The war on ISIS.

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We are long overdue for a decent nation on nation war. The current insurgency squabbling has been fun but we need epic battles.

Iran vs Saudi Arabia.

Let's see how long the West can stay out of something like that!

Better nuke the whole continent then!

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Having been around since the late sixties, these are the most exciting times to live in. If only they were more fun. :(
Man, It's awesome to see army's killing each other and innocents civilian getting f:censored:'d up because of Race, Religion and politics. I mean who cares really? They aren't affecting us, they doesn't deserve to live in this universe. They all just some light brown-white scums living in the middle of the 🤬 sand in our planet.

We might as well say that World War 2 is the best fun we ever had, can't wait for the next world war...

:rolleyes:

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In all seriousness, if this war is happening then I might as well leave my home to live in a "safer" place far away from all the 🤬 happening in that region.

Thanks Assad
Thanks Daesh
Thanks Iran
Thanks Iraq
Thanks Yemen
Thanks Saudi Arabia
Thanks *insert every country been involved in this region since the last century*

Thank you all for making me live in s:censored: place to exist in.

Sorry if I went "offtopic".
 
That's a strongly constructed post, but I don't think our bad boys really intended to be taken seriously.
You mean the upper part of my post? That part is unrelated to the one below. I was saying that creatures people like daesh and others made me feel far from being safe.

Sorry for not being that clear and I'm sorry if I offended someone over here because I don't really want that.
 
News about Syria from Russian TV (First Channel)

134 cities are freed since the start of the operation.
19 cities are freed this year. (Woah!)

The attacker planes are doing tens (10+) of sorties a day.
This year in 10 days the jets made 311 sorties and attacked 1097 targets. (Been quite busy)
Terrorists are getting reinforcements from Turkey in Latakia region. (How convenient. You don't even need to fly too far.)
Najarah (?) and Ayashah was freed with a joint operation with Syrian gov-forces.
The bombings are conducted in Idlip, Aleppo, Rakka, Homs. They said that this is where ISIS is based. (So ISIS is now located in north-east... oh yeah, Turkey is sending in more fighters)
 
Then I guess sooner or later some bombs will accidentally falls on Erdogan's head.

Nah, America isn't being bombed for the Middle East adventures. Russia isn't being bombed for their border expanding adventures, so why should Turkey catch the bombs, apart from the occasional suicide lunatic?
 
Nah, America isn't being bombed for the Middle East adventures. Russia isn't being bombed for their border expanding adventures, so why should Turkey catch the bombs, apart from the occasional suicide lunatic?
You know why. Yes, Turkey have some decent Army and ass covered by Nato but can't really compete with Russia in firepower terms. If this war is going to last enough time to become an economic problem for Russia, an option would be to put an end to all these terrorist reinforcements, attacking the source.
I think we don't want any more Russian jets to be shot down.
This. But I don't think Erdogan is clever enough to share your wisdom.

The only thing to hope for is that all these fools won't cause Russia to use the nuke.
 
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More like, the Kurdish movement in Turkey will suddenly get armed with brand new T-90s and BTR-82s.
That's another option indeed.
But what I'm trying to say is: how much Russia can keep bombing before this war become expensive enugh to urge a resolution?
 
You know why. Yes, Turkey have some decent Army and ass covered by Nato but can't really compete with Russia in firepower terms. If this war is going to last enough time to become an economic problem for Russia, an option would be to put an end to all these terrorist reinforcements, attacking the source.

This will be really hard. Probably even harder than stop the reinforcements coming from Russia to Ukraine.
This. But I don't think Erdogan is clever enough to share your wisdom.
Putin should be clever enough not to fly/ drop bombs so close to the border. Or maybe that's his plan.
 
so why should Turkey catch the bombs, apart from the occasional suicide lunatic?
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http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35290760

Several dead in blast in central Istanbul Sultanahmet district

At least 10 people have been killed in an explosion in a district of Istanbul popular with tourists, the city authorities say.

The explosion occurred just after 10:00 local time (08:00 GMT) in the city's historic Sultanahmet district, close to the Blue Mosque.

Fifteen people were also wounded in the blast, the Istanbul Governor's Office said in a statement on its website.

Some reports suggest the explosion was caused by a suicide bomber.

Police have sealed off the area and the authorities are investigating the type of explosive used, the governor's office said.
 
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http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35290760

Several dead in blast in central Istanbul Sultanahmet district

At least 10 people have been killed in an explosion in a district of Istanbul popular with tourists, the city authorities say.

The explosion occurred just after 10:00 local time (08:00 GMT) in the city's historic Sultanahmet district, close to the Blue Mosque.

Fifteen people were also wounded in the blast, the Istanbul Governor's Office said in a statement on its website.

Some reports suggest the explosion was caused by a suicide bomber.

Police have sealed off the area and the authorities are investigating the type of explosive used, the governor's office said.

Hmm.

It looks like they are biting the hand that feeds them. All signs are pointing towards an IS suicidal moron.

9 of the 10 dead are supposed to be Germans.

Edit.

Spain and Portugal are seeing a increase in holiday travellers, Turkey, Tunisia and Egypt are seeing a massive decrease in tourism.
 
