The "war on police" in America

[McLaren]

If people are walking shouting Black Lives Matter, are you going to group them with people being racist and spreading hatred, who some claim are pushing a different agenda than unity?

If someone is marching with you spewing racism & shouting, "Kill cops", and you aren't doing anything to make that person stop, then of course people are going to group you both together....

 

[05XR8]

If someone is marching with you spewing racism & shouting, "Kill cops", and you aren't doing anything to make that person stop, then of course people are going to group you both together....

...did I mention "marching with you"? No.
I can hashtag Black Lives Matter. You can hash tag Black Lives Matter. You're missing it, brother. By your logic, all those people that watched black people hang, burn and be beaten, should be grouped together. Seeing as how most of North America didn't do anything about it.
It's the movement to bring awareness to those who are sleeping.
I can post pics of Zachary Hammond. Where are the All Lives Matter outroar on that? Not a peep.

Why aren't good cops up in arms over bad cops? Why aren't good cops waging a war on bad cops?

 

[fumunaplz]

Why aren't good cops up in arms over bad cops? Why aren't good cops waging a war on bad cops?

It is very clear that in that sort of job, considered 'in the line of duty' and rightly so, you protect one and another.



It is not a surprise you did not answer my previous post.

 

[05XR8]

How can you possibly say that?, are we now supposed to trust a group of vigilantes to discern a good cop from a bad one? A war on police is definitively anti-police.

This? That's silliness. You're still not getting it.

It is very clear that in that sort of job, considered 'in the line of duty' and rightly so, you protect one and another.



It is not a surprise you did not answer my previous post.

Wait. So, a moral cop should protect a dirty cop. Is that right?

 

[Parker]

It is very clear that in that sort of job, considered 'in the line of duty' and rightly so, you protect one and another.



It is not a surprise you did not answer my previous post.

Regular cops want dirty cops gone more than just about anyone else because not only do they make us all look bad, they make our jobs even more dangerous than it already is.

Trust me, regular cops are doing everything we can to get rid of the dirtbags and we certainly aren't protecting those idiots.

 

[Johnnypenso]

Why aren't good cops up in arms over bad cops? Why aren't good cops waging a war on bad cops?

In the era of social media we assume that if someone isn't whining on social media or hashtagging the hell out of an issue that the no one is doing anything about it. You have no idea how good cops feel about bad cops.

 

[UKMikey]

In the era of social media we assume that if someone isn't whining on social media or hashtagging the hell out of an issue that the no one is doing anything about it. You have no idea how good cops feel about bad cops.

But quite a few people on the last couple of pages of this thread seem to know exactly how non-violent Black Lives Matter protesters feel about their anti-white colleagues. I think @05XR8's argument may be that the "why aren't X doing more to root out their bad members" argument could be said to be equally presumptive when used against either side.

 

[fumunaplz]

How easily it is to dismiss the term "in the line of duty"

Of course police do not want to serve beside a dirty one, I never said anything to the contrary. I have to wonder how many cops condone having their brethren shot and killed by a war on police kind of guy lol.

 

[stonesfan129]

Thought this would be interesting.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/petitio...orist-organization-gets-85000-signatures.html

 

[UKMikey]

This is also interesting.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slat...oe_walsh_this_is_now_war_watch_out_obama.html

 

[05XR8]

In the era of social media we assume that if someone isn't whining on social media or hashtagging the hell out of an issue that the no one is doing anything about it. You have no idea how good cops feel about bad cops.

I do. I text my brother(retired NYPD HWY 1) every day.

But quite a few people on the last couple of pages of this thread seem to know exactly how non-violent Black Lives Matter protesters feel about their anti-white colleagues. I think @05XR8's argument may be that the "why aren't X doing more to root out their bad members" argument could be said to be equally presumptive when used against either side.

My questions were directed to @fumunaplz

I've seen plenty of discussion panels where officers that don't and won't do dirt, are threatened. The justice system won't do some of them any favors either.

Edit: This is war on police:
http://michaelbaisden.com/well-see-...as-cop-gets-fired-online-attack-womans-child/

 

[fumunaplz]

This? That's silliness. You're still not getting it.

I agree, you are silly.

Wait. So, a moral cop should protect a dirty cop. Is that right?

