The WTC 600 in Tokyo done without exploits is genuinely one of the hardest races in single player in gt7 - share your setups, tips, and cars

[Habla2k]

RM on lap 12 still 1/3 white is impressive, i couldn't keep one set of RM through the whole race.

 

[Baka_Marimo]

RM on lap 12 still 1/3 white is impressive, i couldn't keep one set of RM through the whole race.

No way anyone can do that 😅 I put on a new set of RMs during my pit stop.

I forgot to save the replay, but 8 laps on RMs was already pushing it. Rear tyres were at maybe 20% when I went into the pits.

 

[Habla2k]

BMW m3 with engine swap,medium rpm turbo on SH,is a non stopper for me.

I did this now, but with medium turbo i had to lower ECU to 98 to be < 600. So how do SM tires with turbo work for you? lower ECU?

Anyway, with SH on FM3 i could do a no stop race, BUT, i almost lost, because the left rear tire was really low on lap 10 and 11, on 12 it was gone and the right rear went red during lap 12. i had 25+ seconds lead on lap 11 and lost all of it because one lap with two red rear tires was hell, almost no acceleration. I won by like .5 seconds only because i blocked the 2nd car. No idea what i do, but my tires go way too fast. I do stay on the racing line most of the time and i take many turns not with braking but only losing gas and "flying" around the corner, maybe thats what eats my tires.

Still i really like the m3 with swapped engine and with turbo its doing 330kmh topspeed on the straight. But i'm going back to 1 stop.

PS: I got Veneno Ticket today and will try that one now.

 

[mynameis66]

I did this now, but with medium turbo i had to lower ECU to 98 to be < 600. So how do SM tires with turbo work for you? lower ECU?

Anyway, with SH on FM3 i could do a no stop race, BUT, i almost lost, because the left rear tire was really low on lap 10 and 11, on 12 it was gone and the right rear went red during lap 12. i had 25+ seconds lead on lap 11 and lost all of it because one lap with two red rear tires was hell, almost no acceleration. I won by like .5 seconds only because i blocked the 2nd car. No idea what i do, but my tires go way too fast. I do stay on the racing line most of the time and i take many turns not with braking but only losing gas and "flying" around the corner, maybe thats what eats my tires.

Still i really like the m3 with swapped engine and with turbo its doing 330kmh topspeed on the straight. But i'm going back to 1 stop.

PS: I got Veneno Ticket today and will try that one now.

With SM i have to up the weight and drop the hp,otherwise on SH i can do the whole race,im quite gentle on tyres.I run TCS on 1 with ABS default,no asm or other assists,also on easy for grinding.Like i said i dont chase fast laps and i cant match a lot of peoples lap times,slow and steady wins the race.....................mostly.lol.Have a look at my set up for the M3.

 

[Habla2k]

Thanks for the tune, will try later.

I thought about changing Brake Balance too, does that help with tires? For example, if my rear tires wear faster, i set Brakes to be more frontal?

 

[mynameis66]

Thanks for the tune, will try later.

I thought about changing Brake Balance too, does that help with tires? For example, if my rear tires wear faster, i set Brakes to be more frontal?

I honestly dont know,i always run more front brake,-2,but thats me.

 

[Mudda Chod]

For example, if my rear tires wear faster, i set Brakes to be more frontal?

Yes

 

[Arkseven]

You mean SH, right? RH with more power than SM doesn't sound right.

Did you try the M3 with swapped engine?

Did you do a no stop race with the C7? Using SH and FM2 or 3 maybe?

Thanks for your interessting post. One question i have is, if you do races on RH, you can also do IMs right? I think RH and IM are about the same PP cost. So far i didn't find a car fast enough, that has low enough PP to use Racing Tires. They cost too much PP and i'm not good enough to compensate the less power.

What is your favourite for tokyo? In case of easy win and easy to drive?

Yeah, it's SH tires! My bad.

Unfortunately I don't have any engine available for the M3.

For the C7, my time with a 1-stop is better than with a no-stop. Using FM hurts too much the accelaration and top speed. I think it's better to just go FM1 all the race.

I've never tried IMs tires, so I don't know if it could work. With RH tires, the lack of power is not a big deal if you have a car that can reach 280-290 km/h in the main straight, since you're way faster than the AI in the corners. Usually, if a car can reach that speed, than you can probably catch the leaders in the second part of the track.
BMW M3, Corvette C4, GT-R R/32/33/34, Maserati GTS, Camaro SS, Lancer Evo VI... these cars can win without any mods because of their pace and handling using RH tires.


