The "war on police" in America

TenEightyOne
That puts Baltimore's murder rate for 2016 broadly in line with 2015, no? Cool map though... not sure what it has to do with this thread?
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It's not directly connected to this thread but I think it can give some insights at least to those that are not aware of this data. If we brake down by race what's happening year after year in Baltimore (and across the US) the "war on police" thing, especially in light of recent events (8 policemen shot down for no reason) and the BLM narrative, we'll see how crazy and hypocrite the whole thing is and how selective and impartial the media/politicians are on this matter.

If people are not willing to have an honest discussion about what's happening, it will be hard to get out of the vicious cycle of "systemic racism in the Police", "police brutality", "black lives matter", "hands up don't shoot" kinda stuff.

For instance, some people have been talking for quite some time about how to improve the training for policemen (for everyone's sake) or having individual cameras for every officer in the field (some police officers are not into this option for different reasons from what I've listened).
 
I'm just curious why BLM is not saying anything about the black officer who was killed yesterday... Not their objective?
 
ryzno
I'm just curious why BLM is not saying anything about the black officer who was killed yesterday... Not their objective?
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Knowing their agenda, he's probably a "race traitor" or something for siding with the enemy. :rolleyes:
 
ryzno
I'm just curious why BLM is not saying anything about the black officer who was killed yesterday... Not their objective?
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Carbonox
Knowing their agenda, he's probably a "race traitor" or something for siding with the enemy. :rolleyes:
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This guy said something. Not much but he's waiting for more information before he makes up his mind.

http://www.nytimes.com/live/police-...ge/black-lives-matter-leader-calls-for-peace/

New York Times
DeRay Mckesson, one of the best known voices for the Black Lives Matter movement, and who was arrested at a demonstration in Baton Rouge, La., earlier this month, called for peace in a phone interview after news of the shooting broke on Sunday.

“I’m waiting for more information like everybody else,” he said. “I have more questions than answers”

“The movement began as a call to end violence. That call remains.”

Mr. Mckesson and several others traveled to Baton Rouge to protest the death of Alton Sterling, who was fatally shot by the police on July 5. The authorities arrested more than 100 people in connection with a protest outside the city’s Police Headquarters, charging most of them with obstructing the road. Eight firearms were confiscated and one officer lost several teeth after he was struck by a projectile, the police said.

“My prayers are with the victims of all violence,” Mr. Mckesson said Sunday.
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This lady is a BLM supporter who witnessed the shooting:

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na...ake-cover-in-nearby-1468801514-htmlstory.html

LA Times
"I support my police officers and Black Lives Matter, and those two are not mutually exclusive," she said.

"Sadly, I am not ever surprised when I see a fellow service member has taken their life or the life of another," Triche said after hearing reports that the shooter was a former Marine.

"We are ill-equipped to deal with mental health issues. My heart breaks that it's one of my brothers in arms."
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That's all I could find in a quick Google search.
 
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Eunos_Cosmo
The look on his face makes it plainly obvious he doesn't care. His whole delivery has this limp defeated character to it.
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Bit of a bind, though: If the President calls for tougher laws (pick your favorite hidden agenda), then nobody's happy; if the President allows freedoms to continue (i.e. does nothing), then he looks "weak" (perhaps that's what he's supposed to do). The safe political route is to enact tougher sentences, but when the killers are allowing themselves to be hunted down and terminated (or worse, in the case of terrorists), then there's little point to that.

The only line the Commander in Chief can toe is to condemn these murders, stand with law enforcement, ask for peace among the unhappy, which is fills camera time and spurs discussion just enough until the next tragedy. Otherwise, you're going to get exactly what you wanted after giving up so much more in the bargain, a situation ripe for disappointment and proves a undesirable hypothesis as valid.

It's an exercise in floor painting...start from the door and pick which corner you'd theoretically like to finish your job. And wait another few months for the paint to dry.

Put in another words, I'm not taking the bait.
 
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WhoosierGirl
I walked into a patients room last night who was watching this interview, the patient pointed to the bedpan and said "I think Don Lemon needs this more than I do", lol.

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That was uncomfortable:ouch:.
That early commercial break was probably so Don could change his undies.
 
There was a report about a week ago of a break in at a gun shop:
http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-...legedly-stealing-guns-to-kill-police-officers
Police in Baton Rouge say they have arrested three people who stole guns with the goal of killing police officers. They are still looking for a fourth suspect in the alleged plot, NPR's Greg Allen reports.

"Police say the thefts were at a Baton Rouge pawn shop early Saturday morning," Greg says. "One person was arrested at the scene. Since then, two others have been arrested and six of the eight stolen handguns have been recovered. Police are still looking for one other man."
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After the incident with the police officers happened yesterday I wondered if the two were related:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/vi...ton_rouge_police_officers_shot_in_ambush.html

"When the police picked up the intelligence that they were going to be attacked after this gun shop burglary," he reported. "They had to change their status on the ground, but they weren't able to tell the public. Then they appeared with SWAT officers who were armed... and of course that is seen by people as police overstepping or militarizing a demonstration, but there was good reason for it."

"There's been some violence in the streets of demonstrators... throwing objects, fighting with officers. It has been very, very tense in Baton Rouge... since the Sterling death."
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EDIT: Sorry, double post:(

IforceV8
From yesterday-Pete Williams NBC http://www.realclearpolitics.com/vi...ember_of_sovereign_citizen_militia_group.html and this morning http://www.cbsnews.com/news/baton-r...gavin-long-sovereign-citizen-domestic-threat/
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In his own words, "don't affiliate me with nothing". "I thought my own thoughts, I made my own decisions and my heart is pure"
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zzz_pt
It's not directly connected to this thread but I think it can give some insights at least to those that are not aware of this data.
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It might help if you were more clear about what it shows that you thought was interesting... all I saw was that 18 black people were shot dead this month compared to 0 white people. Is that your point?
 