Exactly where did I say that?

You are of the opinion that it is ok to kill innocent police to get a message across that we need to take a closer look at the bad ones, I disagree is all.

 

[05XR8]

I agree, you are silly.




Exactly where did I say that?

You are of the opinion that it is ok to kill innocent police to get a message across that we need to take a closer look at the bad ones, I disagree is all.

riiiiiiiiight.
Okay, you're clearly trolling with this, again. You're using "in the line of duty" as an answer to shoot first and answer or don't answer, questions later.

I was two blocks away working on phone lines when Amadou Diallo was shot 41 times.
I also assisted police at apprehending a shooter when I was 15yo. The shooter was taken into custody without struggle.

The war is on bad cops. You're meaning is like saying the war on drugs mean all drugs , illegal and pharmaceutical.

 

[McLaren]

...did I mention "marching with you"? No.

Let's go back and read what you asked.

If people are walking shouting Black Lives Matter, are you going to group them with people being racist and spreading hatred, who some claim are pushing a different agenda than unity?

I can hashtag Black Lives Matter. You can hash tag Black Lives Matter. You're missing it, brother. By your logic, all those people that watched black people hang, burn and be beaten, should be grouped together. Seeing as how most of North America didn't do anything about it.

I'm not missing anything. Look above. That video shows people with a sign saying Black Lives Matter whilst shouting "Kill Cops". We can share the Dartmouth College incident next as well, where people are shouting "Black Lives Matter" and then spewing racist remarks against white.

So yes, I am going to group them together because they're doing it together.

And you can put your, Bring-up-the-past card back in the deck. I'm not going to entertain such a subtle jab that all of America supported hanging black people.

It's the movement to bring awareness to those who are sleeping

No, it's the movement that's become a pest to society. More and more people are getting fed up with it because it has no organization or leaders to police it.

I can post pics of Zachary Hammond. Where are the All Lives Matter outroar on that? Not a peep.

We should be asking your movement that, since it's against police brutality and not black-on-black crime.

Why aren't good cops up in arms over bad cops? Why aren't good cops waging a war on bad cops?

They are.

 

[Robin]

There has been a shooting outside Berrien County Courthouse in Michigan. 3 dead in what appears to be another law enforcement targeted attack.

 

[IforceV8]

There has been a shooting outside Berrien County Courthouse in Michigan. 3 dead in what appears to be another law enforcement targeted attack.

It was inside the courthouse and the shooter was in custody and grabbed a bailiffs gun.

 

[stonesfan129]

Won't be long before Congress just says "no more guns" and outlaws our rights cause of this stuff.

 

[fumunaplz]

Won't be long before Congress just says "no more guns" and outlaws our rights cause of this stuff.

I hope not, it would have to fall on the desire of the people. It would be very hard to disarm me and many around me. We are not criminal 1/2 as much as the government is and that is what the right is all about.

 

[Northstar]

Won't be long before Congress just says "no more guns" and outlaws our rights cause of this stuff.

People have been saying that since Columbine and that was 17 years ago.

It's the movement to bring awareness to those who are sleeping.

Than they should start be awakening themselves since at the same time Castile was shot a black 2 year old and a 15-month old were shot in a suspected gang shooting in Minneapolis and they didn't seem to care about that while they were rioting. Hell I had to dig for that article while Castile stories dominate the front page still.

 

[Johnnypenso]

http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/11/us/michigan-courthouse-shooting/index.html

Two bailiffs and a suspect are dead after a courthouse shooting in St. Joseph, Michigan, Berrien County sheriff's Lt. Paul Bailey said.Bailey said the shooting happened on the third floor of the courthouse. Members of the public "went for shelter once the shooting occurred and brave officers were able to come to the rescue and bring the shooter down," Bailey said at a news conference on Monday afternoon.
A deputy and a civilian also were shot and sustained non-life threatening injuries, Bailey said. They are being treated at Lakeland Health in St. Joseph and are in stable condition

 

[ryzno]

I can't find a safe or "creditable" site y'all trust for a link but... Atlanta officials will start a curfew and call in the National Guard if protestors in Atlanta do not stop blocking major highways and "provoking" police officers. Shall we say Martial Law? Figured I'd move it here.

