The war on ISIS.

[Johnnypenso]

Because the air outside wasn't necessarily static while the air inside most likely was. You also don't know what that insulation is made from. It's still perfectly credible that the heat inside became far greater than the heat outside.

Is it possible, physics wise, for it to become hotter inside than outside?

 

[unit-one]

Is it possible, physics wise, for it to become hotter inside than outside?

In some cases yes... maybe. It's when heat can enter but can't exit. Some sort of greenhouse effect.

 

[Dotini]

Is it possible, physics wise, for it to become hotter inside than outside?

Microwaves?

 

[Johnnypenso]

In some cases yes... maybe. It's when heat can enter but can't exit. Some sort of greenhouse effect.

Do maybe's exist in physics?

 

[BobK]

Do maybe's exist in physics?

Heisenberg said so.

 

[TenEightyOne]

Is it possible, physics wise, for it to become hotter inside than outside?

Just roasting a ham, the oven is definitely hotter within than without*

On the FDR there could be some external factor allowing the heat across the surface to dissipate more easily without than it can dissipate from within. There are also active** electronics operating in that sealed box.

* A terrible example
** We presume they're operating

 

[Johnnypenso]

Just roasting a ham, the oven is definitely hotter within than without*

On the FDR there could be some external factor allowing the heat across the surface to dissipate more easily without than it can dissipate from within. There are also active** electronics operating in that sealed box.

* A terrible example
** We presume they're operating

The ham isn't hotter than the air temperature in the oven is it?

 

[TenEightyOne]

The ham isn't hotter than the air temperature in the oven is it?

No, I hope not.

However, if heat were conducting to the oven black box electronics rather than radiating then it's quite conceivable that the air around won't reach the same temperature. It's also conceivable that a draught (such as might exist within a disintegrating aircraft) might allow pieces of metal on the surface to cool relatively without significantly affecting the temperate inside the black box.

The reason we're having this discussion (that delicious ham aside) is the unmarked appearance of the surface wire's insulation. It's equally conceivable that the "unburnt" wire insulation remains so because it's of a heat-resistant specification (such as vinyl-clad fibreglass).

 

[Akira AC]

In some cases yes... maybe. It's when heat can enter but can't exit. Some sort of greenhouse effect.

Those disjointed points in the board correspond to g forces acting over the materials, the airframe first has to support an "n" number of g forces when the missile struck the plane (the missile being supersonic and explosive which is specifically designed to weaken and compromise the airframe, that's why some plane just disintegrate in mid-air after a missile strike).

Also, after the missile impact the impact to the ground also needs to be accounted for, note that the Su-24 was built in the 70's, meaning that they use heavier and less efficient engines to stay airborne, such mass is what make it fall to the ground in a relative "one" piece, but such is the amount of mass crashing to the ground that the resulting impact is yet another exposure of g forces (and likely another explosion upon impact to the ground).

Those boxes are fireproof, but not "shockwave" impact proof, many airliners have recoverable boxes but in some accidents the black-box is useless as the recording mechanisms get destroy by impacts to the ground (either a nosedive or a high speed impact like traveling at almost sonic speeds).

 

[prisonermonkeys]

Meanwhile, Iraqi forces look set reclaim Ramadi from ISIL, with the military estimating that there are just 300 fighters left in the city:

http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2015-12-24/iraqi-troops-edge-closer-to-ramadi-centre/7051916

The US military also say that while ISIL controlled 40% of Iraq at the start of the year, that has been slashed to just 17%. Retaking Ramadi could be key in expelling them entirely.

 

[unit-one]

Those disjointed points in the board correspond to g forces acting over the materials, the airframe first has to support an "n" number of g forces when the missile struck the plane (the missile being supersonic and explosive which is specifically designed to weaken and compromise the airframe, that's why some plane just disintegrate in mid-air after a missile strike).

