The war on ISIS.

[F1jocker12]

You should stop taking an antagonistic role towards everyone you talk to. Pretty sure now 4 moderators have taken a bit of an issue with your posting habits.

Off topic -
Moderators are people too, and nobody is perfect.
A difference of opinion doesn't entitle anybody to try to bully around community members. That is dangerous for the community and for the website, because anybody can now call anybody "silly goose" or anything else of the same sort with no problem here. Moderators do it, right? Once you lower that standard of respect within the community (defined by the AUP), your idea of a community is over.
A discussion forum is meant to exchange opinions, not to try to interrogate, insult or intimidate others. If you have a different opinion, post it...
If you show me one offensive word I've written here (to you or to anybody else), I'll say you are correct about my "posting habits". I am affraid the truth is quite different though...and you know it.

If I show an antagonistic role here, is against any sort of abuse. From the state level to the individual level.

 

[squadops]

It is interesting how nobody can explain how the exploding truck is an ISIS suicide bomber truck... I am sorry to tell all of you that you are the ones deflecting, my friends... I've only asked for decent logic... rethorically, of course...

Asked for decent logic, rhetorically. What are you talking about? You don't want an answer to the question obviously, so it's assumed you are trying to make a point. What is this point?

It must be a false flag because ISIS isn't really so bad, they need to be framed so everyone stays angry at them. No, it's just that everyone is a blind sheep being led down the wrong path, in this case the truth is irrelevant as it's only important to shame the observer. A closer look will show how missiles and fortified vehicles are being supplied by Israel.

Common dude, please tell us why it's so important to question the video.

 

[F1jocker12]

Asked for decent logic, rhetorically. What are you talking about? You don't want an answer to the question obviously, so it's assumed you are trying to make a point. What is this point?

It must be a false flag because ISIS isn't really so bad, they need to be framed so everyone stays angry at them. No, it's just that everyone is a blind sheep being led down the wrong path, in this case the truth is irrelevant as it's only important to shame the observer. A closer look will show how missiles and fortified vehicles are being supplied by Israel.

Common dude, please tell us why it's so important to question the video.

It is not questioning the video, which is the images in the given 16:9 frame, is

video title and media description of the moving objects and ambient sounds from the presented consecutive video frames, doesn't match common sense and ordinary logic.

It is even possible that “a major explosive device detonated early, taking a passing car with it, which then exploded due to the fuel in its tank,” although the Kurds were fairly confident their footage shows an ISIS bomber kissing the sky.

http://www.breitbart.com/national-s...de-bomber-blown-sky-high-by-kurdish-fighters/

Neither explanation seems credible, given the force of the explosion, which is of a size normally detonated by a major booby-trap of the sort often used by the jihadists themselves.
It is possible that a major explosive device detonated early, taking a passing car with it, which then exploded due to the fuel in its tank.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...ide-bombers-car-explodes-mid-air-in-Iraq.html

My point? There is no proof that was an ISIS suicide bomber truck.

Off topic... can you @squadops do us a favor and cut the "dude"...

 

[squadops]

There's no particular reason to question, or lie about it either. I don't understand why you've made such a big deal over this particular news.

 

[F1jocker12]

There's no particular reason to question, or lie about it either. I don't understand why you've made such a big deal over this particular news.

I've only expressed my doubts about certain details... The big deal was started by GTP members that thought I apologise for something or deny something... If that is not an ISIS suicide bomber truck, then it shows how people like to bite into misleading and how easy is to feed them with propaganda.
The reason to lie about it, from the Kurdish point of view, is if you know those cars are driven by civilians, because that means you are no better then your opponent. You only use a different way to do it, and if discovered, call it accident or collateral damage. Incidently you are serving big guys interests.
Killing ISIS will make you a hero, killing civilians will make you a criminal.
I am not saying fighting ISIS is not good.... It is perfect! But if you kill civilians in the process makes your method very questionable. Don't you think?

