The "war on police" in America

[05XR8]

I don't follow their every move and I'm not on the usual social media sites so I may be missing something. But I have yet to see the BLM movement do anything that actually makes the name fit. Where are the houses of poor black people they've fixed up? How about inner city parks, have they cleaned them up? Libraries? Schools? Community Centers? Maybe there's cars they've repaired pro bono so black people can travel safely? Perhaps they've organized some youth groups in an attempt to prevent them from joining gangs?

Have they done any of those things? Or have they just done the protest thing?

That's my biggest problem with the BLM movement right there. They have grown into an extremely large movement, yet they haven't really done much more than protest police violence. Sure that's a great start, but they could accomplish so much more than that.

Meme's won't save you. In short, any protest doesn't do much. North America only deals in money. This is nothing new. When people stop buying Nike and go on strike and spend money at their local mom and pop stores, then the powers that be start listening. I'm not broadcasting my friends protesting police violence and in support of families of those officers that have died with their private videos. I'm telling you what I see.

You won't see any of that stuff you mentioned because there is no money. How can homes be rebuilt when they don't own the homes and land? Gentrification. Look it up.

I'm telling you about the positive Black Lives Matter movement. You're only seeing the negative side. What the media spin. I know what is going on.

A short story about the police department. If you didn't know, were made to watch over slaves and to protect rich people's property(in North America any way). Look at Civil rights movements in the 60's. See how police were used in those instances. This was not long ago. No way 300-400 years of hate will be wiped away in 40-50 years.

This is not about us vs them . Black communities vs cops. This is about society continuing to allow this to happen. From the powers that be, giving cops power, like what Giuliani did(Stop and Frisk anyone that moves). When Giuliani did(was allowed to do) this, poor neighborhoods got cleaned up and affluent people began buying up abandoned buildings and money stated coming back in.
I watched crack neighborhoods transformed into new suburbs. Unfortunately, places that poor people could not afford to own.

These incidents are not about color. Black or blue. It's about society accepting and allowing the powers that be, to continue oppressing people.

Another thing, tell any person of Jewish faith, to forget the holocaust. And people want black folk to forget slavery and move on.

 

[stonesfan129]

That'd be great.

My post was probably out of place and should have been in the "Guns" thread. Let's carry on the conversation there if you feel up to it.

 

[Johnnypenso]

Another thing, tell any person of Jewish faith, to forget the holocaust. And people want black folk to forget slavery and move on.

The Jews didn't forget the holocaust, nor should black people forget slavery. But the Jews did move on. American and Canadian Japanese got past internment camps. There's a big difference between remembering and learning vs. dwelling on something that happened 150 years ago and attempting to relate it to things happening today.

 

[stonesfan129]

The Jews didn't forget the holocaust, nor should black people forget slavery. But the Jews did move on. American and Canadian Japanese got past internment camps. There's a big difference between remembering and learning vs. dwelling on something that happened 150 years ago and attempting to relate it to things happening today.

Because the generations living today weren't victims of these things. Italian-Americans have been the subject of lots of prejudice in the United States too. It's not like those groups named above are the only ones who had it tough.

 

[Johnnypenso]

Because the generations living today weren't victims of these things. Italian-Americans have been the subject of lots of prejudice in the United States too. It's not like those groups named above are the only ones who had it tough.

Very true. I think pretty much everyone that got off a boat from the old country, whichever country that may be, had it pretty rough in the first couple of hundred years. It's not like the Irish or Italians or Chinese or anyone else was welcomed with open arms back in the day. And before anyone chimes in, I'm not equating getting off a boat as a destitute and desperate immigrant is the same as coming here as a slave, just pointing out that not very many people arrived in the U.S. to open arms, a bouquet of flowers and a box of bonbons. I think it's fair to say that coming together as a community and hard work were their keys to success.

 

[05XR8]

...buuuuut, what about the natives? Natives were wiped out and today, are being killed by police and native American females are vanishing. It's appalling. Who is speaking up for them? Black people are. In matters of black & Brown and Asians, black people know this.

