The war on ISIS.

[niky]

Last one is patently BS. The two sides constantly try to undermine their proxies in the Middle East.

But at least they're on the same page now.

Uh... for now.

 

[Terronium-12]

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This is the second time I've seen this kind of post from you reported. Is your keyboard malfunctioning? Is it meant to be an edit screaming "Delete me please"? Or are you not aware of what you're typing because you're asleep?

Whatever the case may be, let's avoid this posting pattern moving forward.

 

[Akira AC]

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-35114060
https://www.rt.com/news/326161-saudi-military-coalition-questioned/

I do wonder why the Saudis Made such an statement given the willingness of other members of the "coalition".


The region is unstable enough, the worst that could happen is radicals getting direct reinforcements from Saudis, Saudis must not intervene, they have enough influence on the region and they seem to encourage radicalism.

 

[HKS racer]

This is the second time I've seen this kind of post from you reported. Is your keyboard malfunctioning? Is it meant to be an edit screaming "Delete me please"? Or are you not aware of what you're typing because you're asleep?

Whatever the case may be, let's avoid this posting pattern moving forward.

It's an unintentional double post, so I tried to ninja-edit and copy/paste above what was written in the double post, and left the unwanted post with the less invasive keyboard button available since I can't delete it.

If someone wasted his time reporting that it means he has nothing better to do than bothering Gtplanet Moderators for nothing since I acknowledged the double post and tried to correct it with normal user privileges, since in this forum I can't delete my own posts.

Sorry for the inconvenience.

 

[TenEightyOne]

If someone wasted his time reporting that it means he has nothing better to do than bothering Gtplanet Moderators for nothing since I acknowledged the double post and tried to correct it with normal user privileges

I think you're meant to report it yourself and ask for a deletion, or at least edit it to say "please delete"

Last one is patently BS. The two sides constantly try to undermine their proxies in the Middle East.

But at least they're on the same page now.

Uh... for now.

There seem to be more and more pages as the conflict goes on. Goodness knows who's on which page now.

 

[x3ra]

I'm two pages ahead. Just waiting for you to catch up.

 

[HKS racer]

I think you're meant to report it yourself and ask for a deletion, or at least edit it to say "please delete"

I think it's not strictly your business and I bet it was you who reported it.
Let's celebrate anyway, there's a new governament wohoo.

 

[Brend]

Goddammit Linda, I thought you had this covered.

 

[TenEightyOne]

I think it's not strictly your business and I bet it was you who reported it.

I didn't say it was and us users are all the same rank here. I didn't report you, you've been told, so that's that

I'm two pages ahead. Just waiting for you to catch up.

Damnit. Will you read the last page for us please?

 

[unit-one]

A blackbox from the downed Su-24 was opened.

Here's some screencaps I made.

Surprise! The guts are destroyed!

Despite the space where the boards were kept inside the box being totally unharmed (at least looking at the best shots the camera guy took of it) and the lid to which the boards were attached, the boards are really beaten.
The memory chips even look melted for some reason.

 

[Johnnypenso]

A blackbox from the downed Su-24 was opened.

Here's some screencaps I made.

Surprise! The guts are destroyed!

Despite the space where the boards were kept inside the box being totally unharmed (at least looking at the best shots the camera guy took of it) and the lid to which the boards were attached, the boards are really beaten.
The memory chips even look melted for some reason.

Absolutely amazing how isolated the damage is. /s

 

[TenEightyOne]

Surprise! The guts are destroyed!

Despite the space where the boards were kept inside the box being totally unharmed (at least looking at the best shots the camera guy took of it) and the lid to which the boards were attached, the boards are really beaten.
The memory chips even look melted for some reason.

Looks like the whole thing's been subjected to extreme heat.

 

[Sanji Himura]

Surprise! The guts are destroyed!

Despite the space where the boards were kept inside the box being totally unharmed (at least looking at the best shots the camera guy took of it) and the lid to which the boards were attached, the boards are really beaten.
The memory chips even look melted for some reason.