 

[Dennisch]

But if you kill civilians in the process makes your method very questionable.

Collateral damage. Happens in every war.

 

[F1jocker12]

Collateral damage. Happens in every war.

Sadly yes... But in this case will be caused by negligence They knew about the IED, pointed the camera towards that location, waited, booom, and tried to sale it as ISIS suicide bomber truck stopped... I do not want to speculate too much, because there is no indication it was a civilian truck either...

 

[mister dog]

I wonder why there's always pages and pages of folk going against each other in the rumble strip and opinion and current events sections. Happens far more there than in the video game sections of GTP.

In any case, @F1jocker12 lay off the conspiracy theories please, sometimes stuff happens behind the scenes to manipulate the masses but that doesn't mean that it happens all the time. Admit it was nice seeing the ISIS firework display and let's move on shall we.

 

[squadops]

It took all of that just to pull "they are killing civilians"?

Oh dear, so a civilian car with no military or terrorist affiliates inside goes barreling towards an armed checkpoint in a war zone out of the blue, and blows up.

 

[Dennisch]

Sadly yes... But in this case will be caused by negligence They knew about the IED, pointed the camera towards that location, waited, booom, and tried to sale it as ISIS suicide bomber truck stopped... I do not want to speculate too much, because there is no indication it was a civilian truck either...

So, first your hypothesis is the only thing possible, and then you don't want to speculate.

What if it was a suicide bomber shot up by Kurdish fighters? Or doesn't that fit into your list of possibilities?

 

[F1jocker12]

So, first your hypothesis is the only thing possible, and then you don't want to speculate.

What if it was a suicide bomber shot up by Kurdish fighters? Or doesn't that fit into your list of possibilities?

hahahaha....
I never said "my hypothesis" is the only thing possible... Speculation is counterproductive... All we can do is wait for more info when/if is going to be investigated... Those things happened anyway, and we cannot change anything... This is my question all the way - How do you know it was a suicide bomber? It is no way to identify that. Only because a truck explodes from hitting a land mine? Is that what your logic is telling you?

It took all of that just to pull "they are killing civilians"?

I just mentioned how

there is no indication it was a civilian truck either...

car with no military or terrorist affiliates inside goes barreling towards an armed checkpoint in a war zone out of the blue, and blows up.

What armed checkpoint? Do you see any in the video?

@mister dog

Spectacular explosions though, but we have no clue what are they blowing up out there on those fields...

We are drawing olympic circles here....

 

[Dennisch]

How do you know it was a suicide bomber? It is no way to identify that. Only because a truck explodes from hitting a land mine? Is that what your logic is telling you?

What if

Try to understand the words you're reading.

 

[squadops]

What armed checkpoint? Do you see any in the video?

I read it in one of your links, but if you think about it, The Kurds control all or most of Kirkuk and if the vehicle was headed towards Kirkuk...

...the footage was taken on April 12, south of Kirkuk in Iraq, and involved the Islamic State’s attempt to take out a Kurdish checkpoint with a truck bomb.

Do you actually think the vehicle was simple civilians just taking a Sunday drive? No we don't know, no we will never know, sometimes you have to go with a logical conclusion.

 

[F1jocker12]

What if

takes you to the Twilight Zone.

you have to go with a logical conclusion.

and the (only) logical conclusion is the driver was an ISIS suicide bomber?

 

[Dennisch]

and the (only) logical conclusion is the driver was an ISIS suicide bomber?

Given the situation, which you fail to understand, yes.

 

[F1jocker12]

Given the situation, which you fail to understand, yes.

You are entitled to an opinion, like anybody else here... My rethoricall question will be for you to figure for yourself, what evidence you see in the video to support your conclusion. I do (Edit - sorry) NOT want to argue over it, I just don't see the evidence. I am not that easy with myself when it comes to evidence.... That's all...