 

[Northstar]

Shall we say Martial Law? Figured I'd move it here.

Not really since they create a very serious safety risk when they do block off major highways.

 

[Harry6784]

I can't find a safe or "creditable" site y'all trust for a link but... Atlanta officials will start a curfew and call in the National Guard if protestors in Atlanta do not stop blocking major highways and "provoking" police officers. Shall we say Martial Law? Figured I'd move it here.

I never understood this form of "protesting". Hold signs and voicing their opinions, fair enough. But blocking public roads, provoking law enforcement officers and putting everyone in danger is just stupid and does nothing for their "cause", which is based on a myth anyway.

This whole BLM moment is a disgrace and I salute the brave men and women and stand with the thin blue line separating order from complete anarchy despite all the hate and violence directed towards them. Dallas Police Chief David Brown put it perfectly:

You won't see me walking past an officer without grabbing them and hugging them and shaking their hand and telling them how grateful I am for their commitment and sacrifice. Become a part of the solution. Serve your communities. Don't be a part of the problem. We're hiring. (laughter) We're hiring. Get off that protest line and put an application in, and we'll put you in your neighborhood and we will help you resolve some of the problems you're protesting about.

Full excerpt here

 

[fumunaplz]

The best we can do is take away their power, we can only do that by being a responsible people who no longer need their far to reaching hand. That is a proper way to wage war, not killing innocent people for crying out loud.

If you want to rely on others for protection you will have to take them as they come, how about not killing one another over a dime bag of pot? We do not need them, not if we start being better people.

 

[05XR8]

Let's go back and read what you asked.




I'm not missing anything. Look above. That video shows people with a sign saying Black Lives Matter whilst shouting "Kill Cops". We can share the Dartmouth College incident next as well, where people are shouting "Black Lives Matter" and then spewing racist remarks against white.

So yes, I am going to group them together because they're doing it together.

And you can put your, Bring-up-the-past card back in the deck. I'm not going to entertain such a subtle jab that all of America supported hanging black people.

No, it's the movement that's become a pest to society. More and more people are getting fed up with it because it has no organization or leaders to police it.

We should be asking your movement that, since it's against police brutality and not black-on-black crime.

They are.

You're assuming it's my movement. I don't hashtag anything.
I start my love for one another at home. It's how I was raised. It's why everyone I come in contact with, I give respect. To those that don't want it, that's on them.

I have family and friends that march and are active in many communities. I don't know where you're from. Maybe you only watch tv and videos and you're not active in any community. Or may be have never been. I don't know. I have. So you only see these people marching in hate. Maybe you don't see the people that use Black Lives Matter for change. I do.

You're missing the point as well. You can't group everyone in every damn thing. Killing anyone is not acceptable. So, I guess in your heart, if you feel to group everyone in the same pot, add some more to your list:
http://bringmethenews.com/2016/07/1...ame-after-players-black-lives-matter-message/

I'll speak your language so you can understand. You can not group all people.
http://edition.cnn.com/videos/us/20...r-nccorig.cnn0238PMVideoVideo&linkId=26433054

 

[Northstar]

Maybe you don't see the people that use Black Lives Matter for change. I do.

I don't follow their every move and I'm not on the usual social media sites so I may be missing something. But I have yet to see the BLM movement do anything that actually makes the name fit. Where are the houses of poor black people they've fixed up? How about inner city parks, have they cleaned them up? Libraries? Schools? Community Centers? Maybe there's cars they've repaired pro bono so black people can travel safely? Perhaps they've organized some youth groups in an attempt to prevent them from joining gangs?

Have they done any of those things? Or have they just done the protest thing?

That's my biggest problem with the BLM movement right there. They have grown into an extremely large movement, yet they haven't really done much more than protest police violence. Sure that's a great start, but they could accomplish so much more than that.

 

[Joey D]

Totally agree @Northstar. Seems like if they truly thought black lives mattered they would be working to improve the lives of those who are still alive.

 

[McLaren]

You're missing the point as well. You can't group everyone in every damn thing. Killing anyone is not acceptable. So, I guess in your heart, if you feel to group everyone in the same pot, add some more to your list:
http://bringmethenews.com/2016/07/1...ame-after-players-black-lives-matter-message/

I'll speak your language so you can understand. You can not group all people.
http://edition.cnn.com/videos/us/20...r-nccorig.cnn0238PMVideoVideo&linkId=26433054

No, you're the one missing the point repeatedly. It doesn't matter what goody goody deeds you or your references do.

