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The "war on police" in America
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The take down wasn't about civilian lives. It was about making sure officers at the scene did not come to harm.
So, in essence, the military should have handled this, as it was a military trained reservist who killed a local police officer. I thought S.W.A.T. were involved.
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I don't think the military could have handled it and it still be Constitutional due to the Posse Comitatus Act.
And really do you think having the military come in to take out an active shooter would have done anything other than stir up a hornets nest? People would have a field day using words like "marshal law".
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How isn't it? The shooter said he wanted to kill white cops. I don't blame the protesters themselves, but the ideology around Black Lives Matter clearly played a role in influencing the shooter to do what he did.
People have the right to say what they believe and they have the right to protest, but the Black Lives Matter movement is largely fueled by misinformation and people who are bad will use that misinformation to justify their hate and actions. Ultimately the guy pulling the trigger is at fault here, but I'm guessing he didn't just wake up that morning and decided today was the day he was going to start targeting very specific people.
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A dog telling a man to kill women in The Bronx, when I was just 6yo. There's usually some influence. The main reason would be mental instability. From postal workers that went on rampages to kids with guns shooting up classmates. There's always a moment when someone snaps.
What do we know of the three men in custody? The shootings were described as tacticle. Shooting from all angles. So this dead "sniper". Do we know for a fact it was the Black Lives Matter movement that triggered this or the fact innocent men were killed by police since July 4th?
What do we know of the three men in custody? The shootings were described as tacticle. Shooting from all angles. So this dead "sniper". Do we know for a fact it was the Black Lives Matter movement that triggered this or the fact innocent men were killed by police since July 4th?
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The three men in custody were questioned and released. The shooter, who was killed by a bomb, told negotiators that he was upset with the recent shootings of black men and that he wanted to kill white cops. Considering the Black Lives Matter movement is based around police officers, whom actually aren't all white, killing black men during some sort of confrontation, it seems reasonable to put 2 and 2 together and say he was influenced heavily by the movement itself.
The shooting of a police officer in Tennessee has witnesses stating that the shooter yelled out "Police suck! Black Lives Matter!", which seems to say that was motivated by the movement. There's not enough information out about the other two incidents, but they did involve someone shooting a police officer.
The two men who were shot by police are obviously innocent until proven guilty, however in my mind they are probably more guilty than the media would have you believe. Alton Sterling is shown in the video fighting with police and resisting arrest, the initial call also stated that he was threatening people with a gun while he was trying to sell CD's. Philando Castile was pulled over because he matched the description of an armed robbery suspect and he had a firearm on his person. I can see where the officers would be jumpy in both of these situations. There's a bunch of information being hidden or told incorrectly in both of these cases, which makes me think it's not exactly what it seems and why I think the Black Lives Matter movement is largely fueled by misinformation.
This isn't to say there aren't legitimate instances where suspects were killed by police unjustly, I just currently have my doubts over the most recent of the two.
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I won't share my views on the Alton Sterling incident here.
Let's be clear. Black Lives Matter is not calling for officers to be killed. That movement is calling for justice. ALL North Americans should be standing for justice, no matter about a "movement".
People get it misconstrued with a "war on police". This "war" is about the bad apples. Just as civilians have bad apples.
Being Pro "war on police" does not mean anti-cop.
Let's be clear. Black Lives Matter is not calling for officers to be killed. That movement is calling for justice. ALL North Americans should be standing for justice, no matter about a "movement".
People get it misconstrued with a "war on police". This "war" is about the bad apples. Just as civilians have bad apples.
Being Pro "war on police" does not mean anti-cop.
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The movement as a whole isn't calling for the killing of police, I never said that it was, I did say that it's being used as a catalyst for people justify killing police officers and that it's based off misinformation.
And I agree, I am all for justice and I believe that a police officer shouldn't kill someone (regardless of their color) just because they have the authority to carry a gun. I believe the killing for Freddie Gray in the back of a police van wasn't just at all. However, I do think some of these incidents where people claim injustice isn't in fact injustice at all. Misinformation is the biggest hurdle the Black Lives Matter movement faces, if those who support the movement looked at the facts and analyzed the whole picture before protesting anytime an officer kills someone then they would probably be way more effective and get greater support from the communities who aren't black.