Also, after the missile impact the impact to the ground also needs to be accounted for, note that the Su-24 was built in the 70's, meaning that they use heavier and less efficient engines to stay airborne, such mass is what make it fall to the ground in a relative "one" piece, but such is the amount of mass crashing to the ground that the resulting impact is yet another exposure of g forces (and likely another explosion upon impact to the ground).

Those boxes are fireproof, but not "shockwave" impact proof, many airliners have recoverable boxes but in some accidents the black-box is useless as the recording mechanisms get destroy by impacts to the ground (either a nosedive or a high speed impact like traveling at almost sonic speeds).

We were discussing the temperature because some chips looked melted. The main damage is obviously impact damage as I also said before. Also the question stays- why are the electronics boards are so thin, suspended in mid air by just 4 pins as if deliberately made to brake under their own weight upon impact. The box itself held up really good!

 

[niky]

You are suggesting that the board was designed to fail specifically so that Russia wouldn't have to share Black Box data that it won't share if it doesn't feel like it, anyway?

We all know this is controlled Russian propaganda, (hardly anything released by the Russian government isn't) but showing a wrecked black box doesn't help their case against Turkey all that much.

Is it possible, physics wise, for it to become hotter inside than outside?

Anyone who's left anything plastic on the dashboard of a car parked in the sun could tell you... Yes.

 

[jimipitbull]

Is it possible, physics wise, for it to become hotter inside than outside?

Dark colors absorb heat, so yes. They should really make the boxes white, or reflective silver. Would also make them easier to find.

 

[Johnnypenso]

Dark colors absorb heat, so yes. They should really make the boxes white, or reflective silver. Would also make them easier to find.

The box isn't actually black.

 

[Akira AC]

We were discussing the temperature because some chips looked melted. The main damage is obviously impact damage as I also said before. Also the question stays- why are the electronics boards are so thin, suspended in mid air by just 4 pins as if deliberately made to brake under their own weight upon impact. The box itself held up really good!

Chips look melted because they melt, metal is a heat conductor (not a very efficient one, but still), so whichever heat acting upon these materials will be transmitted (a fire could cause that, for example a surrounding fireball like the Su-24 wreckage falling into the ground).

And the the box itself held up because it was designed to do so. Unfortunately logic boards, processors and microchips use weaker materials because the microprocessors, resistances and other electronic components.

 

[TenEightyOne]

Dark colors absorb heat, so yes. They should really make the boxes white, or reflective silver. Would also make them easier to find.

That's a myth, black is the best colour for heat transmission* as it's black on both sides. White is the worst as it's white on both sides. See Bedouin caravans for more details. "Silver", if a paint, is also bad, while "reflective" suggests a base material without a colour added. Unless you make a purely two-dimensional coating you're going to have the same problem as with white.

The box isn't actually black.

And besides, this is true



* Heat can't move from a cooler to a hotter, you can try it if you like but you'd far better not-a.

 

[Dotini]

Military to Military
Seymour M. Hersh on US intelligence sharing in the Syrian war

"Barack Obama’s repeated insistence that Bashar al-Assad must leave office – and that there are ‘moderate’ rebel groups in Syria capable of defeating him – has in recent years provoked quiet dissent, and even overt opposition, among some of the most senior officers on the Pentagon’s Joint Staff. Their criticism has focused on what they see as the administration’s fixation on Assad’s primary ally, Vladimir Putin. In their view, Obama is captive to Cold War thinking about Russia and China, and hasn’t adjusted his stance on Syria to the fact both countries share Washington’s anxiety about the spread of terrorism in and beyond Syria; like Washington, they believe that Islamic State must be stopped."
http://www.lrb.co.uk/v38/n01/seymour-m-hersh/military-to-military

More on the Hersh story.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/micha...yria_b_8879792.html?ncid=txtlnkusaolp00000592

 

[prisonermonkeys]

Iraqi forces have re-taken Ramadi from ISIL.

 

[Mr Latte]

Reluctant to do this post but oh well...