Try the Evo V or the Evo VI with RH. Should give you a good idea about why trading speed for grip can be a good strategy for this race. They can achive a total time of 27:10-27:20.

The Evo V can win with only* using RH, but if you want to use upgrades, I had a 26:57 time with the following mods:
Fully Custom ECU, Weight Reduction level 1, Racing Filters, Racing Intercooler and Sports Silencer. No changes to the suspension or LSD.
*The default gearbox goes only to 240 km/h, so you need to buy a normal Custom Gearbox. I think the fully custom racing gearbox puts the car above 600pp, might need to check that. Set it to 320 km/h (no need to change each gear).

The Evo V is fast and stable on corners and you don't even need to do a pitstop because tires can last the whole race. Do the first lap in FM 6 and then you can switch back to FM 1 for the rest of the race.


My favorites cars... that's quite trick. I think I have 2 answers for that:
1 - cars that are modified/using RH tires: Evo V, R33, Corvette C4, R32 and Supra/R34
2 - stock cars: Corvette C7, Cayman GT4, Viper GTS 13', Mercedes SLR and Ford GT

 

[Habla2k]

Using FM hurts too much the accelaration and top speed

Good to know, thanks.

since you're way faster than the AI in the corners

Do you mean because of RH Tires? Because in general, i seem to be slower in corners than AI on Tokyo, might be my lack of skill though.

Try the Evo V or the Evo VI with RH

Only works with them? What about the Evo Final? I will get at least two of each Evo, next time they are available.

with the following mods

Thank you, will try this, but again, only works with Evo V?

because tires can last the whole race

Well, it seems my driving style hurts tires a lot, because other users posted no stop strategies i couldn't use because my tires wear faster than others, but i will try.

Mercedes SLR

The SLR McLaren? I tried that and could barely win on SH, better tires not possible because of PP.

Supra/R34

What do you mean by this? What Supra exactly? And R34 is the Nissan?

 

[Arkseven]

Do you mean because of RH Tires? Because in general, i seem to be slower in corners than AI on Tokyo, might be my lack of skill though.

Yeah. They AI is somewhat slow at the S-bends and you can carry more speed at turns 6, 7, 8 and 9. My first races with RH were also very bad. After seeing BWM videos I learned where I could be more aggressive! First 2 laps are a bit slow because the track is still wet, but then it gets better after lap 4.

Only works with them? What about the Evo Final? I will get at least two of each Evo, next time they are available.

I found the Evo Final to be quite slow, even with mods. I don't remember the exact PP, but I think it's possible to use only RH + Medium Turbo and the Medium Turbo really adds a lot of power.

Thank you, will try this, but again, only works with Evo V?

Depends on what car you're driving. I had success with the GT-R R33' using only RH, ECU and WR1.

Well, it seems my driving style hurts tires a lot, because other users posted no stop strategies i couldn't use because my tires wear faster than others, but i will try.

The Evo V is one of those car with good tire wear and fuel efficiency. Might be the default supension/LSD settings. The R33, even with RH tires, is kinda hard to control at laps 11 and 12 because tire wear is not as good as the Evo.
Another car with good tire wear is the Porsche Cayman GT4. Even with SS tires, it can last at least 7 laps.

The SLR McLaren? I tried that and could barely win on SH, better tires not possible because of PP.

It's a bit 'heavy', right? I'm very careful with this car on the second half of the track. I try to not rush my way. Sometimes I get stuck behind the AI and I stay there until the main straight.

What do you mean by this? What Supra exactly? And R34 is the Nissan?

Supra 97' and the Skyline R34, yes. Basically RH tires, WR 2 and Fully Custom ECU.

 

[Habla2k]

So much stuff to try, thank you!

Supra 97' and the Skyline R34, yes. Basically RH tires, WR 2 and Fully Custom ECU.

I tried the Supra, but it is way too slow to even reach the other cars. I guess i'm better off with cars that reach a good speed on straight because i'm too slow on corners and don't get enough time out of them.

Edit:
I started a race with cayman GT4 stock on IMs and so far i like it a lot, almost catched up to NSX on lap 4. will continue today on it.

btw. @Baka_Marimo @Arkseven
did you guys use any stock lambo for this race? any of them viable? Veneno needs too much downtuning to be worth it imo.

