The war on ISIS.

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The Iranian government denies that there were Russian missile mishaps in Iran.

And apparently the Pentagon can't confirm CNN's 'news' .

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The US stops with training and arming the Syrian rebels. They see no improvement with the rebels, even after spending quite a bit of dollars.
 
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Dennisch
The Iranian government denies that there were Russian missile mishaps in Iran.

And apparently the Pentagon can't confirm CNN's 'news' .
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Ah, news agencies, when will they stop making fakes or in other situations at least warn that the information they provide is not confirmed. Makes it really hard to trust ANY news and any news agencies. I stopped believing the hot news as they are often debunked or not the same as shown.

Missiles fired, I believe that. Did they all found their targets or some of those 26 missiles failed, I don't know.
Iran can hide the information about the failed missiles as they are in contact with Russia and seeking help from them.
 
Considering Iran considers Russia an ally, if any missiles went down, it's bound to be accidental.

It's in the best interests of both nations to downplay any such events. Keep up the face of a perfect campaign. :D

It'll be interesting to see if Russia's bombardment works. Personally, better they do it. The radicals hate America already. Might as well spread the hate around.
 
niky
It'll be interesting to see if Russia's bombardment works. Personally, better they do it. The radicals hate America already. Might as well spread the hate around.
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And with Russia bombing all rebel groups, the less likely it gets for one of them to rise up as IS 2.0/Al Qaeda 3.0.
 
Dennisch
And with Russia bombing all rebel groups, the less likely it gets for one of them to rise up as IS 2.0/Al Qaeda 3.0.
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I don't think anyone is disputing that - rather, the point of difference is what Washingtonand Moscow consider to be valid targets.
 
prisonermonkeys
I don't think anyone is disputing that - rather, the point of difference is what Washingtonand Moscow consider to be valid targets.
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The US/Western strategy of supplying 'moderate' rebels barely ever has worked in the past, so Russia's strategy of bombing everyone but the current dictator should get a free pass.
 
Vegard
All this talk of 'moderate rebels'...

If you pick up arms and go to war against the government, you're hardly 'moderate', are you?
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It's a necessary distinction, and a fair one.

To suggest that the original pro-democracy demonstrators just decided to turn violently on the government is to thoroughly misunderstand and misrepresent the situation. The Assad regime - not unlike others in the region - deal with discontent by crushing it violently... in that scenario, it is perfectly justifiable to protect yourself and to resist, which is how the war started.

And there is a clear distinction between those who are defending themselves against an oppressive regime and those who are seeking to exploit the war for their own ends; as there is also a clear distinction between rebel groups who simply want to protect their freedoms and ways of life, as opposed to extremist groups who are only interested in religious and ethnic cleansing.
 
Touring Mars
And there is a clear distinction between those who are defending themselves against an oppressive regime and those who are seeking to exploit the war for their own ends; as there is also a clear distinction between rebel groups who simply want to protect their freedoms and ways of life, as opposed to extremist groups who are only interested in religious and ethnic cleansing.
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And which category would you put the US-backed 'moderate rebels' that have been bombed by Russian forces?
 
niky

It'll be interesting to see if Russia's bombardment works. Personally, better they do it. The radicals hate America already. Might as well spread the hate around.
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Like any aerial bombardment, it's only effective if supported by a ground offensive. Now whether Assad forces are competent enough, or Russian ground forces are involved is the real question. But even then, they will be up against an insurgency far, far worse than what's been seen in Iraq and Afghanistan before.
 
unit-one
I'm pretty sure I saw some of those pictures long time ago. What have you found suspicious?
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An Apache "being" operated in Hama province, where SAA and other loyalist forces started offensive under support of the Russian aviation. Neither Russia nor Syria uses Apaches AFAIK. :D
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unit-one
Yeah, no reports of any helicopters operating over there. At least I didn't hear anything.
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There are helicopters, the Crocodiles (Mi-24P), they may belong to Russia or Syria, but since the pilots demonstrate advanced techniques (flying as low as possible, so it's harder to guide a Stinger), they're more likely to be Russian.

 
Vegard
And which category would you put the US-backed 'moderate rebels' that have been bombed by Russian forces?
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That is a good question, but the fact is there does exist plenty of people who oppose Assad and ISIS/Islamic extremism. But just as much as dealing with the latter is a priority, it doesn't mean that dealing with the former is no longer a problem as well.
 
Touring Mars
To suggest that the original pro-democracy demonstrators just decided to turn violently on the government is to thoroughly misunderstand and misrepresent the situation..
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And to say that the government prosecutes and kills everyone who wouldn't vote for Assad is not correct, too.

Damascus (and Moscow) welcome any political opposition that would promote their ideas democratically. By democratically I mean to run a political party, follow a political program, take part in elections, but not fighting the government soldiers with weapons recieved from a democratic power. I don't say Assad is an innocent sheep, but he's not a complete idiot, either. He certainly knows that political opponents are much better than military ones.

What the rebels were trying to do by advancing southwest to the capital this summer doesn't look like "protecting their freedoms and ways of life". To me, it's more like heading for Damascus to seize power by force, which has NOTHING to do with democracy (unlike a certain democratic power would say).