The amount of white people shot by police, are anyone in this communities speaking up? Black people are, by making people aware that it is time for this to stop. People can not rely on the media to do it. Everyone need to be in on this. You must see that white people who are the majority who have more of the money, who make all of the decisions and who allow these things to continue because at least it's not happening where they live, need to stand up.

 

[fumunaplz]

...buuuuut, what about the natives? Natives were wiped out and today, are being killed by police and native American females are vanishing. It's appalling. Who is speaking up for them? Black people are. In matters of black & Brown and Asians, black people know this.

Erm what?

If Natives have been wiped out how can they be killed and vanished today? You do not have any idea what you are talking about, I have to ask for some citation of what you speak of.

 

[stonesfan129]

...buuuuut, what about the natives? Natives were wiped out and today, are being killed by police and native American females are vanishing.

Vanishing? Where are they going? I think you are insinuating that it is wrong for them to marry to whites and assimilate into white American culture.

You must see that white people who are the majority who have more of the money, who make all of the decisions and who allow these things to continue because at least it's not happening where they live, need to stand up.

I'm a white man. I don't have piles of cash. I don't make all of the decisions. I have a roof over my head, clothes, food and nice things because I worked for them. "Black Lives Matter" is a bunch of whiners who think they are owed by society.

Yes, I am not happy about police violence. I know two former police officers (one is retired). I know that there are bad apples out there. But look at what happened with Trayvon Martin, Michael Brown, the whole "hands up, don't shoot" being a total lie. It's not hard to understand why a lot of people dismiss Black Lives Matter as a bunch of racist rioters.

 

[05XR8]

Vanishing? Where are they going? I think you are insinuating that it is wrong for them to marry to whites and assimilate into white American culture.



I'm white. I don't have piles of cash. I don't make all of the decisions. I have a roof over my head, clothes, food and nice things because I worked for them. I think "Black Lives Matter" is a bunch of whiners who think they are owed by society.

Yes, I am not happy about police violence. I knew two former police officers (one is retired). I know that there are bad apples out there. But look at what happened with Trayvon Martin, Michael Brown, the whole "hands up, don't shoot" being a total lie. It's not hard to understand why a lot of people dismiss Black Lives Matter as a bunch of racist rioters.

You missed the affluent part. Read again.
Proof read your posts. Your last two sentences are not making sense.

Anyway, be safe out there people.

 

[zzz_pt]

...buuuuut, what about the natives? Natives were wiped out and today, are being killed by police and native American females are vanishing. It's appalling. Who is speaking up for them? Black people are. In matters of black & Brown and Asians, black people know this.

The amount of white people shot by police, are anyone in this communities speaking up? Black people are, by making people aware that it is time for this to stop. People can not rely on the media to do it. Everyone need to be in on this. You must see that white people who are the majority who have more of the money, who make all of the decisions and who allow these things to continue because at least it's not happening where they live, need to stand up.

What about them? The people who lived in North America when the europeans got there? Do you think those "natives" didn't kill other "natives" who lived across north (and south) America before them? Tribes were already fighting against each other over land and resources. They probably wiped out entire "native" tribes in the process. This happened centuries ago. Is History, life goes on. Everyone knows what happened.

You're talking about native american females as they were some kind of engendered animal species. Humans are humans, they live and die and it shouldn't be relevant if they are native americans, white, black, blue or green. Did they live a happy and productive life? Cool. Did they chose to have kids with a black or a white dude? Great for them.

The great majority of black people being killed are being killed by other black people. Where's the anger and where are the riots to challenge and change that fact? Anywhere. Also Police have killed more white people than black people in the last 2 years (at least). Do you know the name of any of those white individuals? If you know, you're the exception. No one knows who they were except their families and friends.

The numbers will go down if people stop resisting arrest. Shouldn't be that hard. But what do I know... I'm european.

