The "war on police" in America

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

This cynical "I'm the only person in this world with any integrity" shtick of yours is getting pretty old. What happened in Dallas was heart-breaking, and John Legend or LeBron James are equally as capable of feeling that way as you and I are. Give it a rest.

Don't worry he'll make a celeb thread about it, praising how they did so well. He's working things out.

 

[Johnnypenso]

Don't worry he'll make a celeb thread about it, praising how they did so well. He's working things out.

In b4 "Finally Iggy Azalea Tweets Something I Agree With."?

 

[Pupik]

What a bunch of self-aggrandizing/egotistical turds...one day they have no problem bad mouthing cops without knowing the facts now all of sudden they're now supporting the?

http://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity...o-dallas-police-officers-being-killed-w212409

Mark my word but the next time you hear of someone being shot by a cop they'll just go right on back to bad mouthing cops again.

I think you have an extremely difficult time understanding that famous people get to discuss their views primarily through TV, newspaper, magazines, and radio; while "common folk" get to use the Internet to hash out their opinions. Would you prefer if people famous-for-being-famous only talked about their wealth and fame, or does it harm you that they might have their own opinions about the same daily crap on this warped and tilted wet sphere we all dwell upon?

Why is that such a huge problem for you to grasp, and why the double standard? You could always go start your own publishing firm and create your own media empire, and use it stoke fires with the kindling of imaginary and minuscule problems.

Isolated incidents do not equal a War On Police nor a "war on [anything else]", and it's closed-minded and solipsistic to think so. What has happened over the past few days is tragic...for everyone. To desire to be treated fairly is a right when you've committed no serious wrongs.

 

[justin credible]

Just read the OP, These people who carry out un-associated murders are off their heads mad. So one policeman is a bad dude that makes all policemen bad is their way of thinking is what I assume by the acts.
And I thought we supposed to civilised.

 

[Johnnypenso]

http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/...cle_2def1b64-a632-5ea7-b5f0-031f4dd1bce3.html

A Ballwin Police officer was in critical condition after he was shot in the neck during a traffic stop late Friday morning, police said. The male officer had stopped the car for speeding on northbound New Ballwin Road about 11 a.m., police said. As the officer went back to his car, the driver got out, "advanced quickly" and fired three shots at the officer, police said. Said St. Louis County Police Chief Jon Belmar: "Make no mistake, we believe that Ballwin officer was ambushed."

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/cops-tennessee-shooter-targeted-white-victims-similar-to-dallas-ambush/

A Bristol, Tennessee, police officer was shot by a man who allegedly killed one other person and injured two others. Preliminary findings by the Tennessee Bureau of Investigations (TBI) indicate the suspect, 37,year-old Lakeem Keon Scott may have been targeting people and officers because he was “troubled by recent events involving African-Americans and law enforcement officers in other parts of the country.” Soctt was armed with a semi-automatic rifle and a pistol, a local CBS affiliate reported. This shooting took place on Thursday morning, before the Dallas shooting took place.

http://www.11alive.com/news/local/georgia-police-officer-shot-multiple-times-this-morning/267824041

A police officer was shot while responding to a damage to property call at an apartment complex Friday morning. The call came in just before 8:00 to the Three Oaks Apartments in Valdosta. According to the Georgia Bureau of Investigation, which has been called in to take over the investigation, Valdosta Police Officer Randal Hancock responded to a call of a break-in at the complex. The caller, identified by the GBI as 22-year-old Stephen Paul Beck, said his car had been broken into. As Hancock exited his patrol car, the GBI said he was fired upon. Hancock was struck twice in his protective vest and once beneath the vest in the abdomen area, according to the GBI.

http://www.wsbtv.com/news/local/nor...at-roswell-officer-suspect-arrested/392087339

A suspect is under arrest after police say a Roswell officer was shot at during a patrol early Friday morning. Officer Brian McKenzie was in the area of Old Roswell Road and Commerce Parkway when police say a passing vehicle fired a shot at the McKenzie's patrol car. "He noticed a vehicle slow down and then heard what he thought was either gunfire or fireworks. He looked over and realized it was gunfire coming towards him,” said Roswell police official Zachary Frommer.