 

[Dennisch]

It's about logical thinking, and the given circumstances.

 

[F1jocker12]

It's about logical thinking, and the given circumstances.

Let me give you an example of reported story that translates into trouble today:

The saga goes back to December 2012, when Engel and five members of his reporting team were abducted by armed gunmen in Syria. After they were released, Engel reported that the kidnappers were Shiite militiamen loyal to the embattled government of President Basher Assad. That, Engel says, is how the gunmen identified themselves.

But recently The New York Times began digging into the episode and concluded that, quite to the contrary, Engel and his crew were "almost certainly taken by a Sunni criminal element affiliated with the Free Syrian Army, the loose alliance of rebels opposed to Mr. Assad."

The kidnappers, it turns out, had been Sunnis — not Shiites linked to the government — who had put on an elaborate ruse to disguise their identity. And the group that "rescued" Engel & Co. were linked to the group that had staged the abduction.

EDIT

That means — if the Times' account is true, and there seems no reason to doubt it — that NBC allowed Engel to go on the air and repeatedly assert that the forces of Assad had done the deed, when its execs knew full well that didn't seem to be the case.

That's simply inexcusable.

from http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/columnist/rieder/2015/04/16/nbc-engel-kidnapping/25878771/

and New York Times story here
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/16/b...nt-of-correspondents-kidnapping-in-syria.html

This is how a story turns upside down in an instant if properly investigated...

Edit - and why are they staging stuff like that? (sometimes truck videos!?!?!?!?!)...

the safe release of NBC’s team was staged after consultation with rebel leaders when it became clear that holding them might imperil the rebel efforts to court Western support.

 

[Omnis]

I've only expressed my doubts about certain details... The big deal was started by GTP members that thought I apologise for something or deny something... If that is not an ISIS suicide bomber truck, then it shows how people like to bite into misleading and how easy is to feed them with propaganda.
The reason to lie about it, from the Kurdish point of view, is if you know those cars are driven by civilians, because that means you are no better then your opponent. You only use a different way to do it, and if discovered, call it accident or collateral damage. Incidently you are serving big guys interests.
Killing ISIS will make you a hero, killing civilians will make you a criminal.
I am not saying fighting ISIS is not good.... It is perfect! But if you kill civilians in the process makes your method very questionable. Don't you think?

You should stop abusing ellipses (...) and take some time to better organize your thoughts into sentences. This stream of consciousness posting style of yours is not helping you.

That said, I see what you're saying now. However, you're just pointing out an observation without doing anything to advance a claim. You can induce that it was an ISIS suicide bomber based on the enormous, disproportionate explosion that launched the truck into the sky where it blew up. Alternatively, you may induce that the kurds blew up a civilian to make it look like they killed an ISIS bomber for propaganda purposes. That's a huge stretch though. Your whole argument has done nothing to make anyone buy into this Kurdish conspiracy theory. All you are doing is saying that killed civilians can be painted over with the ISIS brush. While that is true, it says nothing for the Kurds killing civilians.

That said, all vehicles traversing a battle zone, and especially advancing on a fortification or outwork, are threats that are fair game to engage and destroy.

 

[F1jocker12]

you may induce that the kurds blew up a civilian to make it look like they killed an ISIS bomber for propaganda purposes.

I've stated how...

I do not want to speculate too much, because there is no indication it was a civilian truck either...

If you read my position from the post where the link was posted, you will understand how I've expressed doubts about certain details. The second video (the one I've posted) was an example of handling cameras in a different coordinated manner, to show the beggining of an attack, the attack and the end of it, against a moving target.

A comment is not an essay.

I see what you're saying now

because you probably took the time to read my posts and process the whole picture... which some of the comentators simply ignore... There are readers tough, choosing to stay quiet because they are capable to fill in the puzzle much faster than others...

 

[F1jocker12]

What is and where is ISIS coming from?
Der Spiegel reveals ISIS main strategist secret files to show the structure of Islamic State.