Don't get me wrong I have enjoyed some of the conspiracy stuff over the years in various things. It is so easy to get suckered into stuff and some of it not good at all. I do not however believe governments can or should always be trusted, nor the media.

Yet in recent years with crazy weather amongst other things I very much got into reading about Bible Prophecy which described such would happen. Well, to be fair it has as many "nut jobs" on You Tube and other places too. I do have to wonder though if some of you are not looking at the bigger picture or see all this centring around Israel/Christianity and with recent years/current events of today relevant to those in Bible prophecy too even if from a curiosity/fascination perspective?

Russia is now on the scene, ask yourself how is Israel's economy doing? How much gas did they find in recent years off-shore. Do you realise the amount of oil expected to be in the Golan Heights that has just been discovered this year? Is it possible that USA/RUSSIA both see "Israel" as the key element for control the Middle East. Is it not odd that such a small nation has become such a key player, yet so blessed, rich and militarily strong. All from being barren desert land when it returned to being a nation in 1948.

Do you think it is coincidence Iraq/Libya/Egypt all were toppled and out of the chaos ISIS (Muslim Brotherhood) authority would take control. Yet USA was part of it all. USA seems determined to let Iran get the Nuc and who do you think they will target. What nation of people have they said they want to wipe off the map?


Christianity itself is under attack, persecution of the Jews on the rise, Jews fleeing back to Israel in greater numbers (especially from France). Israel with the IRAN DEAL at this years UN meeting has no longer any Nations supporting it. Canada which was one of the last supporting Nations just had a Pro Israel PM ousted and has been replaced by a new Pro Muslim one. I am not trying to preach to anyone but if these things above are mentioned as going to happen and they are happening, well then I see today as exciting times to be living. With what is happening across the world in society, human behaviour, the weather, the financial situation, advances in technology, wars and potential brink of further/greater wars. I do not want to sound like a religious freak but interestingly "Isaiah 17" is a prophecy that has yet to be fulfilled and has some fascinating things about it that could only make it happen in our lifetime. What are the possibilities in the near future Israel has to defend itself and lunches some form of nuclear attack on Damascus?

Many people do not care, I get that and as they are non religious people most will miss how all this actually centres around religion and desire for domination? It always has been, for thousands of years.

Look at the mass refugee crisis across Europe and even into USA happening. I have heard it referred to as cultural suicide and this already because in today's society people can not be offended, especially Muslims. Past ways of social culture are being abolished, new laws and lifestyles created, welcome to the world of so called equality. Is it true that Islam is the biggest rising religion across the USA today? Does anyone want to argue against what you have is a massive population/religious migration across "free society" in EU and USA. Yet while their are are over 50 beautiful Muslim countries in the world, how many of them are taking in refugees? Can someone produce numbers/percentages?

Is it not obvious that their is actually a bigger plan at work here and being allowed to happen by the very people that have the true control? (ohhh conspiracy).

ISIS or ISIL
Personally I find it rather curious that ISIL (which Obama always uses) is actually the religious context, to the land referring to the same region "levant" as what GOD gave to Abraham. He uses the phrase specifically when all other media does not yet it has specific relation to greater Israel and greater Syria.

You have opposing religious beliefs and prophecy at work here. With Obama it seems yet a further snub to Israel and Christianity that this US administration has demonstrated several times in the past. As a President he has also let Christianity take another blow with the gay marriage and the Supreme court rulings. Yet which religion was USA founded on, built its moral stance on, its liberties, its freedom? Also a supreme court ruling is not "actual law" but Christianity is under massive attack across the USA. Many believe Obama has been a major player in destroying what the USA once represented. I say this not in an anti Obama stance but from a global domination perspective. You cannot have a global government, a single world currency, religious control and retain the world as it is today. Not by including a United States as it no longer would exist as what it was/is. (see comparisons both in "Illuminati/Georgia Guide-Stones" and amusingly enough also in "Revelation" with Anti-Christ/Mark Of beast/Pope).

