The New King of Racers? FM4

[Akira AC]

King of racers,nah.

Reasons:

>FM4 is an incomplete game comparing it to GT5,ISR and maybe the original TOCA series,the lack of diferent racing enviroments and situations makes it incomplete.

>In graphics,Premiums(even if are just 200)are in superior quality league,FM4 lighting engines does match GT5's(after finally seeing gameplay videos)but still it doesnt match ligthing mapping and effects like the ones in Dirt3 or F12010.

>Physics,Well Rfactor,I Racing 2.0

>Lack of 1080p,I know that is 360's fault but the imposibility of playing the game at the higest resolution possible is a massive backdrop,I know this because I own an LG LED and playing FM3 on 720p makes look GT5 far more superior,I pretty sure that this will be a problem when I'll be playing FM4 but there is no solution for it.

>PC racing games,by matter of fact FM4 cannot be moded,as a result the new content will based on 3D tools and artist availble at Turn10 studios,they are good and their tools are good but there are a lot of talented people that uses better tools and creates better models for PC(look at Gt2's mods),apart from that engine tweaks,higher uses of AA and other PC graphics tweaks will produce better particle effects,better physics dynamics and better track and cars models.

Having said that,I think that mods should put an end to this before it becomes another FM vs GT thread(which inevitable will become after a couple of days),I know that is not the author's intention but these threads usually tends to those areas.

 

[zr1chris]

King of racers,nah.

Reasons:

>FM4 is an incomplete game comparing it to GT5,ISR and maybe the original TOCA series,the lack of diferent racing enviroments and situations makes it incomplete.

>In graphics,Premiums(even if are just 200)are in superior quality league,FM4 lighting engines does match GT5's(after finally seeing gameplay videos)but still it doesnt match ligthing mapping and effects like the ones in Dirt3 or F12010.

>Physics,Well ISR

>Lack of 1080p,I know that is 360's fault but the imposibility of playing the game at the higest resolution possible is a massive backdrop,I know this because I own an LG LED and playing FM3 on 720p makes look GT5 far more superior,I pretty sure that this will be a problem when I'll be playing FM4 but there is no solution for it.

>PC racing games,by matter of fact FM4 cannot be moded,as a result the new content will based on 3D tools and artist availble at Turn10 studios,they are good and their tools are good but there are a lot of talented people that uses better tools and creates better models for PC(look at Gt2's mods),apart from that engine tweaks,higher uses of AA and other PC graphics tweaks will produce better particle effects,better physics dynamics and better track and cars models.

Having said that,I think that mods should put an end to this before it becomes another FM vs GT thread(which inevitable will become after a couple of days),I know that is not the author's intention but these threads usually tends to those areas.

Incomplete compared to GT5?!?!?!? WHAT?!?!? GT5 is the most incomplete game I have ever seen. That's why the constant updates to try and complete it. 800 cars are straight out of PS2 (graphics and sounds) !!!

 

[JJ72]

But really in terms of overall qualify I am hard pressed to think of any game ranked so highly consistently in all categories, certainly it can't win in every aspect (none of the existing game does), but as a racing game from both a specific and broad point of view, if everything promised is delivered, and if GT5 doesn't have any big improvement (so far I can't see any, what has the standard upgrade to premium talk lead to?), FM4 will no doubt be king.

compare to anything head to head, what it has is way more than what is has not.

 

[Akira AC]

Incomplete compared to GT5?!?!?!? WHAT?!?!?

Rally tracks,F1,Karts,Day-Night Racing,weather

I mean features,not content

 

[t.o.]

King of racers,nah.

Reasons:

>FM4 is an incomplete game comparing it to GT5,ISR and maybe the original TOCA series,the lack of diferent racing enviroments and situations makes it incomplete.

>In graphics,Premiums(even if are just 200)are in superior quality league,FM4 lighting engines does match GT5's(after finally seeing gameplay videos)but still it doesnt match ligthing mapping and effects like the ones in Dirt3 or F12010.

>Physics,Well ISR

>Lack of 1080p,I know that is 360's fault but the imposibility of playing the game at the higest resolution possible is a massive backdrop,I know this because I own an LG LED and playing FM3 on 720p makes look GT5 far more superior,I pretty sure that this will be a problem when I'll be playing FM4 but there is no solution for it.