 

[Mudda Chod]

Veneno needs too much downtuning to be worth it imo.

Veneno corners like an elephant with a toenail infection

 

[mynameis66]

Veneno,510hp and 1635kg on SH.Its still a winner but not by such a huge margin now,i use FM1 on the straight and FM6 through the twisty bits for about 3 or 4 laps.I stop at the end of lap 8 for fuel and then FM1 untill the end.Its a little hefty after the PP change but it is what it is i guess.
I know the colours not for everyone but its a little different.

 

[Habla2k]

May i ask what top speed you get on the straight?

 

[johnson_57]

Veneno,510hp and 1635kg on SH.Its still a winner but not by such a huge margin now,i use FM1 on the straight and FM6 through the twisty bits for about 3 or 4 laps.I stop at the end of lap 8 for fuel and then FM1 untill the end.Its a little hefty after the PP change but it is what it is i guess.
I know the colours not for everyone but its a little different.

What color is that ? Looks nice. I Like blue.

 

[mynameis66]

May i ask what top speed you get on the straight?

About 185ish,mph that is.Just enough to keep up.Nothing like before.lol

What color is that ? Looks nice. I Like blue.

I think it was a blue from the standard co;our palete.

 

[Habla2k]

About 185ish

thats quite good. Gonna try your tune tomorrow

i just tested this and could win in 27:44. No idea how he can manage to lead over a minute though:

Spoiler: R32 tokyo

 

[mynameis66]

thats quite good. Gonna try your tune tomorrow

i just tested this and could win in 27:44. No idea how he can manage to lead over a minute though:

Spoiler: R32 tokyo

I managed a`comfy`12 secs over 2nd place.Different driver abilities comes into play for a lot of these cars,for example,i am absolutely hopeless on most of the FR cars.I managed a win with the `97 supra but the majority i struggle with,FF i dont mind too much.

 

[BWM]

Bought the second Alfa 8C 2900B upgrade to 600pp but sadly not enough top speed. Spent most the money need to find something fresh and interesting to do to get the cr back.

Looking for new idea hanging around dealers and saw the R34 in the UCD.
Remember watching some cooking show making one ingredient into 3 dishes.
So why not bought a couple of them and race them in 3 different ways.
And just got the PS5 first drove something easier to get used to the new controller.

1. Dragster style

Inspired by the Porsche VGT and tried the same strategy in ICE.
Very heavy on Tyre and fuel so it can't do a no pit run.


2. Street style

The basic Sport Tyre strategy, and this R34 is one of my everyday grinder.


3. Roller-coaster style

The racing Tyre strategy. Actually the first time driving R34 in RH, it corner a lot better than I though. (Though it is heavy)


The most difficult was the dragster run, got saved by the 4wd system a lot both stability and exit speed. Tried if 3 ways are possible in RWD with some classic muscle (for the dragster theme) but no success yet. Would try something more modern.

 

[Habla2k]

2. Street style

3. Roller-coaster style

You did both with no stop. Is this only possible with short shifting? Or does it work with automatic too?

@mynameis66
Tried your Veneno and could win with 6 seconds lead. Thanks for that! Its a nice drive.

Btw. does anyone know if there are any glitch free no stop cars that can reach 300km/h+ (around 190mph) on the straight?

 

[Bullet007]

For some comic relief, try the Honda 2&4. Makes me smile to pass all those cars in an over-sized go kart.

 

[BWM]

You did both with no stop. Is this only possible with short shifting? Or does it work with automatic too?

For the R34 i shift up early mainly for performance in mind because it got more low end torque.(early 6th gear was for fuel efficiency though)
Or you can drive with one step higher FM, it won't lose too much speed.

Didn't tried AT so can't say much about it.

 

[Habla2k]

Or you can drive with one step higher FM, it won't lose too much speed.

2nd one you already use FM5, so i need 6 then haha.

Btw. what about custom parts? first has no spoiler, 2nd and 3rd custom spoiler and custom parts? What about wide body and tires?

try the Honda 2&4

Thats not on stock settings, right?

 

[BWM]

2nd one you already use FM5, so i need 6 then haha.

Btw. what about custom parts? first has no spoiler, 2nd and 3rd custom spoiler and custom parts? What about wide body and tires?