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http://edition.cnn.com/2016/01/12/middleeast/isis-child-soldiers/index.html

These guys are really going bonkers now, not that it wasn't done before, the problem is that they are actively promoting child suicide bombers.

Think about that for a moment, a child bomber, children should not be part of this, I understand it happens and ISIS have control several cities. The squabble of power and military participation from NATO (and at this point it should be the ****ing UN that should organize a joint operation) has become a joke now, the only capable force dealing with ISIS is just Russia, not to support them but they are trying to get rid of them at least in a constant basis.

Nazi Germany crimes were directly and promptly engaged by allies during WWII, responses were immediate, now we have a state (it has control of several cities, several peoples and large infrastructure, they are practically a country now) that is doing one of the most atrocious things in human history and they get a pass, millions of UN joint forces should be deployed on ISIS controlled territory to get rid of them as soon as possible.

And what happens if you let them, what happens when a 10 year old child blows up in the middle of Times Square, what do you do then? how do you deal with something like that? how would police (or law enforcements) deal with that kind of thing?
 
A Dutch former soldier has been arrested on charges of killing IS combatants.

The difference between him and the F16 pilots who are bombing the crap out of Iraq is that the pilots have been asked by the Iraqi government to come and kill people, and he went there on his own account.

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Yes. Brilliant piece of justice. Let's arrest someone who is fighting the fight the UN should be fighting.
 
A Dutch former soldier has been arrested on charges of killing IS combatants.

The difference between him and the F16 pilots who are bombing the crap out of Iraq is that the pilots have been asked by the Iraqi government to come and kill people, and he went there on his own account.

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Yes. Brilliant piece of justice. Let's arrest someone who is fighting the fight the UN should be fighting.
Seems logical. Kill our enemies outside of our jurisdiction and we will prosecute you (and persecute you too)!
 
Time to stage a revolution!

Incidentally, I am not sure if America holds the same rules on lone wolf hired killers.
 
Yes. Brilliant piece of justice. Let's arrest someone who is fighting the fight the UN should be fighting.
What kind of message does that send? "It's okay for a private citizen to fight against ISIL, but it's not okay for a private citizen to fight with ISIL." And how do you think that message is going to be interpreted by ISIL and their sympathisers? Poorly, for sure.

His intentions might have been good, but the road to hell is paved with the best intentions. Had he been allowed to go free, it would have had serious long-term consequences.
 
What kind of message does that send? "It's okay for a private citizen to fight against ISIL, but it's not okay for a private citizen to fight with ISIL." And how do you think that message is going to be interpreted by ISIL and their sympathisers? Poorly, for sure.

His intentions might have been good, but the road to hell is paved with the best intentions. Had he been allowed to go free, it would have had serious long-term consequences.

Sounds like a good message to send, I don't see how you have an issue with "Its ok to fight against terrorists who burn people alive, throw gay people off of buildings and use children as soldiers." I mean pretty much every major country in the world is already sending that message with airstrikes. That has to be one of the more ridiculous things you've said, it's practically saying "Can't fight the terrorists, they might think they're doing something wrong and be offended".
 
I don't see how you have an issue with "Its ok to fight against terrorists who burn people alive, throw gay people off of buildings and use children as soldiers."
I don't have an issue with fighting terrorists. I do have an issue with double standards.

Put it in a different context: a person kills a child in an act of cold-blooded murder. They themselves are then murdered by an angry citizen who feels that the law is inadequate. Why should that citizen be treated any differently? Sure, their victim was an evil person, and the original victim was an innocent child. But the crime is still the same. The same applies here - the terrorists are evil, but that doesn't justify a private citizen taking the law into their own hands and fighting them outside the rules of engagement.

There is an expression that "Caesar's wife must be above suspicion". It dates back to the Roman Empire when Caesar's wife Pompeia was caught up in a scandal. Caesar knew the implications of this and so could no longer associate with her because if she was perceived to be getting some kind of preferential treatment because of her position, it would undermine the entire Empire. In the case of ISIL, our own citizens must be above suspicion because if we treat our citizens differently, it undermines our own society and it plays into the hands of the terrorists. We're different from them because we have a system of due process; if we selectively apply it because we find it inconvenient otherwise or popular to do so, we undermine our own society.
 
Your analogy doesn't apply to this case, ISIS haven't just killed one person and then said, well, we're done now, they've carried on. A better analogy would be a civilian stepping in to kill someone in the middle of a murder spree, and then being arrested because they weren't a police officer. No one should be imprisoned for trying to defend innocent people who are incapable of defending themselves.
 
No one should be imprisoned for trying to defend innocent people who are incapable of defending themselves.
That's not the get out of jail free card that you want it to be. We are talking about a former soldier going into an active war zone. There are laws that govern conditions under which a country can take action in a war. By not prosecuting the man, the Netherlands would be recognising him as an active agent, and that could be interpreted as a declaration of war.
 
A Dutch former soldier has been arrested on charges of killing IS combatants.

The difference between him and the F16 pilots who are bombing the crap out of Iraq is that the pilots have been asked by the Iraqi government to come and kill people, and he went there on his own account.

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Yes. Brilliant piece of justice. Let's arrest someone who is fighting the fight the UN should be fighting.
They don't want we break their tax money investment, the truth is western governaments are playing war games with everybody's life.
 
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