>PC racing games,by matter of fact FM4 cannot be moded,as a result the new content will based on 3D tools and artist availble at Turn10 studios,they are good and their tools are good but there are a lot of talented people that uses better tools and creates better models for PC(look at Gt2's mods),apart from that engine tweaks,higher uses of AA and other PC graphics tweaks will produce better particle effects,better physics dynamics and better track and cars models.

Having said that,I think that mods should put an end to this before it becomes another FM vs GT thread(which inevitable will become after a couple of days),I know that is not the author's intention but these threads usually tends to those areas.

So, out of curiosity, what game do you think will/does stand as the "King of Racers"?

 

[FyreandIce]

King of racers,nah.

Reasons:

>FM4 is an incomplete game comparing it to GT5,ISR and maybe the original TOCA series,the lack of diferent racing enviroments and situations makes it incomplete.

>In graphics,Premiums(even if are just 200)are in superior quality league,FM4 lighting engines does match GT5's(after finally seeing gameplay videos)but still it doesnt match ligthing mapping and effects like the ones in Dirt3 or F12010.

>Physics,Well ISR

>Lack of 1080p,I know that is 360's fault but the imposibility of playing the game at the higest resolution possible is a massive backdrop,I know this because I own an LG LED and playing FM3 on 720p makes look GT5 far more superior,I pretty sure that this will be a problem when I'll be playing FM4 but there is no solution for it.

>PC racing games,by matter of fact FM4 cannot be moded,as a result the new content will based on 3D tools and artist availble at Turn10 studios,they are good and their tools are good but there are a lot of talented people that uses better tools and creates better models for PC(look at Gt2's mods),apart from that engine tweaks,higher uses of AA and other PC graphics tweaks will produce better particle effects,better physics dynamics and better track and cars models.

Having said that,I think that mods should put an end to this before it becomes another FM vs GT thread(which inevitable will become after a couple of days),I know that is not the author's intention but these threads usually tends to those areas.

I'm not sure what you mean by ISR (inside sim racing?) but anyway

Forza games have been far more complete then you give them credit for. They're are so complete because they do what they set out to do instead of try to do everything but very poorly.

I don't think the Premiums are better then the Autovista cars. On one of the old Ferrari's you can see writing on the bolt heads and you can see the ripples in the welds on others. Then consider the fact that all cars have cockpits.

Physics? We cannot comment until we play the game, it's as simple as that.

The 360 can output a native 1080p signal (has been able to for some time). What FM4 will do is unknown at this point. But, I'm sure you're just trying to point out GT 5's supposed native 1080p when it's actually 1280x1080 upscaled to 1920x1080 which means it is not a native 1080p game (1080p is used to describe a 1920x1080 resolution)

FM4 will get monthly DLC, it's as good as you're going to get on a console game.

And threads wouldn't turn into GT vs FM threads if you stopped comparing them in almost every one of your posts.

 

[Akira AC]

So, out of curiosity, what game do you think will/does stand as the "King of Racers"?

TOCA 3 for the original Xbox,along with Konami's Enthusia for the PS2

They might be outdated,but those are the best and more complete games that someone will ever see until Rfactor puts more Racing classes and FM introduce more street circuits.

 

[JJ72]

Rally tracks,F1,Karts,Day-Night Racing,weather

I mean features,not content

what you have listed except day-night and weather are all contents. and in GT5 those are really limited.

 

[jabofu]

King of racers,nah.

Reasons:

>FM4 is an incomplete game comparing it to GT5,ISR and maybe the original TOCA series,the lack of diferent racing enviroments and situations makes it incomplete.

>In graphics,Premiums(even if are just 200)are in superior quality league,FM4 lighting engines does match GT5's(after finally seeing gameplay videos)but still it doesnt match ligthing mapping and effects like the ones in Dirt3 or F12010.

Having said that,I think that mods should put an end to this before it becomes another FM vs GT thread(which inevitable will become after a couple of days),I know that is not the author's intention but these threads usually tends to those areas.