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I wonder if the events of the Dallas shooting will make cops more fearful of any black person that will result in shooting of more innocent black people or will it end up making all police forces more strict when it comes to shooting people that might not be a threat.
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Do you have some examples of police shooting black people out of fear of black people? How many cases are there of police shooting a black person when they didn't think their life might be in imminent danger? Before you say it, one is too many I agree. But with 900,000 cops in the U.S., millions and millions of interactions with the public every month there are bound to be mistakes made. How many mistakes are made each year?
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Remember when that cop went rouge and the police shot up a similar looking truck injuring the driver cause they thought it was him?
Same kind of thing, if a cop sees a black person they might be paranoid enough to think they are in danger.
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While I don't think this is what the movement originally stood for, I think enough people have made it about race where this statement holds some weight. Labeling anything with race could be considered racist, which is why I really think this movement should be something along the lines of "Civilian Lives Matter" since it's intention is fight against corrupt police officers who abuse their powers.
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And this is one of the reasons the movement won't get any traction unless they separate themselves from those who call for the death of officers. The other big reason as I've stated before is information. Become informed, publicly denounce people like this, and figure out some way to work with the police departments instead of against them to figure out a solution.
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Because people find that offensive or something, also if you say that you're clearly a racist according to the media
.I still think "Civilian Lives Matter" would capture the message they are after which is police brutality since it's not just blacks who experience police overstepping their boundaries. Plenty of Hispanics, whites, Asians, etc. all deal with it too.
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Because people find that offensive or something, also if you say that you're clearly a racist according to the media
I still think "Civilian Lives Matter" would capture the message they are after which is police brutality since it's not just blacks who experience police overstepping their boundaries. Plenty of Hispanics, whites, Asians, etc. all deal with it too.
I think we would not be having this conversation if people respected the law and law enforcement. I've never been harassed by the police. Must be because I'm Italian-American and 'privileged.'
How can you possibly say that?, are we now supposed to trust a group of vigilantes to discern a good cop from a bad one? A war on police is definitively anti-police.
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El Paso Police Chief catches hell for expressing his opinion of Black Lives Matter.
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As far as I know, the video only shows her side of the story as well. My 2 cents.
You know what the difference is between Saddam & Micah Johnson?
When they found Saddam all by himself, he surrendered and wanted to negotiate. Micah Johnson did not.
Oh, is it? Is that why Black Lives Matter supporters went in Dartmouth College (a school that admits half of all African Americans applicants) library and started harassing people? Saying, "**** you whitey! **** you, you racist ****". These were innocent college kids who aren't anywhere close to being police officers and yet, they were harassed and even physically assaulted because of the color of skin.
OH YEAH, Black Lives Matter is definitely about justice for black people. Those signs calling for dead cops, & "**** the police", that's real justice that needs to be served.
I've said it on here before. This movement is dead. It no longer holds the goal it originally intended after Mike Brown because too many people have taken it as an acceptable excuse to be racist and promote violence. Instead of getting people to unify and sympathize with them, people in this movement antagonize and purposely interfere in the lives of innocents. And when people speak out against them, they're accused of supporting what BLM is against. Cuba Gooding Jr. recently shed tears for an officer in Dallas because he personally knew who he was. And he was called an Uncle Tom for it.
I don't agree with those who believe BLM is a terrorists group; that's far too extreme. But, I will never stand behind that movement after all the wrong ways of going about justice they have done. If these people truly still want to stand for justice, they must do so under a different name. BLM at this point, is doing everything but convincing people to side with them. It is increasingly growing from Justice for Black People (that are killed by cops) to something else.
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Dallas Police Chief says that the killer of five officers last Thursday left a message on a wall in his own blood and was singing.
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Explain to me how the views of those people are different from anyone else that is a member of Black Lies Matter? I have not once heard any other member denounce this stuff.
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