In a sense, the documents are the source code of the most successful terrorist army in recent history.

His name was Samir Abd Muhammad al-Khlifawi

The former colonel in the intelligence service of Saddam Hussein's air defense force had been secretly pulling the strings at IS for years. Former members of the group had repeatedly mentioned him as one of its leading figures. Still, it was never clear what exactly his role was.

Paul Bremer messed it up in the first place, when he dismantled the entire Iraqi army.

when Paul Bremer, then head of the US occupational authority in Baghdad, "dissolved the army by decree in May 2003, he [Samir] was bitter and unemployed."

Thousands of well-trained Sunni officers were robbed of their livelihood with the stroke of a pen. In doing so, America created its most bitter and intelligent enemies. Bakr went underground and met Abu Musab al-Zarqawi in Anbar Province in western Iraq. Zarqawi, a Jordanian by birth, had previously run a training camp for international terrorist pilgrims in Afghanistan.

The US Army had the Strategist in Abu Ghraib

Bakr gradually became one of the military leaders in Iraq, and he was held from 2006 to 2008 in the US military's Camp Bucca and Abu Ghraib Prison. He survived the waves of arrests and killings by American and Iraqi special units, which threatened the very existence of the IS precursor organization in 2010, Islamic State in Iraq.

but he got killed like a nobody

When the men later learned who they had killed, they searched the house, gathering up computers, passports, mobile phone SIM cards, a GPS device and, most importantly, papers. They didn't find a Koran anywhere.

And when they learned about his strategy

For the first time, the Haji Bakr documents now make it possible to reach conclusions on how the IS leadership is organized and what role former officials in the government of ex-dictator Saddam Hussein play in it.

they've understood it was not about faith.

It was not a manifesto of faith, but a technically precise plan for an "Islamic Intelligence State" -- a caliphate run by an organization that resembled East Germany's notorious Stasi domestic intelligence agency.

As a postscript, he had added that several "brothers" would be selected in each town to marry the daughters of the most influential families, in order to "ensure penetration of these families without their knowledge."

From the very beginning, the plan was to have the intelligence services operate in parallel, even at the provincial level. A general intelligence department reported to the "security emir" for a region, who was in charge of deputy-emirs for individual districts. A head of secret spy cells and an "intelligence service and information manager" for the district reported to each of these deputy-emirs. The spy cells at the local level reported to the district emir's deputy. The goal was to have everyone keeping an eye on everyone else.

IS has little in common with predecessors like al-Qaida aside from its jihadist label. There is essentially nothing religious in its actions, its strategic planning, its unscrupulous changing of alliances and its precisely implemented propaganda narratives. Faith, even in its most extreme form, is just one of many means to an end. Islamic State's only constant maxim is the expansion of power at any price.

How did ISIS became religious?

In 2010, Bakr and a small group of former Iraqi intelligence officers made Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, the emir and later "caliph," the official leader of the Islamic State. They reasoned that Baghdadi, an educated cleric, would give the group a religious face.

The secret of IS' success lies in the combination of opposites, the fanatical beliefs of one group and the strategic calculations of the other.

What was confusing about it?

The men always appeared wearing black masks, which not only made them look terrifying, but also meant that no one could know how many of them there actually were. When groups of 200 fighters appeared in five different places one after the other, did it mean that IS had 1,000 people? Or 500?

And again, war in the Middle East prooves to be a very strange "animal"

Nothing symbolizes the tactical shifting of alliances more than the fate of the Syrian army's Division 17. The isolated base near Raqqa had been under rebel siege for more than a year. But then, IS units defeated the rebels there and Assad's air force was once again able to use the base for supply flights without fear of attack.But a half year later, after IS conquered Mosul and took control of a gigantic weapons depot there, the jihadists felt powerful enough to attack their erstwhile helpers. IS fighters overran Division 17 and slaughtered the soldiers, whom they had only recently protected.