Totally plausible. The damage looked like it was caused by heat, not a concussive blast, and is totally consistent with a missile strike in the fuselage. Besides, there was earlier evidence that the external case of the black box being damaged, which could have been caused by debris.

EDIT: Tree'd

 

[unit-one]

Absolutely amazing how isolated the damage is. /s

Looks like the whole thing's been subjected to extreme heat.

Totally plausible. The damage looked like it was caused by heat, not a concussive blast, and is totally consistent with a missile strike in the fuselage. Besides, there was earlier evidence that the external case of the black box being damaged, which could have been caused by debris.

EDIT: Tree'd

The narrator in the video said that the box was not affected by fire. Look how clean it is. And he said that the layered structure of the box with layers of foam and metal protects the circuitry from heat. He also said that the box is located in the back of the plane.

If the boards are so vulnerable to g-forces then... it's a pretty useless box.

 

[TenEightyOne]

The narrator in the video said that the box was not affected by fire.

Flames may not have reached it but I'd still guess that the area where it was located has conducted some extreme heat.

 

[unit-one]

Flames may not have reached it but I'd still guess that the area where it was located has conducted some extreme heat.

I just can't believe it. The paint on the box looks perfect, just scratched. Though the box has a pretty nasty hole that damaged the first metal layer and the first layer of white stuff.

 

[Johnnypenso]

Apparently the grand coalition formed by the Saudi's to combat ISIS had a little miscommunication and they forgot to tell Pakistan that they were involved.
http://www.dawn.com/news/1226723

ISLAMABAD: Pakistan found itself in the crosshairs of Middle Eastern politics on Tuesday as Saudi Arabia named it as part of its newly formed 34-nation military alliance of Muslim countries meant to combat terrorism, without first getting its consent.

Talking to journalists, Foreign Secretary Aizaz Chaudhry said he was surprised to read the news that Saudi Arabia had named Pakistan as part of the alliance.

Caveat: I'm not familiar with this source.

 

[Sanji Himura]

Apparently the grand coalition formed by the Saudi's to combat ISIS had a little miscommunication and they forgot to tell Pakistan that they were involved.
http://www.dawn.com/news/1226723

Caveat: I'm not familiar with this source.

Dawn appears to be a Islamic newspaper centered in Pakistan. They even mention the Hafeez case where he is currently sitting in jail for blasphemy by way of social media and his lawyer was shot. (see here)

 

[niky]

I just can't believe it. The paint on the box looks perfect, just scratched. Though the box has a pretty nasty hole that damaged the first metal layer and the first layer of white stuff.

A metal box and high-temp paint are going to live through heat that will fry a silicone circuit board, without a scratch... and that's from bitter experience. As the others have said, even if the box itself shows no scorch marks, that's no proof that it wasn't in a fire.

The insulation protects the circuitry inside only to a certain extent. Black boxes are not indestructible or foolproof.

 

[unit-one]

A metal box and high-temp paint are going to live through heat that will fry a silicone circuit board, without a scratch... and that's from bitter experience. As the others have said, even if the box itself shows no scorch marks, that's no proof that it wasn't in a fire.

The insulation protects the circuitry inside only to a certain extent. Black boxes are not indestructible or foolproof.

Maybe. Maybe I suspect them too much.

 

[mister dog]

 

[unit-one]

Some more observations about the black box.

The model is БАНТ-32-02 (BANT-32-02)

This company website tells that the box will protect the information:

-hit 1000 g,

-penetrating hit (mass of 226 кg falling from 3 м with a tip of 6,35 мм),

-static load 2260 kgf,

-temperature 1100°С with 100% surface during 30 мinutes,

-sea water pressure 60 MPa,

-sea water 30 days,

-aggressive fluids 48 hours.

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The boards are broken. If it's not staged, then the boards could be broken due to the design. They are placed on 4 pins and there's nothing between them to stop them from bending. They could have been destroyed by just falling down. Or the g-force greatly exceeded 1000 g when the box hit the ground.