 

[Danoff]

What you said:

You must see that white people who are the majority who have more of the money, who make all of the decisions and who allow these things to continue because at least it's not happening where they live, need to stand up.

What I read:

You must see that white people who are the majority who [racist stuff], who [racist stuff] and [racist stuff]

 

[Joey D]

A short story about the police department. If you didn't know, were made to watch over slaves and to protect rich people's property(in North America any way). Look at Civil rights movements in the 60's. See how police were used in those instances. This was not long ago. No way 300-400 years of hate will be wiped away in 40-50 years.

That's not entirely true. Some departments in the south took that road, but police forces in general were starter by volunteers in the northern states and were mostly fully of people who wanted to avoid being assigned to military duty. Starting in 1838 Boston, New York City, Albany, and Chicago were the first large cities to have police forces, all in states where owning slaves wasn't legal.

This is not about us vs them . Black communities vs cops. This is about society continuing to allow this to happen. From the powers that be, giving cops power, like what Giuliani did(Stop and Frisk anyone that moves). When Giuliani did(was allowed to do) this, poor neighborhoods got cleaned up and affluent people began buying up abandoned buildings and money stated coming back in.
I watched crack neighborhoods transformed into new suburbs. Unfortunately, places that poor people could not afford to own.

There are so few police officers that actually abuse their power I don't really think it's a problem worth protesting or even working to eradicate. Think how many officers there are in the US, now think about how many BLM protests there have been over police shootings. The number is so low that statistically they should be protesting over lightening strikes killing blacks instead of cops.

And most of this could be avoid by just complying with officers. If they tell you to put your hands up and freeze then just do it. If you don't agree with the reason for the arrest then fight it after the fact when there's less adrenaline and all the pieces are available for analysis.

Another thing, tell any person of Jewish faith, to forget the holocaust. And people want black folk to forget slavery and move on.

My wife's whole side of the family is Jewish, her grandparents were in camps during the war, many of her relatives were killed during the war and guess what no one in the family thinks they are owed anything because of it. They move on with their lives, remember those who died, and speak out against Neo-Nazi organization but they don't block streets, shoot anyone, or even complain loudly on TV. Blacks should remember their history but they should never dwell on it.

 

[fumunaplz]

The conversation is shifting towards class warfare it seems. With that in mind I have to wonder if our President is considered affluent and if so how does that affect the conversation.

 

[McLaren]

...buuuuut, what about the natives? Natives were wiped out and today, are being killed by police and native American females are vanishing. It's appalling. Who is speaking up for them? Black people are. In matters of black & Brown and Asians, black people know this.

Please, share with us which minority group it is that can basically act as its own limited self-government on their own land as long as they don't overstep the US Government? A minority that is allowed to even have its own police force and laws on said lands?

Hint hint:

The Natives seem to be doing pretty good these days getting the ol' white devil to give millions and millions of dollars back to them. And the Jews are constantly stereotyped as greedy people who control much of the 1st world.

Is that why people like bringing up slavery? Because all the other minorities got theirs?

 

[fumunaplz]

Not only do native indians in the u.s. have sovereignty and success, they are also patriots of the united states and fly the flag with pride.

Any attempt to victimize them is a joke, they know what the past is and what the present is.

 

[Northstar]

Meme's won't save you.

I wasn't aware I was in need of saving but whatever.

I'm telling you what I see.

I'm not asking you to broadcast something against someones wishes. So far all you have said is there is a positive side and that's about it. Any examples? Stories?

You won't see any of that stuff you mentioned because there is no money.

Tidal donated $1.5 million earlier this year and Kickstarter is still a thing. Don't tell me there is no money.

Plus, not everything on there requires money, things like cleaning up a park or forming a youth group just take time.

How can homes be rebuilt when they don't own the homes and land? Gentrification. Look it up.

You don't have to own a house to fix it up.

I know what is going on.

And? Seriously, we're waiting....