Religion Factor
A so called "Radical Christian" that goes to kill people at for example an abortion clinic etc is not a Christian, he is not acting like a Christian or full-filling what his Bible is telling him to do. In fact he is doing the opposite of what his Bible tells him.

A so called "Radical Muslim" that despises Christians/Jews, who seeks to kill them, why or how is he radical? Who or what is he following? Why does ISIS cut the finger tips off Christians, crucifying them, be-head them. Are they acting on the whim of some fanatical leader with crazy ideas or following what the Quran itself commands?

From religious perspectives one is doing what his/her "religion" is telling them and the other is not.

If "Allahu Akbar" refers to greatest, meaning greater than any other, is this not a religious term that their god is greater than any other? If "Jihad" refers to a holy war against non believers, is this also not religious related basis for means to kill?

Yet why is the media/Obama constantly portraying the image that religion is not involved?
It is clear Obama is pro Muslim and I believe he himself has been placed and played into the role of the bigger picture.

Russia is in Syria as it wants the spoils of Israel and will continue to work alongside Iran as the Bible itself mentions. Believe or not, its happening which to me is kinda awesome. To read/see events spoken of some 2000-3000 years ago happen exactly as described, just mind boggling.

Happy 2016 everyone, if you think things are going to get better, you think world peace is coming, an end to poverty, hunger and every little thing, gonna be alright?

Expect more and things to get worse not better.

 

[prisonermonkeys]

Christianity itself is under attack

You want to help?

Stop making it all about you.

 

[jimipitbull]

Religion Factor
A so called "Radical Christian" that goes to kill people at for example an abortion clinic etc is not a Christian, he is not acting like a Christian or full-filling what his Bible is telling him to do. In fact he is doing the opposite of what his Bible tells him.

A so called "Radical Muslim" that despises Christians/Jews, who seeks to kill them, why or how is he radical? Who or what is he following? Why does ISIS cut the finger tips off Christians, crucifying them, be-head them. Are they acting on the whim of some fanatical leader with crazy ideas or following what the Quran itself commands?

From religious perspectives one is doing what his/her "religion" is telling them and the other is not.

.

They are both the same. All the different bibles, quran etc contain horrible things.
Religion is evil, mind control for the masses. Try and break free from it.

 

[Mr Latte]

They are both the same. All the different bibles, quran etc contain horrible things.
Religion is evil, mind control for the masses. Try and break free from it.

While I have no intent to argue and some will for the sake of arguing. I tend to agree with you in some regards to aspects of religion. It has become so corrupt and this itself is what many people see and are against. Yet their are many vast differences, you cannot say they are the same.


The Bible is full of prophecy some already has come to pass, much is for our time and future and if you actually spent time in it with proper scriptural teaching you will discover how the world today, is described accurately regards end times even predictions Jesus himself made. You will not find this in other religions.

"Bill Salus" covers rather well the "Geo Politics" of the middleast from today's reality and prophecy. Perhaps some should look him up. The Bible clearly defines who the involved countries are and the signs of the end times, all of which are happening now including the weather, rise of earth quakes, animal deaths on a global scale many things like never before happening at once. So as a believer and Christian it is my duty to be watchful because when these begin to happen it is a sign. I find it engrossing as I learn more anyways but it does take caution to not follow whacko folk (whom their are many) with their own opinions. I prefer to follow those that stick to scripture and make my own mind up based on what is the actual situation and what the Bible says will come to be.

Non Religion:
However I could counter that with saying millions of people follow no religion at all but they themselves are subject to mind control for the masses by influence from books,media,entertainment,news etc. Many today would believe in the idea of "Good Vs Evil Forces" existing in for example, "a galaxy far far away", yet not believe in Satan/God or creation. They will believe in the "Force" and that their are powers beyond flesh/bone yet not that they have a soul or in the "Holy Spirit". Yet in such a fantasy world people could believe a "Jedi" can have a relationship with such "Force" feel it, let it flow within them be concious of it. Lots of that to me very much copies some of the basis of religion.

