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The war on ISIS.
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Okay.
Not that ISIS. He meant this one:
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Slightly more seriously and on topic: yesterday a British couple were convicted of planning a terrorist attack on the anniversary of the 7/7 bombings. Notable for the fact they actually documented their progress on twitter, including videos/images of test explosions, and asking for advice on the best target...........
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@TRGTspecialist, I'd presumed that when the story referred to Twitter the messages were DM rather than public... or did he actually publically ask for target suggestions? That would be incredible and almost funny...
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All the Twitter material mentioned in articles I've read refers to it all as tweets not messages/DMs, so I presume it was all public - probably not ISIS's greatest loss those two, really................
So this happened ...
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-35214536
And here I'm thinking that is more practical to stage a revolution in Saudi Arabia, rather than bomb ISIS. It is more effective to get rid of the root of the problem, rather than the tangential consequences of it.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-35214536
And here I'm thinking that is more practical to stage a revolution in Saudi Arabia, rather than bomb ISIS. It is more effective to get rid of the root of the problem, rather than the tangential consequences of it.
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And create a power vacuum? I'm sorry, but for all of their human rights abuses, the al-Saud family is really the only thing that is keeping ISIS from expanding any further. I mean that family is the guardians of the two holiest sites of Islam, and if they come out and publicly support ISIS, or worse are killed, then that action would have the support of every Sunni Muslim on the planet, and they will flock to ISIS controlled lands, giving them an army and a more stable base of operations in the Arabian Peninsula. That would then allow them to BLOCK any Shia access to Medina and Mecca.
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I too have pondered the salutary effects of regime change in Saudi Arabia. The pilgrimage to Mecca will require new management, but perhaps that is overdue. Another advantage would be to shut in Saudi oil production and rescue the US fracking industry with higher prices.
But before we stage an elective coup d'etat there, we may need to manage the civil war currently trying to break out in Turkey. Trouble, trouble, everywhere.
For what? for executing Nimr al-Nimr? You mean that guy who made me live in fear for months because of that 2011 uprising protests in Bahrain which they claim was just a "friendly protest" when they actually caused all the destruction and chaos. The reasons for schools, work buildings and even hospitals being shut down? The reasons for food supply's being so limited? The reasons for (non participles) citizens not being able to cross the roads because they blocked them with barricades & tyres? and then throw molotov's and burn down the whole places? The reasons for people being attacked for not being "shia's"? The reasons that why we don't feel save as much as before?
Thank god that UAE and Saudi Arabia actually stepped in or else my country will turn into Iraq, Yemen and Syria...in other words, i could be dead.
I'm not against Shia or Sunni... I'm just against who wants to ruin my home.
If Saudi Arabia went down then it could cause huge problems for the whole region. Imagine a war between Daesh and Iran and other country's while ignoring the dying civilians?
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Which is ironic considering that people get beheaded on the slightest sign of opposition against the royal family, the equivalent of that would be someone getting executed for protesting against the crown in the UK, utter nonsense.
So what do you prefer, internal civil war, or a full scale war?
http://edition.cnn.com/2016/01/03/middleeast/saudi-arabia-executes-dozens-terror/index.html
The Saudis are the ones purchasing the slave trade from ISIS as well as financing and supplying them. I agree that is a mess to have a power vacuum, but in reality who is exactly in control in Saudi Arabia? As far as I can tell they have the richest cities in the world as well as the greatest amount of slaves, besides of the government and cleric control in that country.
The whole point of having a mixed Shia/Sunni community in Saudi Arabia is to have a balanced representative control over the territory, killing a mayor Shia leader is a major problem considering that shia-led countries will feel threatened as their envoys and "people" get persecuted by another state sovereign government.
Besides, what will happen once there is a general population uprising? around 20% of the population in Saudi Arabia are immigrants, the others are national with very restricted civilian liberties (heck being an atheist is a legal offense against the crown), the repression is huge and is a problem because is a territory that due to religious reasons is unaccessible, which is a major problem because of the strategic position of the peninsula between Africa and Asia (regions who have increased their market share during the last few years). Women are not allowed to take formal education but they are "eligible" for public office (which is pretty stupid considering that you give power to someone with no education).
Saudi Government is the cause of several problems, not it's containment, they are basically like North Korea, but their trade with the US gives them a free card to have good rep overseas, which in itself is the cause of other major problems.
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Saudi Arabia severs diplomatic relations with Iran, expelling Iranian diplomats and recalling the diplomats that are in Tehran today. the Iranian diplomats have 48 hours to leave the kingdom.
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2016/01/03/saudi-arabia-says-its-severing-ties-with-iran/
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2016/01/03/saudi-arabia-says-its-severing-ties-with-iran/
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I have a horrible feeling they are doing it knowingly. I don't know why, but I just feel that there something far more sinister behind their front of 'establishing a caliphate'.
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You can find plenty of thugs, rapists, paedophiles and murderers in every other religion and culture.
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Not as concentrated in one organization though (or it would be a prison).
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Yes, ISIS are completely comparable to everyone else in the world.
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That's probably because we don't have a National Association for Thugs, Rapists, Paedophiles and Murderers.
Don't make the mistake of thinking that because these people are evil, their religion is evil. After all, there are millions of Muslims who are not thugs, rapists, paedophiles or murderers.
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IKR. Its ISIS religion.Thank you captain obvious!
With 'their' religion i wasn't saying Islam.
Basically they live in a delusional world where, when they finally conquer some cities in Syria, they can finally "guide whole moslems arround the world".
Even Al Qaeda find this laughably ridiculous.
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Their religion is evil, I think we've established that. Your mistake is in assuming that when someones says, "their religion", they are referring to Islam. In fact, even you referring to millions of Muslims that aren't thugs, rapists. etc. , you are mixing these terrorist thugs in with true Muslims for comparison, something that most Muslims and indeed most rational people, reject.
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In a thread about a terrorist organisation claiming to be acting on behalf of that religion. Where the posts in which someone refers to "their religion" get support - likes - from forum members known for their dislike of Islam.
Sorry if I didn't give the ISIL fighters the benefit of the doubt and assume that they were practicing a second, secret religion despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary.
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That was what I read from his post in the first place...that their actions and beliefs have morphed beyond even the most cynical perspective on Islam into something else entirely.
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Most of these things Isis practice is mentioned in the quran.
The difference is, moderate muslims say those verses are to be read in context, and radical muslims take it as literal, as they follow these type of acts as practiced by the prophet of islam, 1400 years ago. It's also in the hadiths.
The difference is, moderate muslims say those verses are to be read in context, and radical muslims take it as literal, as they follow these type of acts as practiced by the prophet of islam, 1400 years ago. It's also in the hadiths.
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Unless something very dramatic has happened recently I don't think @ECGadget is well known for a dislike of Islam.......
(joking aside, it does seem clear that the 'religion' mentioned on this page is not in any way a reference to Islam - even if that has been the case in previous pages/discussions.)
