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It's saddening that so many innocent people are affected.
The war on ISIS.
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It shouldn't have expanded so quickly, fault of everyone standing at the sidelines whilst this cancer grew.
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And we all scoffed at Qatar's claim that football has united the Middle East ...
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Well, at least anime is not haram in the Islamic State.I just can't believe that itasha truck is real. I wonder when they're going to realise that there's an uncensored teenage girl on the side of it?
Or course I know. But apart from being supported by the US, that so-called Free Syrian Army is not much different from ISIS, al-Nusra and many other insurgent groups fighting not only Assad, but each other as well (well, except for the Kurd militia). A high-ranked Pentagon officer (Gen. Austin) has stated that of 60 US-trained Syrian rebels, only "four or five" men are still fighting, the rest probably were killed or have joined ISIS. And even McCain admits that the US actions in Syria were a failure.
Domination on the Middle East is not worth nuclear annihilation. Relax.
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Bit embarrassing that Obama criticizes Russian strikes are encouraging support for IS, and the same evening the US bombs a hospital in Kunduz.
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True, although there is a difference between a mistake and a policy.
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Tell that to those on the receiving end of the bombs!
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Lol, "mistake".
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Bombing a group of armed thugs under a banner different from ISIS is even worse than mistakenly bombing a hospital, I suppose.
If the reports about strikes outside the ISIS territory are true, it seems that Russian pilots attack accordingly to the Escobar axiom*.
* Escobar axiom - a meme of the Russian Internet, roughly meaning - "same bull****". In this case - ISIS and the "moderate rebels".
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BTW, besides that itasha guntruck (hehe), there's an interesting story of another "jihadmobile" operated by the islamists.
That feeling when you didn't care of removing your advert from your Ford F-250 before selling it...
http://overpassesforamerica.com/?p=3016
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MSF informed (they say) the Americans of the location of the hospital. The Americans bombed the location nonetheless. Are you saying it was deliberate rather than mistaken?
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No , just a mistake...
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Just disturbs me how the Americans always want to claim the upper hand morally for their military actions. Russia might be perceived as the 'bad guys' now because they also engage the rebels, but we wouldn't be in this conflict if the US didn't invade Iraq in the first place (without UN consent).
And America's policy of arming groups to do the fighting for them isn't the brightest neither. They even armed Osama back in the day. Who's to say the Syrian rebels won't turn against them too once they are armed and trained.
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The Kurds will also spark some madness, most likely in Turkey. Mark my words.
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BOOM BADA BOOM BOOM! My favourite TV show now.
Four ISIS command posts are destroyed by laser-guided bombs.
Airstrikes on the islamists' munition depots:
Four ISIS command posts are destroyed by laser-guided bombs.
Airstrikes on the islamists' munition depots:
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I don't think the Russian's are even dropping guided munitions, and some of those videos support that. There's a thought that perhaps the Russian's don't care for collateral, and are happy dropping cheap, dumb bombs on second hard F-150s. You have to say, it makes some sense when the west are firing £50,000 missiles at $500 trucks...
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Are you sure?
This is a Kh-25ML laser-guided air-to-ground missile on Latakia airbase.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kh-25
Don't you think that a cheap freefall bomb wouldn't be recorded while being guided from a UAV?
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So, what were you trying to do/incite here? Did a general attitude of mistrust presuppose something you then realised you couldn't substantiate, so you backed out? Or did you genuinely think that the mistake was funny? That's either a dangerous game to play, or evidence of one sick mind in my view - but I'll let you explain before getting too carried away.
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Not trying to start a fight here, but if Russia's overall goal is to crush the civil war that created ISIS in the first place and keep Assad in power, wouldn't bombing US backed rebels be objective number one before starting the real crusade?
Not that I agree much with Russia's official policies up to this point (especially on how Putin is handling Ukraine, but that is another thread), but I do agree with the need to have strongman dictators throughout the Middle East that will keep extremism in check. When Mubarak fell in Egypt, there was a political vacuum that needed to be filled in that country. Unfortunately, that vacuum was nearly filled with another terrorist organization, the Muslim Brotherhood. Thankfully Egypt's army had enough sense to arrest them before they did too much damage to the country.
When, or even if, Assad leaves power, it will create another power vacuum, especially along the largely disputed Golan Heights. At that point, Israel would be fighting a three front war to secure their borders.
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Sorry for the double post, but this is just breaking:
Khaled al-Asaad, a museum director in the Syrian city of Palmyra, was recently beheaded in this past August by ISIS for refusing to give up the city's treasures to the terror group.
It appears that his sacrifice was in vain as a couple of hours ago, it was confirmed through Syria's antiquities chief that the main arch that is the mainstay in the former Roman city was destroyed by ISIS.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...hal-arch-in-ancient-syrian-city-a6679526.html
Khaled al-Asaad, a museum director in the Syrian city of Palmyra, was recently beheaded in this past August by ISIS for refusing to give up the city's treasures to the terror group.
It appears that his sacrifice was in vain as a couple of hours ago, it was confirmed through Syria's antiquities chief that the main arch that is the mainstay in the former Roman city was destroyed by ISIS.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...hal-arch-in-ancient-syrian-city-a6679526.html
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Well using these videos as an example:
Yes.