So I can say modern media can contain horrible things too, they possibly are a distraction, mind control for the masses and that some should take a break from it all and do some searching for their own soul instead.

Christ was Against Religion?
Believing in Christ and that he died for our sins, for everyone and forming a relationship with him is what Christianity is. Mohammed did not suffer and die for you, me or everyone. He did not love everyone, he did not like Christ rise from the grave defeating death itself and only through His grace can we be saved.

It is not about going to Church, doing good deeds and following "Religion". Jesus himself was against the Pharisees, their practices and them using religion, adding to it to suit their own desires or power/wealth and yes indeed control over people.

The Catholic Church today being a prime example and yet, take notice of how the current Pope is held in such high regards also on a geo-political level. Yet he continues to denounce and remove "Christ" as the "Messiah/Saviour" from the Church as it moves closer to Islam even having Islamic Prayer in Rome with the ideology of "One God" and equality.

 

[TenEightyOne]

Pope...continues to denounce and remove "Christ" as the "Messiah/Saviour" from the Church as it moves closer to Islam even having Islamic Prayer in Rome with the ideology of "One God" and equality.

Interesting. Source definitely required

Does it ever bother you that Jesus wanted to be a Jew?

 

[Mr Latte]

Interesting. Source definitely required

Does it ever bother you that Jesus wanted to be a Jew?

Source, actually listen to what he says, it is not what the Bible teaches.
It is "new world religion" being formed just as previous Popes across history continually changed things.

Jesus wanted to be a Jew?
I thought he was one.

 

[BobK]

The Bible is full of prophecy some already has come to pass, much is for our time and future and if you actually spent time in it with proper scriptural teaching you will discover how the world today, is described accurately regards end times even predictions Jesus himself made.

Care to cite a few clear and unambiguous examples?
Please note the "clear and unambiguous" part.

You will not find this in other religions.

Oh but you will.

 

[Mr Latte]

Care to cite a few clear and unambiguous examples?
Please note the "clear and unambiguous" part.


Oh but you will.

Im sure you could actually try to find some yourself. I am not a teacher of any sort, I am expressing an opinion based on my own understanding and beliefs. Your intent seems to come across more to argue than to be interested to learn? To think it is a simple matter of "oh heres concrete proof of everything, God and creation" that is not going to happen. Why would Christians be told to have faith if proof was going to come one day on the internet before his return?

I will not go into quoting versus. Some people have dedicated many years of their lives on the subject. I already referred to "Bill Salus" as his work covers more the topic/region of this thread from an interesting perspective.

When you begin to accumulate many things that are factual to what the Bible says will be or have come to be or how history even from biblical times is repeating itself then I question how many do you ignore before considering taking notice? You have to look at the predictions made first, not to try and fit them into a scriptural verse or just rely on selected versus rather than the whole picture as well.

I am curious to which other religions accurately portray how the world currently is, how lifestyles have become, how technology would greatly advance and mans knowledge, how religion itself has become and the pre-mentioned extreme weather and animal deaths across the world. The similar links between what the conspiracy of "illuminati" have as NWO agendas and the those within the 7 year tribulation of Revelation?

To focus more on the region of the topic which religion makes predictions such as the upcoming "destruction of Damascus" and that it will be a Capital City when it happens. Damascus is seen as the worlds oldest inhabited city of approx 5000 years old, it has been conquered many times but never destroyed, never have only animals been roaming through it. Yet its name was never changed by each new conquer, it still exists today, it is only in our recent time become a capital of Syria. These points alone were predicted 3000 years ago in the bible which is rather fascinating that they are accurate today.


Yet it is now in this time we have the technology to destroy a whole city (event in Bible happens at night) the city already is war stricken, a wreck but it still exists. How many more will flee from it in the coming months/years that it could become a major military offensive. Israel will be forced to defend itself and act alone with no military alliance/co-operation. We can assume it by this stage is not as heavily civilian populated city as it once was. The other factor of what would make only animals enter a destroyed city? Is their a link with nuclear or chemical radiation? Did Russia/Assad really get rid of all the chemicals weapons? So yes like a good movie or novel "the prophecy" still has some more things to happen but is it not rather alarming already the things predicted within the Bible and are in place today?