 

[stonesfan129]

I was surprised Obama blamed access to guns for the Dallas attack but didn't once blame Black Lives Matter.

 

[mister dog]

I was surprised Obama blamed access to guns for the Dallas attack but didn't once blame Black Lives Matter.

Which is a point in Paul's video too here:



I know i keep on posting his vids, but i gotta say i almost always agree with him. In this particular case, despite the police shooting people way too fast in the states and i fully condemn that, BLM was working up to this point. So sadly no surprise one lunatic went out and actually did it.

 

[dxm8975]

Golly, what a terrifying and heart-rending news of the bloody shooting again.... Seems like America is still bugged with problems regarding biases of those some witless White people toward the Black, even though supposedly it was an ambush as the retribution toward the shootings by the white policemen.

http://edition.cnn.com/2016/07/08/us/philando-castile-alton-sterling-protests/index.html

New CNN article suggesting the suspect being a "military veteran" who has served in Afghanistan, but no link detected with any of the Islamic extremist groups or ISIS.

The article also contains two of the Live stream videos of the bloody shooting in Minnesota and Baton Rouge.

 

[prisonermonkeys]

I was surprised Obama blamed access to guns for the Dallas attack but didn't once blame Black Lives Matter.

I'm surprised nobody is blaming the guy who pulled the trigger.

 

[Northstar]

I'm surprised nobody is blaming the guy who pulled the trigger.

That's not how U.S. media works, unfortunately. They'll make sure to dig up all kinds of info on him though thus making his "mission" of gaining attention a success.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

That's not how U.S. media works, unfortunately. They'll make sure to dig up all kinds of info on him though thus making his "mission" of gaining attention a success.

To be honest I don't think these guys (unless your James Holmes or the Tuscon shooter) ever do it for attention, I feel in these cases they do it to actually kill an intended group of people. The notoriety issue falls strictly on the media that plays into it cause it helps them get more attention due to them reporting on it. It's completely fine to report the story, but we don't need every anchor having a breakdown of his life and so on.

 

[Chrunch Houston]

I find the way this whole thing ended to be a bit shocking. Who uses a robot with a bomb to blow up a suspect? That seems a bit hard core, even for Texas.

I don't know why they couldn't have just waited him out. He wasn't going anywhere. I would have much preferred he stand trial and then die the old fashioned way, by lethal injection.

 

[McLaren]

I find the way this whole thing ended to be a bit shocking. Who uses a robot with a bomb to blow up a suspect? That seems a bit hard core, even for Texas.

I don't know why they couldn't have just waited him out. He wasn't going anywhere. I would have much preferred he stand trial and then die the old fashioned way, by lethal injection.

They negotiated for 2 hours; the man refused to cooperate and said he would continue to kill officers. With the added risk of claiming to have bombs, they seemingly decided a robot would put no more officers at risk.

After what this man did, couldn't care less if a bomb killed him. I don't think the guy had any plan to survive this.

 

[Chrunch Houston]

They negotiated for 2 hours; the man refused to cooperate and said he would continue to kill officers. With the added risk of claiming to have bombs, they seemingly decided a robot would put no more officers at risk.

After what this man did, couldn't care less if a bomb killed him. I don't think the guy had any plan to survive this.

I guess, I just have a problem with a city government deciding it is OK to kill someone with explosives. No matter what the crime.

If the order came from, and was carried out by the Texas National Guard, I guess I would have less of a problem.

 

[prisonermonkeys]

I find the way this whole thing ended to be a bit shocking. Who uses a robot with a bomb to blow up a suspect? That seems a bit hard core, even for Texas.

Yeah, it's pretty extreme.

 

[Sanji Himura]

Yeah, it's pretty extreme.