The main danger?

As the West's attention is primarily focused on the possibility of terrorist attacks, a different scenario has been underestimated: the approaching intra-Muslim war between Shiites and Sunnis. Such a conflict would allow IS to graduate from being a hated terror organization to a central power.

From
The Terror Strategist: Secret Files Reveal the Structure of Islamic State

 

[KSaiyu]

I am not that easy with myself when it comes to evidence.... That's all...

* Sorry had to do a cartman laugh there.

The guy who pulls out random conspiracy websites as sources is not easy with evidence.

I'm starting to think you're a professional troll sent by ISIS - I hear they're big on social media nowadays.

 

[F1jocker12]

* Sorry had to do a cartman laugh there.

The guy who pulls out random conspiracy websites as sources is not easy with evidence.

I'm starting to think you're a professional troll sent by ISIS - I hear they're big on social media nowadays.

off topic - I'm afraid you have the heart but you don't have the mind. And you are constantly tired while browsing on GTP.
ISIS on GTP? And I am the one to "see conspiracies"? What if I'm Napoleon Bonaparte? Or Elvis?

 

[Omnis]

That article from der spiegel was pretty interesting. Potentially conspiratoid, but interesting nonetheless.

 

[KSaiyu]

off topic - I'm afraid you have the heart but you don't have the mind. And you are constantly tired while browsing on GTP.
ISIS on GTP? And I am the one to "see conspiracies"? What if I'm Napoleon Bonaparte? Or Elvis?

I like you. Don't go anytime soon m'kay?

 

[A2K78]

I think ISIS/ISIL is blessing in disguise. Why? For one thing with the presidential elections/debates coming up we're finally going to face the reality that groups such as ISIS and Al Qaeda are a product of foreign intervention in the middle east of the west, not mention the blind support for Israel. Secondly ISIS dismiss the argument that terrorist/jihadist are social outcast e.g. these are people lacking in social mobility when in reality we see the vast majority of Al Qaeda and ISIS followers coming out of secular countries not to mention these individual come from highly educated backgrounds.

speaking of its nice knowing that people are coming to realization that secular countries are primary breeding ground for terrorist:

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/oct/13/tunisia-breeding-ground-islamic-state-fighters

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/james-foley/why-britain-breeding-ground-isis-terrorists-n185951

 

[KSaiyu]

I think ISIS/ISIL is blessing in disguise. Why? For one thing with the presidential elections/debates coming up we're finally going to face the reality that groups such as ISIS and Al Qaeda are a product of foreign intervention in the middle east of the west, not mention the blind support for Israel

Explain Al-Shabaab then.

 

[TenEightyOne]

I think ISIS/ISIL is blessing in disguise. Why? For one thing with the presidential elections/debates coming up we're finally going to face the reality that groups such as ISIS and Al Qaeda are a product of foreign intervention in the middle east of the west, not mention the blind support for Israel.

Explain Al-Shabaab then.

Pretty much what @A2K78 said. The TGF was a product of US intervention in Somalia (probably more rightly than wrongly). The Union of Isla'amic Courts (begetter of Al Shaba'ab) was a specific union of opposition to TGF.

 

[KSaiyu]

Pretty much what @A2K78 said. The TGF was a product of US intervention in Somalia (probably more rightly than wrongly). The Union of Isla'amic Courts (begetter of Al Shaba'ab) was a specific union of opposition to TGF.

Boko Haram. That was....that was us too right.

Damn our past! We've brought this on ourselves!

Hezbollah? Oh wait, they're blaming the Saudis..

The Iranians meanwhile are saying we made them up because we're all secret Zionists.

 

[A2K78]

Boko Haram, Al-Shabaab, ansar al sharia....it all goes back to the same place....america's boneheaded/stupid foreign policy in the middle east and africa. To things in prespective, its America thats doing the radicalizing, not the radical imams the media like so much to blame.