The "war on police" in America

casey_2005
That's a bit like saying its hypocritical to be against slavery while living in a country that slavey was once a big part of. Or maybe the slavery example isn't the best but I think you can get my point.
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Makes sense, but you have the choice to own the dog, and sometimes no choice as to where you live.
 
Wolfe
Breed or size are no justification for anything.
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Of course they are. I don't think I'd have any trouble handling a Chihuahua, but a pitbull or rotty or other large aggressive dog is completely different. If you look at the stats on dog related fatalities, pit bulls are by far the most common breed on the list these last few years. Only a fool would treat them the same as a smaller, easier to handle animal

Those highly aggressive dogs are trained to be aggressive, while family pitbulls can play with small children. Some larger breeds aren't even territorial when it comes to the boundaries of the household, welcoming all strangers excitedly by nature.

Common sense advice for the Columbus Police Department (and others), particularly for an instance such as this.
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Of course highly aggressive dogs are trained that way, but pitbulls especially, have a history of being unpredictable and killing their owners or people known to them. Look at the first few incidents on the list for 2015, all pitbulls and most of them either the owner killed or a family member. Anyone who has a pitbull for a family pet is simply playing roulette with their children's, and their own lives.

casey_2005
Any dog can harm or kill if it attacks.
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Not a fully grown, alert adult in the kind of situation we're talking about. I can't see a chihuahua taking down a cop wearing a bulletproof vest.
Some more than others but if you're going to draw a line as to what dogs are dangerous to own and what dogs aren't it's gotta be that all dogs are dangerous. All it takes is one chomp into the eye from the world's smallest dog and you can lose sight in that eye. A lab could easily eat the face off of and kill a child if it wanted to. Yes pits may be more dangerous when they attack but that's just it, more dangerous.
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A lab could kill you, so could a cat, but if you look through the stats above, they don't. It's pit bulls mainly, pit bull mixes and then mostly an assortment of other dogs. Start at the bottom, 2015, and work your way up. It's absolutely undeniable that pitbulls are far and away the most dangerous breed and that they can and will kill their owners and family and friends.
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Swagger897
Makes sense, but you have the choice to own the dog, and sometimes no choice as to where you live.
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I think most people have the choice of where not to live and perhaps the only ones who don't are those who are held captive or don't have the mental capacity to make a choice or at least know the risk. But I think this is going off topic. :)

@Johnnypenso - I should have quoted Swagger as I was addressing where he said

...while family pitbulls can play with small children... they can still harm, or kill them as well.
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I agree in certain situations some dogs are more dangerous than others and those situations should be handled accordingly. But a cop should not shoot or attack every pit bull that runs up to him/her just perhaps those that do so aggressively, which I also would agree that it's a difficult thing to determine. Was the dog in this particular situation even a pit bull?

Columbus, Ohio, police Officer Jonathan Thomas was investigating a hit-and-run in Whitehall on Friday when a woman came up to him asking for help, according to The Columbus Dispatch.

The woman told Thomas that her sister -- later identified as Andrea Ellis -- had cut herself and needed medical attention.

When Thomas arrived at the doorway of the residence, one of the family dogs ran at him, according to Columbus police spokeswoman Denise Alex-Bouzounis. Thomas pulled out his gun and fired, inadvertently hitting the young girl in the leg. The 4-year-old, who is reportedly Ellis' daughter, is in stable condition and expected to make a full recovery.
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That's all the info I have so I can't say if the dog was a threat or not but it was definitely a dumb move if there was a kid in the line of fire.
 
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Swagger897
you forgot to finish the sentence...


A few weeks ago a co-worker of my mom's had an incident with her pitbull and a horse or a neighbor. The neighbor walked over to her fence-line, and the horse followed suit. The horse bent over the fence (to look at the dog I presume... I don't know, I'm not the horse) and the dog ripped half of the nose off, along with skin all the way to its eyes.

A horse....
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Pitbulls were not only bred for fighting but are descended from the English bull-baiting dog, "bred to bite and hold bulls, bears and other large animals around the face and head." It's unfortunate for the neighbor and their horse, but in light of the pitbull's history, the incident doesn't amount to unprovoked or unpredictable violence. Given the chance, a hunting dog may kill a pet rabbit; that doesn't make the dog dangerous to children.

Broadly speaking, "unpredictable" dog behavior is generally the outcome of ignorance or neglect at some stage leading to the incident or in the dog's upbringing. It's psychology. Aggressive behaviors are a product of a dog's environment as well as its socialization and training, or lack thereof. The roles dogs have been bred to perform are instinctive habits that can be minded or even exercised in a constructive way.

