-2:00. I kinda like the fact it's so random, with AI doing mistakes etc., but it makes this race really unpredictable.
Side note: It was the only try where I also got a penalty because of track limits. Who knows what that might trigger in terms of AI?!
I was struggling hard beating it. Was reading the forums, trying different strategies and cars. Always finished within a range of 5-30 seconds behind the leader. But in the end it all came down to a lucky AI behaviour.
I managed to win with a 15 second lead. RCZ, 2 stops RM. Not super fast lap times, had one or two laps with a 1:56, but the rest was 1:57-2:00. I kinda like the fact it's so random, with AI doing mistakes etc., but it makes this race really unpredictable.
Side note: It was the only try where I also got a penalty because of track limits. Who knows what that might trigger in terms of AI?!
- 68
- United Kingdom
Finally cracked it this morning. Wasn't making much progress with the 650S so switched to the RCZ and nailed it pretty easily.
Other than the mad dash to get track position over the first couple of laps I drove most of the race with a bit of tyre conservation in mind. Definitely felt the benefit towards the end of stints. Beauvois was closing in near the end but I only needed to keep it smooth and consistent to cross the line a second ahead. My fastest lap was 57.8, most around 58.5. Finishing time +55 secs past the hour.
Fuel economy between the two cars is massively different, easily enough to account for my overall race time improvement. 650S would use 75% per 20 min stint but the RCZ only 65%. That's 10 seconds extra fuelling time over two stops, would've put me 5th in this race even if driving the exact same pace.
Other than the mad dash to get track position over the first couple of laps I drove most of the race with a bit of tyre conservation in mind. Definitely felt the benefit towards the end of stints. Beauvois was closing in near the end but I only needed to keep it smooth and consistent to cross the line a second ahead. My fastest lap was 57.8, most around 58.5. Finishing time +55 secs past the hour.
Fuel economy between the two cars is massively different, easily enough to account for my overall race time improvement. 650S would use 75% per 20 min stint but the RCZ only 65%. That's 10 seconds extra fuelling time over two stops, would've put me 5th in this race even if driving the exact same pace.
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Veinz
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- 5,169
- Ontario
Did it on my first attempt by one stopping with the 911. I switched to fuel map 2 for most of both stints to make the 15 laps. My quickest time was a 1:58 but I mostly ran in the 1:59-2 min range. The fastest AI lap was a 56 (hard difficulty)
Short shifting in fuel map 1 does not feel as beneficial as it did in GTS. It felt quicker to just go to fuel map 2 and let it go to the red line.
Short shifting in fuel map 1 does not feel as beneficial as it did in GTS. It felt quicker to just go to fuel map 2 and let it go to the red line.
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- 3
- Spain
Did it at my first attempt with the Mclaren 650S, very stable car despite being a MR, really recommend it. 2 Stops with RM, did 1 Spin and a lot of little mistakes, but I guess that my pace was good and won the race comfortably.
My fastest lap 1:55,9, and my pace was 1:56-1:58. Fuel rate in 650S allowed being in FM1 all race.
I would like to try other cars, but but since there is no reward twice... guess I will have to wait for other endurance races.
My fastest lap 1:55,9, and my pace was 1:56-1:58. Fuel rate in 650S allowed being in FM1 all race.
I would like to try other cars, but but since there is no reward twice... guess I will have to wait for other endurance races.
- 306
- Turkey
- VCX35
I am reading all the comments and who won the race usually had 1:55-1.56 lap times and only maybe bad time for 1.57. Guys, if you can do 1.55-1.57 every lap so doesn't matter your car, your tyre, your pit stop etc. You are fast enough.
Others including me can't win because our lap times 1.59-2.01, only first 2-4 laps only can be 1.58. After tyre wear not possible to handle 1.58 and under.
Others including me can't win because our lap times 1.59-2.01, only first 2-4 laps only can be 1.58. After tyre wear not possible to handle 1.58 and under.