They all with full custom parts only the dragster with no wing and non wide body.
Sorry not sure about if they got wide wheels I just download and apply others livery.

 

[Bullet007]

2nd one you already use FM5, so i need 6 then haha.

Btw. what about custom parts? first has no spoiler, 2nd and 3rd custom spoiler and custom parts? What about wide body and tires?

Thats not on stock settings, right?

No, not stock. Praiano tune, add max ballast to get more power, and TCS=1. 200 ballast at +7, final drive set with Rev limiter at 340 kph.

Fuel trim = 1, SH tires, no pit stops, and it will be running on fumes at end of lap 12.

Also, I'm a proud member of LOLA, the League of Lazy Automatics. A good driver with a wheel and manual shifting would certainly crush my best time of 27:10. Best lap is typically a low 2:13 with a very occasional 2:12.9 or so.

 

[Angry_Bowling]

I find detuned cars have much better fuel economy so i lean towards engine swap road cars, the 787b swap rx-7 gets amazing fuel economy and is surprisingly controllable for a rwd

However nothing tops the Alpine A220 there is a slight areo glitch that lowers the PP by about 90pts, im sure it will get patched next update but right now it can run low 26min races, i just followed this video for setup

 

[Habla2k]

Praiano tune

it's interessting, that his tune has downforce 20 on both, but you can't change it, probably patched.

No, not stock. Praiano tune, add max ballast to get more power, and TCS=1. 200 ballast at +7, final drive set with Rev limiter at 340 kph.

Fuel trim = 1, SH tires, no pit stops, and it will be running on fumes at end of lap 12.

Also, I'm a proud member of LOLA, the League of Lazy Automatics. A good driver with a wheel and manual shifting would certainly crush my best time of 27:10. Best lap is typically a low 2:13 with a very occasional 2:12.9 or so.

You must be a good driver, because that's a really horrible drive experience.

It's slippery as hell even on TCS5, no way i can control that on 1. The first two rounds are very slippery and it doesn't get that much grip after those, the other cars push you around like a pinball game, not very enjoyable.

I could barely close in on the others, doing 2:16 rounds. No way i can manage 2:13 with this "car".

Also, i used FM1 on straight and FM2 rest of track and still, after 6 rounds it told me that my fuel lasts for 5.8 more rounds. No way i can drive 12 laps on FM1. It does have a nice top speed of around 315kph on the end of the straight, but its way too slow for me on the rest of the track.

thanks for the idea though

 

[Bullet007]

it's interessting, that his tune has downforce 20 on both, but you can't change it, probably patched.

You must be a good driver, because that's a really horrible drive experience.

It's slippery as hell even on TCS5, no way i can control that on 1. The first two rounds are very slippery and it doesn't get that much grip after those, the other cars push you around like a pinball game, not very enjoyable.

I could barely close in on the others, doing 2:16 rounds. No way i can manage 2:13 with this "car".

Also, i used FM1 on straight and FM2 rest of track and still, after 6 rounds it told me that my fuel lasts for 5.8 more rounds. No way i can drive 12 laps on FM1. It does have a nice top speed of around 315kph on the end of the straight, but its way too slow for me on the rest of the track.

thanks for the idea though

For me, Downforce is 80, 120, but as you said, can't be edited. Did you add all the racing mods? Racing air filter, muffler, exhaust manifold, slotted disc's, brake pads. Plus bore up, engine balance tuning, polish ports, high lift cam, racing crank, high compression pistons, and increase body rigidity.

Agreed you must avoid AI cars or they will slam you into the walls.

 

[Habla2k]

Yes, i did the praiano tune, then did 200kg ballast and raised the power as much as i could. it has a nice top speed, but it's too slow in the corners, it feels like a bad grip. But maybe i'm just not good enough to use it. After 6 laps i was 5th place with 30s behind, impressive you could do 27:10 race time.

 

[Bullet007]

Yes, i did the praiano tune, then did 200kg ballast and raised the power as much as i could. it has a nice top speed, but it's too slow in the corners, it feels like a bad grip. But maybe i'm just not good enough to use it. After 6 laps i was 5th place with 30s behind, impressive you could do 27:10 race time.

Thanks! I've probably tried it too many times. 😅

Be patient. Last 6 laps are your best, and you never need to pit. You can win it.