FM4 a more incomplete game than GT5? I thought it isnt allowed to share false information. FM 4 is not out yet and not all features and content are known.

Graphics are superb. "even it are just 200", yeah right. Its better to have 200 good looking cars and 800 ported from ps2 than 500-600 generally real good looking cars and every car has a working cockpit.

You say you dont want the FM vs GT threads, but by your false arguments and poor interpretation, you really asking for rage.

Your arguments are generally not valid, but i respect your personal opinion.

 

[zr1chris]

Rally tracks,F1,Karts,Day-Night Racing,weather

I mean features,not content

Personally I don't care about karts. The other stuff is cool but the total fit and finish of Forza looks like it will be better. Everything that Forza does have they have to the fullest. Car customizing on every car not just 25% of them. Custom paint jobs with any color and any design not having to collect paint chips and sometimes never getting just the right shade of color. Alot of things GT5 has they only went halfway on them.

 

[prymet1me]

TOCA 3 for the original Xbox,along with Konami's Enthusia for the PS2

They might be outdated,but those are the best and more complete games that someone will ever see until Rfactor puts more Racing classes and FM introduce more street circuits.

Its your opinion but you just seem bitter, it seems that FM must have harmed you personally and you now hold a grudge. Let go man, its ok.

 

[Akira AC]

Now,Put bloody GT5 aside and elaborate please,alright if you want to hear it then yes GT5<FM4 ,now can you please elaborate over the other games that I just mention:

>IRacing 2.0
>Rfactor
>F1 2010/F1 20111
>Dirt 3
>TOCA,although outdated
>GTR evolution

Aprat from the fact that weather is present in F1,day night racing is present in Shift 2.

 

[prymet1me]

Now,Put bloody GT5 aside and elaborate please,alright if you want to hear it then yes GT5<FM4 ,now can you please elaborate over the other games that I just mention:

>IRacing 2.0
>Rfactor
>F1 2010/F1 20111
>Dirt 3
>TOCA,although outdated
>GTR evolution

Aprat from the fact that weather is present in F1,day night racing is present in Shift 2.

Dude let it go, all you posts are just way off topic, this thread is about the UPCOMING FM4 and whats included. This is not about comparing an UPCOMING UNRELEASED game to old games.

 

[JJ72]

Now,Put bloody GT5 aside and elaborate please,alright if you want to hear it then yes GT5<FM4 ,now can you please elaborate over the other games that I just mention:

>IRacing 2.0
>Rfactor
>F1 2010/F1 20111
>Dirt 3
>TOCA,although outdated
>GTR evolution

Aprat from the fact that weather is present in F1,day night racing is present in Shift 2.

none of those come close as a overall package though.

Iracing is a dedicated sim racing platform, it has no value except for online racing, it doesn't even have a single player component, so it is very limited to be a representative racer.

Rfactor has an aged physical and graphical engine, dated AI and generally is second tier in terms of everything.

F12010 is beautiful and has great weather effects, but being a F1 exclusive game it has a much smaller audience, and hence can't quite be a representative king of racer. F12011 will be limited by the same scope, although I think it is a great racing game.

TOCA was decent at its day (although physics no where lives up to what it advertised), might be king back then but surely no more now.

GTR evolution is basically a better more polished version of Rfactor, the ISI engine in the end needs a overall revamp and as much work simbin put into it, it is not top of the bunch stuff anymore, while the game does very little beside being a racing sim.

So when you look at realism, gameplay, variety and quantity in total Forza and GT is among the best overall, and FM4 so far has every reason to be well clear of Gt5 in its current state.

 

[t.o.]

TOCA 3 for the original Xbox,along with Konami's Enthusia for the PS2

They might be outdated,but those are the best and more complete games that someone will ever see until Rfactor puts more Racing classes and FM introduce more street circuits.

Except for Enthusia most of the games you mention are specific to a subset of racing. F1 2010 ONLY deals with Formula cars, TOCA mostly DTM cars. FM3/4 deals with a wide range of cars. Moreover we don't know anything about FM4 and it's tracks and options.

If you want to argue FM3 then by all means go for it. But FM4 isn't even finished yet so maybe we should wait till we get some more concrete info before we start talking about what it "doesn't" have.