And it's entirely normal to maintain visual on a target so that you can complete a damage report and move onto the next.
Seeing a Russian jet being loaded with a guided missile doesn't necessarily address those thoughts, but it's great for their propaganda!
Well using these videos as an example:
Yes.
And it's entirely normal to maintain visual on a target so that you can complete a damage report and move onto the next.
Seeing a Russian jet being loaded with a guided missile doesn't necessarily address those thoughts, but it's great for their propaganda!
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Donald Trump is a realist.
He says the Middle East would be more stable today if Saddam and Gadhafi were still in power.
He wants to stand back and watch whatever Putin wants to do in Syria.
He also confirms he will pull out of the race if he sees himself falling in the polls.
http://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/video/donald-trumps-view-of-the-middle-east-538217027897
He says the Middle East would be more stable today if Saddam and Gadhafi were still in power.
He wants to stand back and watch whatever Putin wants to do in Syria.
He also confirms he will pull out of the race if he sees himself falling in the polls.
http://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/video/donald-trumps-view-of-the-middle-east-538217027897
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Or maybe I got tired of explaining myself to people who want to stick a label of moderate to any jihadi rebel who isn't part of Isis or al nusra? Maybe I'm just tired of people yelling " murder" any time a non western ally makes a mistake but make up excuses when the "good guys" do it. Millions have died in the middle east but it's ok because it was just a mistake.. so much hypocrisy.
Standing back and watching what Putin Will do won't get you much support from the MIC and AIPAC. Exit Trump I guess..
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Don't worry, Russia bombs the moderate terrorists with moderate bombs only. (c)
Let's look at the map.
Russian aviation works for fire support of the Syrian Arab Army. As you can see here, the main forces of SAA are not yet close to the ISIS frontline. To approach ISIS and continue the liberation of the entire Syrian territory, they have to break through the areas held by the rebels (the US-backed Free Syrian Army is just a part of those, and not the biggest part), and RuAF are aiding their advance, attacking whoever trying to stop the SAA. Reportedly, the Syrian aviation is dropping leaflets suggesting the rebels to surrender, and informing civilians about the incoming advance in those areas.
If there really is such thing as moderate, peaceful opposition, they should start peace talks with President Assad, and for the time of these talks, mark themselves with some flares or smokes.
Besides keeping Assad's forces alive (and Syria existing on the world map), Russia has some other goals, one of them is to eliminate as many islamists with Russian passports (and other post-Soviet passports) as possible. Because if they return to Russia (or Tajikistan, Uzbekistan or other post-Soviet Central Asian states that are visa-free with Russia) with that battle experience they had in ISIS (or other islamist gangs), they'll be very dangerous.
From what I heard, what is believed to be a "cluster bomb exposion" is actually a destroyed underground bunker, and gases are coming out of the ventilation holes.
Unfortunately, our Ministry of Defence is good on the battlefield, but they suck at the informational warfare. They forget to explain what's happening on their videos to an average Internet user who doesn't know how air munitions work.
Jeeez...
Do you really think they brought these missiles just to show off for a camera?
May I ask you, please - what makes you think so? What does that stereotype - "Russians don't care for collateral damage" - come from?
Primary targets of the RuAF are not "$500 Toyota trucks". It's the strategical objects - command posts, fuel/ammo depots, explosives factories, etc. Some targets are large and can be hit with freefall bombs, some require more presicion and it's time for guided bombs (like KAB-500) or air-to-ground missiles to be used. And damage to the terrorists is quite worth the precious munition spent.
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Developments between Turkey/Russia/NATO are certainly becoming very worrying...
EDIT: Posted at the same time as RageRacer
If that altruistic intention is correct then perhaps the Russians could invent some way of flying troops/equipment over the anti-Assad rebels (who are also fighting ISIS, incidentally)?
EDIT: Posted at the same time as RageRacer
If that altruistic intention is correct then perhaps the Russians could invent some way of flying troops/equipment over the anti-Assad rebels (who are also fighting ISIS, incidentally)?
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You're "tired of...", so you poked the bear and ran away. Ok, answer given.
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Can't believe the US and Europe are acting like the queen of the prom here, and the media tries to portray the Russians as strictly bombing the free syrian rebels or what not. We should be grateful for the extra fire power.
We can resolve the Assad situation afterwards, let the Russians play around and have the internal conflict put on hold. Then after ISIS is wiped out the discussion can start on how to replace Assad.
Nr. 1 priority here people, i'm sure we'd all prefer ISIS and Al Qaeda been taken care off first, than to worry about Assad staying in power for now and all the political complications. He's gonna have to go anyway, i'm sure the Russians will agree on that and give him exile or something.
We can resolve the Assad situation afterwards, let the Russians play around and have the internal conflict put on hold. Then after ISIS is wiped out the discussion can start on how to replace Assad.
Nr. 1 priority here people, i'm sure we'd all prefer ISIS and Al Qaeda been taken care off first, than to worry about Assad staying in power for now and all the political complications. He's gonna have to go anyway, i'm sure the Russians will agree on that and give him exile or something.