But necessary. I remember vaguely the North Hollywood Shootout back in 1997, where the LAPD was placed in a similar situation against two bank robbers. Thankfully, no officers were killed in that incident, but it does go to show that some times suspects are not willing to surrender, hence the term, Suicide by cop.

 

[Chrunch Houston]

But necessary. I remember vaguely the North Hollywood Shootout back in 1997, where the LAPD was placed in a similar situation against two bank robbers. Thankfully, no officers were killed in that incident, but it does go to show that some times suspects are not willing to surrender, hence the term, Suicide by cop.

Yeah, but this guy was cornered. He wasn't going anywhere. Swat standoffs here in Houston often last seven, or twelve hours or more.

How about a robot with tear gas? But a bomb? I have always heard that people from Dallas were rude*, but I never expected this.

*Compared to Houstonians

 

[alonsof1fan91]

I was surprised Obama blamed access to guns for the Dallas attack but didn't once blame Black Lives Matter.

Atleast he didn't say that the shooter could have been his son.

 

[Dennisch]

I find the way this whole thing ended to be a bit shocking. Who uses a robot with a bomb to blow up a suspect? That seems a bit hard core, even for Texas.

The robot was making his way towards the suspect, while blasting the Team America theme song.

 

[05XR8]

There is a past video showing S.W.A.T. waiting out a man pointing a gun at officers(no one shot him at this stage), pointing at the helicopter above and waving the gun around while walking around in a park.

S.W.A.T. did not move in on the gunman. 1(one) shot was fired by an officer. The gunman went down. S.W.A.T. did not move. The gunman got up and staggered around. When the gunman grew weary. Then, S.W.A.T. moved in. None of the men shot recently, got that chance. None of the men shot got a chance to deescalate the situation.

My brother is a retired NYPD Highway One cop. I've been pulled over many times. Some for speeding and some for my skin tone. From The Bronx, a Brooklyn and Queens to Upstate NY. Virginia, Florida and in between. I'm alive and well because, when I was stopped, I already had the engine off, windows down, interior light was on(at night), wallet out and both hands on the wheel. All this before the officer got out of the car.

Now, detonating a bomb. Let's be real. When standoffs take place in a home. There is usually a plan. Doesn't end well for the suspect but, law enforcement do try to take the suspect by force. Not pyrotechnics. I don't see KKK members being blown up and they want to kill and have killed and still kill, all kinds of people.

Killing a cop, is the same as killing a family man. No two ways about it.

 

[Johnnypenso]

People turned out to show support:

Governor's residence:

 

[Sanji Himura]

There is a past video showing S.W.A.T. waiting out a man pointing a gun at officers(no one shot him at this stage), pointing at the helicopter above and waving the gun around while walking around in a park.

S.W.A.T. did not move in on the gunman. 1(one) shot was fired by an officer. The gunman went down. S.W.A.T. did not move. The gunman got up and staggered around. When the gunman grew weary. Then, S.W.A.T. moved in. None of the men shot recently, got that chance. None of the men shot got a chance to deescalate the situation.

My brother is a retired NYPD Highway One cop. I've been pulled over many times. Some for speeding and some for my skin tone. From The Bronx, a Brooklyn and Queens to Upstate NY. Virginia, Florida and in between. I'm alive and well because, when I was stopped, I already had the engine off, windows down, interior light was on(at night), wallet out and both hands on the wheel. All this before the officer got out of the car.

Now, detonating a bomb. Let's be real. When standoffs take place in a home. There is usually a plan. Doesn't end well for the suspect but, law enforcement do try to take the suspect by force. Not pyrotechnics. I don't see KKK members being blown up and they want to kill and have killed and still kill, all kinds of people.

Killing a cop, is the same as killing a family man. No two ways about it.

You also have to consider motive. That cop killer was still going to kill cops if left to his own devices, and nothing would have talked him out of it and surrendered. You can't just negotiate with mad men like that.

 

[Pupik]

I guess, I just have a problem with a city government deciding it is OK to kill someone with explosives. No matter what the crime.