The fourth person out of six charged in Freddie Gray's death in Baltimore, Former Police Lt. Brian Rice, was found Not Guilty on all charges stemming from the incident, CNN reports this morning. Like the last two trials before him, former officers Edward Nero and Cesar Goodson, he opted for a bench trial after the trial of Officer William Porter ended in a mistrial in December of last year. Sargent Alicia White and Officer Garrett Miller have yet to stand trial.

http://edition.cnn.com/2016/07/18/us/brian-rice-freddie-gray-verdict/index.html
 
McLaren
Do they? I thought sovereign citizens just believe they are not bound by any laws of the US & can do whatever they want or wish, often quoting old laws or misinterpreting laws for their own benefit. Basically, some nut jobs.
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Hmm, I could easily be mistaken. I was under the impression they wanted to do away with the government completely, but since I haven't heard anything about them in a long time, I might be wrong.
 
Sounds like this guy "Cosmo" just aligned himself with whatever wacky idea crossed his bug-addled mind at the time.
 
I had never heard of this sovereign citizens movement and I assume that is what is being discussed. I did a quick wiki look and decided indeed they are wack. I do consider myself a sovereign citizen of the U.S. however so that kind of junk gives me a black eye.

Speaking of the war on police I'm a bit torn, while I do not condone wreckless violence I do believe something should be done. There are ways to fight the corrupt and over reaching to me that don't include senseless violence, if it does have to come to that then I will be on the fighting side. Very far off imo, we can do better through education and simply standing up.

Just for kicks and in no real order...

and some sort of things that do happen everyday.


I believe that so many people are washed into thinking that cooperation with a man in uniform is a good thing that they don't ever think that they have a right, many rights actually but specifically a right to life. Why could it possibly be a law to carry an ID? Sure to drive on public roads because it is a signed contract but still...
 
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fumunaplz
I believe that so many people are washed into thinking that cooperation with a man in uniform is a good thing that they don't ever think that they have a right, many rights actually but specifically a right to life.
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Most people know they have rights, the court room is a much better place to fight any charges than the side of a road though.
 
It is up to the individual where to make a stand. When I was growing up I loved the police, they were a part of the community. I'm not so nice about things now, especially knowing how they use everything against a common man. It used to be that they had a conscience and a discernment that is now taken away from them, I don't blame them for the system but all the same I do not like them.

One of those evils we need I suppose, some responsibility could go a long way however.
 
fumunaplz
It is up to the individual where to make a stand. When I was growing up I loved the police, they were a part of the community. I'm not so nice about things now, especially knowing how they use everything against a common man. It used to be that they had a conscience and a discernment that is now taken away from them, I don't blame them for the system but all the same I do not like them.

One of those evils we need I suppose, some responsibility could go a long way however.
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You make a stand in court where there are witnesses, a judge and security between you and the person with whom you have a bone to pick.

It's not all that difficult to understand. Having a non-confrontationalist attitude and a history of non-confrontation also makes it easier to win your case in court in case your rights are trampled on.
 
Some people such as myself do not particularly indorse having our daily lives interrupted over such nonsense as that, a man with a badge is nothing more than another man to me.
 
fumunaplz
Some people such as myself do not particularly indorse having our daily lives interrupted over such nonsense as that, a man with a badge is nothing more than another man to me.
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So why not make it easy on everybody, cooperate, and then be on with your business?
 
To a point only, then it gets ridiculous to me, do you have any idea what it means to cooperate and go about your business? So much time lost, having your name smeared and many other bad things go along with simply complying with some idiots who have no more right to your life than you do.
 
fumunaplz
To a point only, then it gets ridiculous to me, do you have any idea what it means to cooperate and go about your business? So much time lost, having your name smeared and many other bad things go along with simply complying with some idiots who have no more right to your life than you do.
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I do know what it means. The last time I got pulled over for a traffic violation; I shut the car off, kept both hands on the wheel and complied with the officer. I think I was back on my way in about 15 minutes.

EDIT: What would you be up to that your name would be "smeared?"
 
Good for you, you probably paid the fine as well, most likely in the mail or on the internet. Did you deserve it?

Oh your name is smeared, I have a crazy old lady for an across the street neighbor for instance. She decided one day that she heard a woman screaming in my house, total bollox but all the same she called the police and they held me on the street as a criminal for all to see.

Da hell wit dat lol.
 
fumunaplz
Good for you, you probably paid the fine as well, most likely in the mail or on the internet. Did you deserve it?
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Actually, I went to the court date and the fine was greatly reduced. I was doing something I should not have been doing (speeding), in violation of posted speed limits.
 
fumunaplz
Live with it if you like it, I personally do not think it is ok, even your fine... was there a victim?
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You're still missing my point. What is the point of getting belligerent with the police? If you think they are in the wrong, fight it in court after the fact. The last time I checked, due process of law and legal representation are still protected by the constitution.
 
I can't find the post were I said belligerence was a good idea can you?

Due process is a great thing, we depend upon it of course, needless harassment not so much. I have stood up to federal police with success before, it was not ugly at all. The guy accused me of horrid things in front of my kid and friend, I said no, he said bla bla law this and that, I said no, the law is actually this and this, leave me be. He did.

Is there something wrong with that?
 

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