Touring Mars
But just as much as dealing with the latter is a priority, it doesn't mean that dealing with the former is no longer a problem as well.
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It is funny to hear that "supporting Assad destabilizes Syria", like the war will suddenly stop once Assad is gone.
The government is opposed by many various gangs (e.g. Jabhat al-Nusra, Ahrar ash-Sham and very many others), and the common enemy is the only thing stopping them from fighting each other (and even this doesn't stop some of them).
 
ISIS executioner amputates a hand and a foot of a 14 year old boy. His crime? Fighting against ISIS (the article is unclear if they mean that the boy was fighting for the Kurds).

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2015/10/i...er-amputates-hand-and-foot-of-14-year-old-boy

EDIT: More News:

1. UK gives Gitmo inmate $1.5 million upon his release from the prison. Flees to ISIS:

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2015/10/u...-million-now-he-has-fled-to-the-islamic-state

2. Iran blames ISIS for the death of one of their generals near Aleppo. The general in question was serving as an adviser to defend the Assad regime.

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2015/10/iran-says-islamic-state-kills-iranian-general-near-aleppo
 
Dennisch
Depends. Are the Kurds fighting Assad?
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No? Are you saying Russia is only fighting the ones who harm Assad? And if so why is that a problem? If Russia backs Assad and Assad wants all terrorists gone then that helps us. The rebels we are supporting, we don't need them if Russia eliminates ISIL. America also pulled the plug on supporting the rebels.
 
Carlos
No? Are you saying Russia is only fighting the ones who harm Assad? And if so why is that a problem? If Russia backs Assad and Assad wants all terrorists gone then that helps us. The rebels we are supporting, we don't need them if Russia eliminates ISIL. America also pulled the plug on supporting the rebels.
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Russia is in Syria to defend Assad and his positions. And that most likely means bombing everyone else!

I said it before, the Western technique of arming 'moderate' rebels hardly ever worked out in the long run, so as far as I am concerned Russia can completely level Syria.
 
Carlos
Are the Russians bombing the Kurds, like Turkey does?
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Dennisch
Depends. Are the Kurds fighting Assad?
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No reports of any bombs or missiles fallen on the Kurds-controlled territory, but the Caliber-NK cruise missiles were flying over Kurdistan on their way to the islamist positions.


There is no reason why the Russian airspace force* would fight the Kurds, at least because they're not yet close to the govt forces.
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When they do meet, I think it would be best for both of them not to fight each other.

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* - "airspace force" is how it's called on our news - VKS RF - "Airspace Force of Russian Federation"
 
Breaking: Turkey shoots down Russian MIG-29 after the jet allegedly violated Turkish airspace. The fight over the use of Turkish airspace escalated last week when 3 Russian MIGs were escorted back to Syrian airspace by the Turkish air force and secret talks took place between Putin and the Turkish Prime Minister and President. The Turkish Prime Minister claimed Wednesday that there would be "no concessions if Russia continues to violate Turkish airspace."

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/reports-russian-jets-shot-down-in-turkey/article/2573848
 
Well, I can see **** go wrong very fast now.

It was good talking to you guys.

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No confirmation whatsoever yet on the downing. Nothing on Turkish news sites either.
 
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Sanji Himura
Breaking: Turkey shoots down Russian MIG-29 after the jet allegedly violated Turkish airspace. The fight over the use of Turkish airspace escalated last week when 3 Russian MIGs were escorted back to Syrian airspace by the Turkish air force and secret talks took place between Putin and the Turkish Prime Minister and President. The Turkish Prime Minister claimed Wednesday that there would be "no concessions if Russia continues to violate Turkish airspace."

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/reports-russian-jets-shot-down-in-turkey/article/2573848
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It's busted. ;)
Nothing like this is reported in Turkey.

Furthermore, Russia does not operate any MiGs in this area. The only fighters here are Su-30 and Su-34 (fighter-bomber).

Looks like another stupid "infobomb".
But certainly, these "news" will spread quickly in Ukrainian and "liberal" Russian media.
 
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Dotini
Near 100 killed and 200 injured in peace rally blasts at Turkish capital. Gov't has imposed temporary media blackout to "avoid panic".

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/oct/10/turkey-suicide-bomb-killed-in-ankara
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I wonder how Turkey will respond this time, after the last attack on the Kurds they didn't do squat.

And this happened on the same day that the PKK said that they'll put down their arms, until the elections. I guess that that isn't happening anymore.

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News on the hospital bombing in Kunduz.

The USA will pay for all damages, they will pay compensation money to the victims families and will pay for the of rebuild the hospital.

And of course the UN will try to seek those responsible for the mishap.
 
Rage Racer
It's busted. ;)
Nothing like this is reported in Turkey.

Furthermore, Russia does not operate any MiGs in this area. The only fighters here are Su-30 and Su-34 (fighter-bomber).

Looks like another stupid "infobomb".
But certainly, these "news" will spread quickly in Ukrainian and "liberal" Russian media.
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The source article did say that they were unconfirmed reports, even if I didn't go right out and say it. All you had to do was read it.
 

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