Why? Because BLM has no leader nor organization, & as long as people in that movement refuse to distance themselves from all the idiots, you will rightfully be judged as one of them. If you and all the people you claim use BLM for change, then start doing it under a different name. It has become a tainted movement far too overshadowed by all these people who do nothing but think the idea of protesting is disrupting the lives of others. You and these so called people you bring up are now a minority and are hidden; your voice and your actions will never come to light as long as you do it under Black Lives Matter. You can post all the positive links you like, you're far too outnumbered by the negative ones that didn't just happen in the last 3 days.

That's the bottom line. As Northstar has correctly pointed out, Black Lives Matter has accomplished nothing because all it does is protest against police brutality, & in certain demonstrations, it's ironically with brutality and violence right back. And they always protest immediately following the deaths; facts never seem to mean anything and by the time they're out, all the protestors do is cry nonsense.

People going out into busy freeways, calling people racist for opposing them, and idiots like this woman speaking on the movement's behalf do nothing to showcase whatever positive changes you may think have been done.

A Black Lives Matter activist from Chicago argued during a heated Kelly File discussion that American police forces should be abolished.

"Here are the solutions. We need to abolish the police, period. Demilitarize the police, disarm the police, and we need to come up with community solutions for transformative justice," said Jessica Disu, drawing some shocked reactions.

The conversation started with Megyn Kelly asking the panel - which included Black Rights Matter supporters, law enforcement officers, conservative commentators and religious leaders - about some who praised the Dallas gunman.

Disu, who described herself as a community organizer, said that Black Lives Matter has never called for violence against anyone.

She did not comment when Kelly pointed out that some protesters have called for "dead cops."

Megyn Kelly asked her how citizens would be protected if police forces were "abolished."

"We need to come up with community solutions. The police force in this country began as slave patrol," Disu argued.

Ron Hosko, former FBI assistant director, said the country needs "leadership," and to seriously invest in police like we invest in "critical infrastructure."

Hosko said constitutional policing and a culture of compliance cannot happen on "shoestring" budgets.

Tom Verni, a retired NYPD officer, called on Disu to "get back to reality," arguing that the United States is "doomed" unless it roots out racism, homophobia and sexism in general.

http://insider.foxnews.com/2016/07/12/chicago-blm-activist-we-need-abolish-police
Take a moment to watch the whole video in the link as well to witness this dumbass in action. Talking over everyone, interrupting everybody else, crazy hand gestures, her supporters hollering behind her. These are the people who claim to speak for the movement, and nobody tells them to shut up, they're wrong, we don't agree with her.

Here's a fun fact for this woman; this already nearly happened during the Baltimore riots. There was a period where police presence was limited and they backed off from the riots. Guess who started getting criticized for not helping the community when these people were acting like fools? The police.

Have you gotten the message yet? This movement has done more harm than good for whatever goals it originally set out for. It needs a Martin Luther King Jr. to lead it back, or whatever good deeds people may be doing under it will always be overshadowed. If you're witnessing people create change, good for you. Now have those people take a note from the Muslims; get your community leaders out in front of the media & condemn the idiots who march under the BLM banner.

Now, after all these months of seeing this stuff, I try to ignore any news or coverage about BLM because it is never positive. Today, I was unfortunately shown its followers do nothing in Dallas but disrupt daily lives & piss people off. So, for my sake here, I'll attempt to leave it at this b/c like all those folks stuck in traffic waiting for these people to be done breaking the law for their protest, I would prefer it now-a-days if BLM and I had nothing to do with each other.

 

[prousonhairy]

Charles Barkley has an interesting opinion on it. He's never one to keep his mouth shut, but I find myself agreeing with a lot of things he says. It's pretty much common sense.

http://ftw.usatoday.com/2016/07/cha...ootings-baton-rouge-dallas-minnesota-tnt-nba/

 

[Formula1269]

Won't be long before Congress just says "no more guns" and outlaws our rights cause of this stuff.

That'd be great.