Another thing, tell any person of Jewish faith, to forget the holocaust. And people want black folk to forget slavery and move on.

Since you shared a story I will share one as well.

My grandma lived in Germany until the mid 1960's and my aunt was born there, meaning she was very much alive during WWII (She's very reluctant to talk about it so I don't know much past the fact she was there). If anyone has the right to be pissed at me based on my background I would say the Jews have a pretty good case. Yet, even after learning about this fact, I've never experienced hostile feelings from a Jewish person.

So no, I don't expect anyone to forget the holocaust, slavery, internment or any of the other atrocious things the human race has come up with. But it's extremely ridiculous to blame people that were still 2-3 generations away from being born for those things.

...buuuuut, what about the natives? Natives were wiped out and today, are being killed by police and native American females are vanishing. It's appalling. Who is speaking up for them? Black people are.

About a year ago a Native American man was shot and killed by police here. It sparked a Native Lives Matter group and they tried organizing some protests. It was almost as depressing as that girls birthday party nobody showed up to. There was no BLM protests going on at the same time so where was everybody?

Why than, if they are speaking for all minorities, do they not protest everytime a Mexican, Asian or Native American gets killed by a cop?[/quote]

 

[stonesfan129]

You missed the affluent part. Read again.
Proof read your posts. Your last two sentences are not making sense.

Anyway, be safe out there people.

Explain exactly which part I missed.

05XR8
Another thing, tell any person of Jewish faith, to forget the holocaust. And people want black folk to forget slavery and move on.

There are still many living victims of the Holocaust. There are no living victims or perpetrators of slavery when it was legal in the United States. I'm not saying forget about it. I'm saying stop thinking that you are owed something because of it, and move on with your life.

 

[Dotini]

It is noticeable that police officers and police chiefs around the country are beginning to say the BLM movement is a racist, terrorist or hate movement.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/14/u...m-view-of-race-relations-poll-finds.html?_r=0
Sixty-nine percent of Americans say race relations are generally bad, one of the highest levels of discord since the 1992 riots in Los Angeles during the Rodney King case, according to the latest New York Times/CBS News poll.

The poll, conducted from Friday, the day after the killing of five Dallas police officers, until Tuesday, found that six in 10 Americans say race relations were growing worse, up from 38 percent a year ago.

Racial discontent is at its highest point in the Obama presidency and at the same level as after the riots touched off by the 1992 acquittal of Los Angeles police officers charged in Mr. King’s beating.

Relations between black Americans and the police have become so brittle that more than half of black people say they were not surprised by the attack that killed five police officers and wounded nine others in Dallas last week. Nearly half of white Americans say that they, too, were unsurprised by the episode, the survey found.

 

[Formula1269]

There is no war on police. Police departments across the country need to do a better job in not recruiting and weeding out racist cops.

 

[Danoff]

There is no war on police. Police departments across the country need to do a better job in not recruiting and weeding out racist cops.

Yea, nobody tries to kill cops because they're cops. And all the innocent white people cops kill make no difference when it comes to assuming cops are racist when they kill a black person. You're well trained.

 

[stonesfan129]

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...ing-guns-to-gop-convention-if-law-allows.html

Members of the controversial "black power" group the New Black Panther Party plan to pack legal heat when they hold rallies in Cleveland in conjunction with next week's Republican convention if the law allows, the group's chairman said.

Why are these guys even showing up there, much less with weapons?

 

[McLaren]

Didn't the Dallas shooter have ties to that group? Or at the least, seen with some of them?

 

[05XR8]

I already mentioned the media spins everything. The "more cops kill white people" statistic is because, white people are the majority in North America and that's sickening. Why aren't people posting about that? Black Lives Matter has raised more discussion and brought more people out to stand up against killing people in all communities. It focuses on the Black community because who will stand up for those communities? For those that don't know North American history, black people have only gained full "rights"(free) as a North Americans, in the past 40-46 years. This comes after being there 396 years. The Constitution was penned while the states were still in slavery. North America was built by the hands of slaves.