If the order came from, and was carried out by the Texas National Guard, I guess I would have less of a problem.

I don't really see the difference: if deadly force is required, then the kind of weapon is immaterial if its intention is to remove (and only remove) the offender. Isn't that the point of self defense; whether fists, shovel, nail gun, automobile, bomb, automatic firearm, or sharks with laser beams?

If a city government was using a bomb to collect overdue ad valorem taxes, we're in trouble.

 

[Joey D]

So as much as it pains me to post a link to a conservative blog, it highlights a pretty good point with having the sources all in one convenient place.

https://theconservativetreehouse.co...lse-media-narrative-now-driving-cop-killings/

It looks like Philando Castile, the man shot by officer Jeronimo Yanez, was actually pulled over for a legitimate reason and contributed to his own death by failing to comply with the officer. It also looks like Castile may or may not have had his gun on him legally.

Whether all of it is true or not, I think it does illustrate that not everything is always as it seems. Of course there is bias in the article, but I do like seeing another side to the story.

From a personal observation, I have been pulled over because my vehicle matched the description of of an armed robbery suspect, and while it was scary, I can understand why the cops can get a little jumpy. It was late at night, my windows were tinted, and my vehicle matched the description of the vehicle of four armed people who had just held up and shot a store clerk within 15 miles of the place I was pulled over. My compliance put the officers at ease and it ended up being a non issue and I was free to go with apologies. If I would have been difficult then it might have ended differently.

I guess my biggest issue when it comes to these police shootings is that they could mostly be avoided by just complying with the officer and letting them sort out what's actually going on. Being difficult, and many of the times being difficult for the sake of being difficult, isn't going to help the situation.

 

[novcze]

I guess my biggest issue when it comes to these police shootings is that they could mostly be avoided by just complying with the officer and letting them sort out what's actually going on. Being difficult, and many of the times being difficult for the sake of being difficult, isn't going to help the situation.

This is true in every country, being difficult when dealing with police never helps. In the US it's even more complicated because every fool can have a gun and I don't blame police for their "trigger happy" approach, better be safe than dead.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

This is true in every country, being difficult when dealing with police never helps. In the US it's even more complicated because every fool can have a gun and I don't blame police for their "trigger happy" approach, better be safe than dead.

Not really the attitude to have considering many cases, in this case to me so far it seems the officer actually thought he was going to be shot at. I mean the video from the article shows quite the hyped up person after shooting and even explaining emotionally to the passenger why he did it.

 

[Jawehawk]

Not a fan of using robots, but at least the guy got what he deserved.

 

[05XR8]

You also have to consider motive. That cop killer was still going to kill cops if left to his own devices, and nothing would have talked him out of it and surrendered. You can't just negotiate with mad men like that.

A tacticle team of USA soldiers, were given the go ahead to take out Sadam Hussein. They flew in the dead of night. In a helicopter. Took out mad men, who would not negotiate. Found their man( who would not negotiate either), in a hole and brought him out alive. With mine and your taxpayer money. I guess times have changed.

Now I'm reading it may be used more in situations like this. It's like using drones. Maybe we'll see the real Chappy walking our streets in the near future.

 

[Carbonox]

I don't see what's so shocking or nasty about using the robot. Five officers had already been killed and the guy showed no signs of surrendering, so neutralizing him with minimal loss of additional human life should be seen as a logical solution more than anything else.

 

[Sanji Himura]

A tacticle team of USA soldiers, were given the go ahead to take out Sadam Hussein. They flew in the dead of night. In a helicopter. Took out mad men, who would not negotiate. Found their man( who would not negotiate either), in a hole and brought him out alive. With mine and your taxpayer money. I guess times have changed.

Now I'm reading it may be used more in situations like this. It's like using drones. Maybe we'll see the real Chappy walking our streets in the near future.

You are missing the critical difference, there were civilian lives at risk, as well as police. Tell me what would have happened if one stray bullet from the assassin's rifle were to hit an unarmed civilian as police were to talk to him to surrender?