There's a wire that is going from the outside straight to the boards- great conductor of heat.

I thought that these things were well engineered, so this is why I'm so disappointed to see the final result.

EDIT: Also they placed the boards in the safe and locked it. But they forgot to gather the memory chip pieces in the box.

 

[TenEightyOne]

An Air France jet was diverted after a fake bomb (made of paper and what appeared to be a timer) was found in the toilet. BBC.

 

[x3ra]

What we really need to see is some other black boxes which have been involved in other crashes, to see if what we are seeing is normal.

The great egg race!!!

 

[Dotini]

Military to Military
Seymour M. Hersh on US intelligence sharing in the Syrian war

"Barack Obama’s repeated insistence that Bashar al-Assad must leave office – and that there are ‘moderate’ rebel groups in Syria capable of defeating him – has in recent years provoked quiet dissent, and even overt opposition, among some of the most senior officers on the Pentagon’s Joint Staff. Their criticism has focused on what they see as the administration’s fixation on Assad’s primary ally, Vladimir Putin. In their view, Obama is captive to Cold War thinking about Russia and China, and hasn’t adjusted his stance on Syria to the fact both countries share Washington’s anxiety about the spread of terrorism in and beyond Syria; like Washington, they believe that Islamic State must be stopped."
http://www.lrb.co.uk/v38/n01/seymour-m-hersh/military-to-military

 

[x3ra]

The Iraqi Army has begun military operations to liberate the central city of Ramadi from terrorists, Iraqi Army spokesman Rasul Abdallah said Tuesday.

“We have announced the beginning of an operation to liberate Ramadi and will completely destroy the terrorists,” Abdallah told RIA Novosti.

http://sputniknews.com/middleeast/20151222/1032136589/iraq-ramadi.html#ixzz3v31NIvKa

 

[Sanji Himura]

Temperature 1100°С with 100% surface during 30 мinutes

While not completely relevant, the melting point of electronics starts at 302°F (150°C) because the materials the circuit boards are made of (silicone) melt at those temperatures. Solder melts at 400°F (204.4°C).

So while the box itself can withstand temperatures of just about anything jet fuel can produce (1,500°C), there is such a thing as residual heat that cooks anything in an enclosed space like an oven. If you are familiar with the pouch principle in cooking, if you cook something in foil, heat will still penetrate the foil to cook the food inside. It's the same principle here.

 

[unit-one]

While not completely relevant, the melting point of electronics starts at 302°F (150°C) because the materials the circuit boards are made of (silicone) melt at those temperatures. Solder melts at 400°F (204.4°C).

So while the box itself can withstand temperatures of just about anything jet fuel can produce (1,500°C), there is such a thing as residual heat that cooks anything in an enclosed space like an oven. If you are familiar with the pouch principle in cooking, if you cook something in foil, heat will still penetrate the foil to cook the food inside. It's the same principle here.

I know, I know, I cook sometimes. Then please explain the cable that runs from the box. If the temperature was so great that it managed to cook the electronics inside, why is this cable still has it's insulation?

 

[TenEightyOne]

I know, I know, I cook sometimes. Then please explain the cable that runs from the box. If the temperature was so great that it managed to cook the electronics inside, why is this cable still has it's insulation?

Because the air outside wasn't necessarily static while the air inside most likely was. You also don't know what that insulation is made from. It's still perfectly credible that the heat inside became far greater than the heat outside.

What's your theory - that it was deliberately broken?

 

[unit-one]

Because the air outside wasn't necessarily static while the air inside most likely was. You also don't know what that insulation is made from. It's still perfectly credible that the heat inside became far greater than the heat outside.

What's your theory - that it was deliberately broken?

Sadly yes, after the staged interview with the second pilot (and other fakes) I think the opening of the black box was a show. Another conflict situation hanging in mid air.
Why are there no footage from the crash site? Just a video of a young man with the clean box.
Although if I'm wrong, I'll accept that I was wrong.