Prophecies / Israel Nation / Last Generation?
Israel itself in its current situation covers several, how it came to become a nation AGAIN in a single day, how its people were dispersed across the world yet the culture continued without a home land for approx 2000 years. Something no other culture in history has ever done for so long. How it will not be defeated again against greater military odds. History shows this already with attacks directly after its re-birth as a nation and in the 6 day war are examples. How it has become the centre of attention in the Middle East a nuclear power. Nations will proclaim to wipe it off the map. It's growth, wealth, technology is evident across the world. Do you realise how many technologies are linked to Israel? It has become a blessed, fruitful and strong if tiny nation. The current preparations in place for the rebuilding of the 3rd Temple. How Jews will continue to return to the homeland from around the world. The Eastern Gate, it has and is still locked to this day, this the gate that Jesus himself entered into the city and will re-enter through. The Palestinian situation of today, looking to divide the land of Israel. The Iranian Nuclear situation (secrecy of its details), the placement of it in Bushehr, this has significant biblical historical and regional significance. Russia/Iran forming an alliance against Israel, other countries that will object to future attacks but do nothing. These relationships have and continue to be formed by the associated countries involved. USA and UK were its once strongest allies but we are deserting them as seen through the UN and this Iranian Deal that is being formed. UN is becoming ever-more anti Israel and pro Palestinian. Some countries are boycotting its products etc. Lastly antisemitism is greatly on the increase. These are just some things that you can factually/historically look into.

You asked, I say do your own research if you are curious. If you don't agree that is fine you have and are entitled to your own opinion.

 

[TenEightyOne]

Source, actually listen to what he says, it is not what the Bible teaches.

No, it's up to you to provide the source for a claim, not the reader of your claim

Where do you feel the Pope's speeches/doctrine go against the teachings of the bibble?

Damascus is seen as the worlds oldest inhabited city of approx 5000 years old, it has been conquered many times but never destroyed, never have only animals been roaming through it. Yet its name was never changed by each new conquer, it still exists today, it is only in our recent time become a capital of Syria.

Historically incorrect. Even the locals don't all call it by the same name today.

You asked, I say do your own research if you are curious. If you don't agree that is fine you have and are entitled to your own opinion.

Again, not up to us to look for sources. A hint; the bibble is actually a poor one - it's not original to christianity therefore much of what you quote could be from preceding belief sets.

 

[Mr Latte]

I wont argue with you, that is what you or others may want.
By mocking you are full-filling another prophecy, so thanks.

 

[Akira AC]

I wont argue with you, that is what you or others may want.
By mocking you are full-filling another prophecy, so thanks.

What?

Bible cult followers are fascinating, because Biblical events (and for that matters prophecies) are mostly recount of events being written from that specific age, history has the bad habit of repeat itself, so writing "prophecies" is just writing accounts that happened on that specific time, then these accounts are likely events that repeat themselves in another point in history.

The thing is ... while events do repeat, outcomes often don't do that. Avoiding having to deal or recognize changes is something that the church usually do, however the only significant church powers that exists are only in Islam-Based nations. The western world is no longer Christian (thankfully), so the way in which we deal situation is different than what it used be in the 1000s or 1500s (when most of the power was on the church).

 

[BobK]

You asked, I say do your own research if you are curious. If you don't agree that is fine you have and are entitled to your own opinion.

Not the way it works I'm afraid. As @TenEightyOne points out, you made the claim so it's on you to provide support for it.

Your intent seems to come across more to argue than to be interested to learn?

I assure you I am more than willing to learn. But I do question your own motives; your unwillingness to actually back up what you claim leads me to believe you're here to preach and not to discuss.