 

[cuco33]

Addition of weather and night would be more positives for FM4 but for me it doesn't need it. I'll more than welcome it if it does come. In real life, races continue or are delayed if it rains, depending on the race series and the only means of motorsports that deal with night are enduros and WRC is supposed to get a night stage this season.
Options are good though so I hope T10 adds them. I'll usually be racing in the dry during the day.

 

[Spagetti69]

And what us wrong with my horn question I ask?

How about different helmets chaps?

 

[JJ72]

And what us wrong with my horn question I ask?

How about different helmets chaps?

too trivial?

 

[Spagetti69]

Paint chips?

 

[Luminis]

FM will never be a Full Sim , and i think that the makers of FM doesnt want that

I think they want a mix of sim and arcade(Fun). That is the reason why FM or NFS or F12010 .... will never be a choice for me .

I take it you're not playing GT5 either, then, because that is no full-blown simulation, either. You're playing PC sims exclusively, I guess?

But i think that the guys who are playing FM or games like that will be very happy about FM4 ( ps: 10 cars per month with DLC -> the cars will not be very good and for me this would be a big **** , i want a finished game and not a half game , at the end i would pay some 100 euros for this game lol ,

I won't even comment on 'half finished games'. Way too easy. And with 500 cars, even without the DLC, Forza 4 already offers more fully modeled cars (with an interior) than any other game, so, well, if you don't wawnt to pay for the cars... Don't?

FM3 has sold 3M copies maybe They want to get more money with the DLC's (microsoft style) to close the difference of 5M copies ? because gt5 Sold 8M copies in the first months )

So much BS in here. GT5 sold 6.3 million copies in total. Forza 3 sold roughly 5 million copies. You can look it up on Wikipedia, if you want to. In fact, I'd recommend you to do this before postin rubbish next time.
And, by the way: That's 5 million copies after two years in development for Forza 3 compared to 6.3 million copies for GT5 after five years of development.

Individually, yeah, GT is outselling Forza. If you take sales per time for the whole franchise into consideration, not so much.

I just wanted to see discussion about the game and things in TCs post. All this bashing from GT fans is annoying.

And here I was praising GTPlanet for not being that invested with fanboys just yesterday.

One thing we can count on is that the game will be released on time without massive delays!!

Pretty much 👍

Do you think Forza will have horns ?

Dang, never thought of that. Now, that's a big omission right there!

King of racers,nah.

Reasons:

>FM4 is an incomplete game comparing it to GT5,ISR and maybe the original TOCA series,the lack of diferent racing enviroments and situations makes it incomplete.

I would've partially agreed with your post, because you're actually right, FM4 won't be as much of a sim as some of the PC simss out there. that's almost a given. But then you go and mention GT5, which is just simcade itself and the epitome of unfinished games.
By the way, I really don't think a mix of standard and premium cars, covered in blocky shadows look that good, but that's just me.
Sorry, but I can't take aynone seriously who's talking about GT5 as either a hardcore sim or a finished game.

Rally tracks,F1,Karts,Day-Night Racing,weather

I mean features,not content

Where are GT5's leaderboards, when talking about features? Different online modes, like tag, cat and mouse and so on? Autocross? Rival mode? Autovista? Livery editor?

Now,Put bloody GT5 aside and elaborate please,alright if you want to hear it then yes GT5<FM4 ,now can you please elaborate over the other games that I just mention:

>IRacing 2.0
>Rfactor
>F1 2010/F1 20111
>Dirt 3
>TOCA,although outdated
>GTR evolution

Aprat from the fact that weather is present in F1,day night racing is present in Shift 2.

Let me ask you one thing: What does 'complete' mean to you? Most features crammed into a single game? Being able to be modded? I don't get it. If we're taking all of it into consideration (contend, graphics, sounds, features, physics, community and so on) Forza is pretty much damn near the top of the pile if it comes to 'complete' racing games, at least the way I see it. It hoses basically aanything in terms of features alone, FM3 wasn't suprassed by many games on consoles in terms of physics and FM4 looks spectacular, so what more does a game need?