Cops need to break down that blue wall and snitch. Expose the racist(white, black, asian, latino, etc) cops that are hurting communities. Some bad cops get fired yet, they are allowed to find work in other states. That's what it comes down to. There is no accountability for cops.
As well, Black & brown communities need to start filming when someone in the community is attacked by a neighbor.

Isn't there a law being passed in Minnesota to try and block people from seeing police dash cam and body videos?
Here we go with Obama is to blame... for North America's woes.

I know what is going on.

And? Seriously, we're waiting....

Excuse me, I forget I have to explain things for some. I'm staying informed by people who are active in their communities, who are marching, who are in entertainment in North America, by my brother who is being kept up to date by his brothers and in blue.

 

[Northstar]

Black Lives Matter has raised more discussion and brought more people out to stand up against killing people in all communities.

But shootings haven't exactly stopped as police really aren't the leading cause of sudden lead overdoses in the black community. Which isn't something BLM has addressed and is something they usually get pissy about if you bring it up.

Isn't there a law being passed in Minnesota to try and block people from seeing police dash cam and body videos?

Yes and no. Here is what the law that was passed in May does.

• Allows the general public to see body-camera footage only if an officer in it causes someone substantial bodily harm.
• Would allow anyone in a nonpublic video to watch it and choose to make it public, after active investigations are done, and after anyone in the video who doesn’t want to be seen — other than a police officer — gets an option to blur their image.
• Would require, as of Aug. 1, any department using body cameras to have a written, posted policy conforming with state law, and allow the public a chance to comment before the policy is implemented, and before any equipment is bought.

 

[prousonhairy]

There's warnings about some kind of "day of rage" protests tomorrow supposed to occur in certain cities. Scott Air Force base, close to St Louis issued the warning, and is advising people not to be around the Arch at 6pm tomorrow. Sounds like a fun time:

Scott Air Force Base posts warning over possible 'Day of Rage' in St. Louis
http://via.fox2now.com/WYhFt

 

[Joey D]

The "more cops kill white people" statistic is because, white people are the majority in North America and that's sickening.

That might be the most racist thing ever typed in this thread. It really sickens you that whites are the majority in North America? You do know you're free to leave this country anytime you wish if the color of people makes you ill.

 

[DK]

That might be the most racist thing ever typed in this thread. It really sickens you that whites are the majority in North America? You do know you're free to leave this country anytime you wish if the color of people makes you ill.

Did you even read the next sentence?

Why aren't people posting about [white people getting shot by cops]?

 

[Joey D]

Did you even read the next sentence?

I did, but reading it how he wrote it, it implies that white's being the majority in North America is sickening. If it's a grammar mistake, then I'll retract my statement since we all do that, but all I'm doing now is taking it at face value.

 

[McLaren]

The "more cops kill white people" statistic is because, white people are the majority in North America and that's sickening. Why aren't people posting about that?

Because, like the Latino communities, if we see whites getting shot by the police, we usually find out pretty quickly they did something stupid and won a stupid prize.

We don't prop up people who become revealed as criminals with long rap sheets as heroes.

Cops need to break down that blue wall and snitch. Expose the racist(white, black, asian, latino, etc) cops that are hurting communities. Some bad cops get fired yet, they are allowed to find work in other states. That's what it comes down to. There is no accountability for cops.

That's ironic considering parts of the black community are only group of people in the US who don't advocate snitching. Like the man whose son was shot by gangbangers, but wouldn't give up the names of the people he thought did it because, "his community handles their own business".

Snitches get stitches, and all that nonsense.

 

[ryzno]

That's ironic considering parts of the black community are only group of people in the US who don't advocate snitching. Like the man whose son was shot by gangbangers, but wouldn't give up the names of the people he thought did it because, "his community handles their own business".

Snitches get stitches, and all that nonsense.

That's called hood justice.