Anyway, pitbulls aren't all I was talking about. Any larger breed can appear threatening to someone, despite several common larger breeds being naturally social. When a police officer enters a property, most dogs will approach the officer. By itself, that does not justify drawing a gun.
 
Two US Marshals have been charged with the murder of a 6-year-old boy in Louisiana. He was in a car with his father, who was unarmed and had no criminal record. The father's girlfriend has claimed that he had previous disputes with these marshals.
 
DK
Two US Marshals have been charged with the murder of a 6-year-old boy in Louisiana. He was in a car with his father, who was unarmed and had no criminal record. The father's girlfriend has claimed that he had previous disputes with these marshals.
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What does that have to do with a war on police?
 
Johnnypenso
What does that have to do with a war on police?
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How many police officers have to be targeted for execution before there's a "war on police"? What's your number? 5? 10? 40? What's the acceptable number of police officers targeted for execution for you before we call it a pattern or shift in attitude towards police officers?

What causes shifts in attitudes? Cases like this one?
 
TenEightyOne
How many police officers have to be targeted for execution before there's a "war on police"? What's your number? 5? 10? 40? What's the acceptable number of police officers targeted for execution for you before we call it a pattern or shift in attitude towards police officers?

What causes shifts in attitudes? Cases like this one?
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Why did you quote me if you aren't answering the question I asked? I've already answered that question previously, I suggest you go back and review if you're uncertain.
 
Johnnypenso
Why did you quote me if you aren't answering the question I asked? I've already answered that question previously, I suggest you go back and review if you're uncertain.
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I asked a question using the same words - so how many have to be "targeted"?
 
Johnnypenso
What does that have to do with a war on police?
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You might as well ask, what does 9/11 have to do with the War on Terror?

The "war on police" did not begin with random anti-police protests with no cause. Situations such as this are what leads to the protests, which turn to riots, which creates and feeds anti-police anger.

It is as I have said before, the police have a PR problem, justified or not, and until they can fix it they will continue to face anti-cop sentiment from many places. Shooting unarmed children is one of the many issues they need to address.
 
FoolKiller
You might as well ask, what does 9/11 have to do with the War on Terror?

The "war on police" did not begin with random anti-police protests with no cause. Situations such as this are what leads to the protests, which turn to riots, which creates and feeds anti-police anger.

It is as I have said before, the police have a PR problem, justified or not, and until they can fix it they will continue to face anti-cop sentiment from many places. Shooting unarmed children is one of the many issues they need to address.
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There has been anti-police sentiment since there have been police. Bad cops have been around since there have been cops. I'm not worried about protests or angry rhetoric, I'm worried about cops being targeted for execution for no other reason than wearing the uniform. Nothing justifies that.
 
Johnnypenso
There has been anti-police sentiment since there have been police. Bad cops have been around since there have been cops. I'm not worried about protests or angry rhetoric, I'm worried about cops being targeted for execution for no other reason than wearing the uniform. Nothing justifies that.
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I never said it justifies it. I said events like this create the sentiment that leads to the "war." You can have a reason or cause without it being justified. Just ask police about the importance of cause in a murder investigation. I even made the effort to point out that this exists outside any justification.

You asked what it had to do with the war on police. I explained that.
 
FoolKiller
You can have a reason or cause without it being justified
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This.

We can (and most definitely should) acknowledge that cops should not be killed just for being cops, while also having a conversation about police brutality, and how equally unacceptable it is to kill an innocent civilian.
 
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http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/11/1...d-shot-to-death-in-headquarters/?intcmp=hpbt2

A Los Angeles County police officer was found shot to death Wednesday night in the parking lot of police headquarters in Downey, prompting authorities to conduct a massive manhunt for suspects. Several people were detained during the search as officials searched for an additional suspect involved in what appears to be an assassination. A large perimeter has been set up and apartment buildings have been evacuated as SWAT officers sweep the area.
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Johnnypenso
I don't think we've heard anything about the shooter's motivations yet or who they were /are.
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That's true. It could be an attack for another reason, at this time however on the face of it, it seems like a retaliatory attack on the Police for thier attacks on the public.
 
A2K78
What a bunch of self-aggrandizing/egotistical turds...one day they have no problem bad mouthing cops without knowing the facts now all of sudden they're now supporting the?

http://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity...o-dallas-police-officers-being-killed-w212409

Mark my word but the next time you hear of someone being shot by a cop they'll just go right on back to bad mouthing cops again.
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This cynical "I'm the only person in this world with any integrity" shtick of yours is getting pretty old. What happened in Dallas was heart-breaking, and John Legend or LeBron James are equally as capable of feeling that way as you and I are. Give it a rest.
 

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