- 1,745
- United Kingdom
- bone_tone
Tried it yesterday, on a two stop (RM) strategy with the Jaguar - the front runners all did a one stopper, and I finished 10th!
Tried again today, one stopping (RH) with the RCZ - the front runners all ran a two stopper this time (3 in the case of Beauvois), and I finished a long way behind in P3!
I was running 2.00.xx laps in the Jag, AI fastest lap was 1.57.xx, did 1.59.xx laps in the RCZ, the AI fastest lap was 1.56.xx.....
Tried again today, one stopping (RH) with the RCZ - the front runners all ran a two stopper this time (3 in the case of Beauvois), and I finished a long way behind in P3!
I was running 2.00.xx laps in the Jag, AI fastest lap was 1.57.xx, did 1.59.xx laps in the RCZ, the AI fastest lap was 1.56.xx.....
RacinLei
(Banned)
- 711
- Germany
- Leiwulong
I won it severel time with diffrent ways and cars. Try the unusual way.
Start with medium, go 7 laps fast then pit only for new mediums no refuel, go 8 laps faster, then now ur car gets lighter and u gain time. Than pit for hard tires and full refuel. Then fuelmap2 and bring it home.
Start with medium, go 7 laps fast then pit only for new mediums no refuel, go 8 laps faster, then now ur car gets lighter and u gain time. Than pit for hard tires and full refuel. Then fuelmap2 and bring it home.
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Decided to tackle this one tonight; did a 2 stopper using the trusty 911 RSR. Got to the front by lap 6, but destroyed the tires and caught a 2.5s track limits penalty in the uphill esses, so I was actually 2nd at the start of lap 10, but Rubilar slowed down far too much on the pit entrance and I dodged around him to come into the pits in first place. Started the second stint in 12th, but fresh mediums and a lighter car thanks to only filling up 70% meant I sliced through the field, 57s and 58s lap times for the second stint. Started the 3rd stint about 18 seconds behind first, but Lopez was either fuel saving or just not interested in driving very hard because I caught him at 3-4 seconds a lap and eventually finished 20 seconds ahead of the nearest 2-stopper, with all the 1 stop AIs way down the order.
HyperSpeeder
(Banned)
- 954
- Brazil
Very difficult. Tried my 1 million Ford GT '18, didn't work, car is unstable and eats through rear tires. So I bought the RCZ. 2 stops, RM tires, win by 15 or so seconds.
RCZ is one of the lightest Gr.3 and does not wear its rear tires as much, which helps, because, as you charge through the field, your tires will be gone soon. Fastest lap time 1:56.9, but consistently 1:58s and 1:59s.
1 stop is weakest strategy IMO. Impossible to beat Kokubun in the RX-Vision unless you're a god of Gran Turismo. His car consumes little fuel and you won't overcut him no matter what. Undercutting doesn't work either because he doesn't slow down much when he's about to pit. Maybe bring an RX-Vision of your own.
So the solution is 2 stops. Then Rubilar with the M6 is your main opponent. He cheats, his car is unrealistically fast. But Rubilar is beatable since he can get stuck in traffic and he's easier to overcut. Undercut is not recommended here since it ruins your later stints.
RCZ is one of the lightest Gr.3 and does not wear its rear tires as much, which helps, because, as you charge through the field, your tires will be gone soon. Fastest lap time 1:56.9, but consistently 1:58s and 1:59s.
1 stop is weakest strategy IMO. Impossible to beat Kokubun in the RX-Vision unless you're a god of Gran Turismo. His car consumes little fuel and you won't overcut him no matter what. Undercutting doesn't work either because he doesn't slow down much when he's about to pit. Maybe bring an RX-Vision of your own.
So the solution is 2 stops. Then Rubilar with the M6 is your main opponent. He cheats, his car is unrealistically fast. But Rubilar is beatable since he can get stuck in traffic and he's easier to overcut. Undercut is not recommended here since it ruins your later stints.
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