Oh, and by the way, FM4 will feature racing at different times of day, by the way.

Hell, why are you even draggong PC games into this? Just to make a console racer look bad?

Well, there's a saying in German that goes a little bit like this: "Hate and envy are the purest forms of acknowledgment."

 

[t.o.]

And what us wrong with my horn question I ask?

Dang, never thought of that. Now, that's a big omission right there!

To be honest I think flashing headlights should come before horns. Isn't that really the means of getting a driver's attention in races anyway?

 

[cuco33]

Do you think Forza will have horns ?

I seriously hope not. It's sad that I have more horn options than brake options in GT5 and I never changed the horns on any of the cars in my GT garage. I only use the horn button when I accidentally hit the button for it.

 

[JJ72]

To be honest I think flashing headlights should come before horns. Isn't that really the means of getting a driver's attention in races anyway?

No, that would be pumping your fist, giving the finger, spin that mother****er around and then radio the guys in the pits to file a protest.

 

[t.o.]

No, that would be pumping your fist, giving the finger, spin that mother****er around and then radio the guys in the pits to file a protest.

Oh you mean online play?

 

[Luminis]

To be honest I think flashing headlights should come before horns. Isn't that really the means of getting a driver's attention in races anyway?

I should've put a sarcasm smiley, I think
And I highly doubt Spagetti69 was being serious, too.

 

[McLaren]

>FM4 is an incomplete game comparing it to GT5,ISR and maybe the original TOCA series,the lack of diferent racing enviroments and situations makes it incomplete.

The game hasn't even been released. You do not know what it does & does not have.

>PC racing games,by matter of fact FM4 cannot be moded,as a result the new content will based on 3D tools and artist availble at Turn10 studios,they are good and their tools are good but there are a lot of talented people that uses better tools and creates better models for PC(look at Gt2's mods),apart from that engine tweaks,higher uses of AA and other PC graphics tweaks will produce better particle effects,better physics dynamics and better track and cars models.

This is a terrible argument. You can not blame the developers for their lack of creating content other people chose to make. Many of the times, people create content that the developers can't due to licensing.

Much of user-created content is also rubbish.

Having said that,I think that mods should put an end to this before it becomes another FM vs GT thread(which inevitable will become after a couple of days),I know that is not the author's intention but these threads usually tends to those areas.

They should put an end to it by keeping you from posting in these threads.

Rally tracks,F1,Karts,Day-Night Racing,weather

I mean features,not content

So, auction house, painting, dawn-dusk night racing, etc., then for FM4.

Go away with your double standards. 👎

 

[Spagetti69]

I can't get bloody smillies on my iPhone. Bah.

How are you guys taking Akira seriously, I mean dirt 3 really.

Oh, oil changes?

 

[Jump_Ace]

I picked up FM3 yesterday and started messing with that. It doesn't compare to GT5 (at least because I'm using a controller and a wheel is more fun!) But GT5 has just wayyy to many drawbacks and has fallen short imo. So I'm hoping to be amazed at FM4 and hopefully I'll get the new Fanatec wheel too. But from what I saw at E3, this is a real contender 👍

Jerome

 

[Luminis]

I can't get bloody smillies on my iPhone. Bah.

How are you guys taking Akira seriously, I mean dirt 3 really.

I specifically said I don't

Oh, oil changes?

I think they've got that one covered... It's prbably changed every time your car is fixed up after the race. Oil flatrate, anyone?

I picked up FM3 yesterday and started messing with that. It doesn't compare to GT5 (at least because I'm using a controller and a wheel is more fun!) But GT5 has just wayyy to many drawbacks and has fallen short imo. So I'm hoping to be amazed at FM4 and hopefully I'll get the new Fanatec wheel too. But from what I saw at E3, this is a real contender 👍

Jerome

Sadly, i think FM3 is past its prime... The communnity stuff really made the game come into itself, and that is pretty much gone now. Anyways, congrats on your purchase, you'll at least be able to prepare a little garage to get a headstart in FM 4 👍

 

[Spagetti69]

People wanting to get s wheel for forza may want to order ASAP.

18 weeks to release. Even if ordered now you may not get it.