The WTC 600 in Tokyo done without exploits is genuinely one of the hardest races in single player in gt7 - share your setups, tips, and cars

[RCKakashi14]

2:03 in my first outing of the "Brappuccino".

Sports Soft tires and 1 pit stop.

Will probably try RH.

EDIT: My second run.

Intermediate Tires then switched to Racing Hards.

 

[Mudda Chod]

@Zorz
Well it seems to me that the fastest result comes from combining our tune philosophies.

27:02 and Fastest Lap!!!

As per your tune, the Low rpm Turbo accelerates faster than my High rpm Turbo, but then it fails to deliver top end speed on the straight, and it consumes fuel trying. So the logical compromise is the Medium rpm Turbo.

Accordingly I extended the gear ratios (from my previous tune) to utilise the mid-rpm power, and adopted your idea of compromising on the breaks to achieve the PP requirement.

Strangely I found the handling worse, but possibly that's due to slightly higher corner speeds, or poor brakes. It essentially doesn't require any fuel saving strategy, but I did lean the mix and/or short shift, when in slipstream), just in case.

Again the limitation is the front tyre wear and the entire last lap was run with fully depleted tyres.

It turns out to be a fun grind, and I almost lapped Gentry in the Viper.

 

[Zorz]

@Zorz
Well it seems to me that the fastest result comes from combining our tune philosophies.

27:02 and Fastest Lap!!!

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As per your tune, the Low rpm Turbo accelerates faster than my High rpm Turbo, but then it fails to deliver top end speed on the straight, and it consumes fuel trying. So the logical compromise is the Medium rpm Turbo.

Accordingly I extended the gear ratios (from my previous tune) to utilise the mid-rpm power, and adopted your idea of compromising on the breaks to achieve the PP requirement.

Strangely I found the handling worse, but possibly that's due to slightly higher corner speeds, or poor brakes. It essentially doesn't require any fuel saving strategy, but I did lean the mix and/or short shift, when in slipstream), just in case.

Again the limitation is the front tyre wear and the entire last lap was run with fully depleted tyres.

It turns out to be a fun grind, and I almost lapped Gentry in the Viper.


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Wow. Just... wow. Well played! I shall have to give that a go later - that end time is INSANE.

And here I was hunting for the next worst car that it's possible to win with.

 

[johnson_57]

And here I was hunting for the next worst car that it's possible to win with.

Have you tried this one yet ? It is the Honda engine swapped version. Back in the day I owned a 1275 Clubman. So I know from personal experience that this car is not built for speed at all and this race confirmed it........100%

 

[Zorz]

Have you tried this one yet ? It is the Honda engine swapped version. Back in the day I owned a 1275 Clubman. So I know from personal experience that this car is not built for speed at all and this race confirmed it........100%

I haven't, but now that I know it can be done, I think that might have to be next! 👍

Edit - Oh wait, engine swapped. Not sure I have that unfortunately!

 

[Mudda Chod]

I love how this thread has morphed from trying to find the best car for a win, into trying to finding the worst car for a win

@johnson_57, I love the Rossi themed livery btw

 

[BWM]

And here I was hunting for the next worst car that it's possible to win with.

If looking for challenge how about the 356 speedster in LCD right now
Did it before end up a very close win(in #589), not sure if it still capable after so many patches.



tried some heavy tire eater non stop

Sharp when tire still alive, not bad after it gone, I actually quite enjoy how it drive with worn tires

 

[Habla2k]

You guys are incredible. I tried the Scirocco a while back and had no chance, lol. Much too slow.

 

[johnson_57]

Some Renault's.

Beside being a petrol head I am also an avid cyclist. I Found this cool Tour de France livery for the Megane safety car and quite enjoyed the race with it.

The Clio V6 is not a bad drive at all. It has rather good fuel efficiency and a nice engine/exhaust sound.

The R5 is quite an enjoyable drive, almost like driving an over sized gokart. It does the race without stopping using IM tyres.

 

[Habla2k]

Has anyone won with an BMW M3 89?

 

[Mudda Chod]

Has anyone won with an BMW M3 89?

I haven't tried. Is it difficult?

 

[Habla2k]

It seems too slow, even fully tuned.

 

[Mudda Chod]

It seems too slow, even fully tuned.

I'll try... You mean with auto gearbox right?

 

[BWM]

Has anyone won with an BMW M3 89?

just got one from UCD and had a quick drive

it's fine with RH non stop
FM2 all the way(need some short shifting in the last 3 laps)

 

[Zorz]

Has anyone won with an BMW M3 89?

I did that one this morning. No screenshot of the end time, but I can share the tune I used:

Other stuff:

Wide body
15 inch rims/standard/standard
Front - Type A
Side - Type A
Rear - Type A
Wing - Type B

This car is also ridiculously gentle on the tyres.

Edit - Just ran this again to double check, turns out I was thinking of something else on the fuel! This does need some management throughout. Shift up as the bar hits full, don't rev it out. FM1 down the main straight, FM2 between the offramp and beginning of the straight. My driving style around Tokyo often involves a bit of coasting here and there as well so YMMV. I was able to do laps 11 and 12 on FM1 with some revving out on the final run to the line as I'd built up some excess.

 

[Mudda Chod]

just got one from UCD and had a quick drive
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it's fine with RH non stop
FM2 all the way(need some short shifting in the last 3 laps)

Did you mean Sports Hard?

I messed up the fuel strategy so had to pit late, therefore needed excessive blocking on Suswillo to maintain the lead.

With the right gear ratios a faster no-stop strategy is possible, even with the Auto (no short shift), so I'll improve the tune before posting it.

 

[BWM]

Did you mean Sports Hard?

Racing Hard

 

[Mudda Chod]

I'd say sub 27 min is possible because I did get spun by the AI on this run, and also the diff settings could be improved.

Notes:
The gears are setup to ensure that the Automatic gearbox shifts appropriately for @Habla2k et al. For manual gearbox I would lengthen the first four gears by 5-6 km/hr and short shift at 7 or 7,500 rpm through the curvy part of the track to save fuel.

With the auto gearbox, some fuel saving is required. FM 2 or 3 through the curves on lap one, utilise slipstream on the straight and dial back the FM to ensure you don't catch your host. When you are in the lead, if you need to save more fuel, use FM 2 through the curves on the last few laps when the rear tyres are worn.

For my previous run I was using SH, but with @BWM 's idea of RH, I discovered that the PP actually reduces with Racing Hard on the back. So that allows some extra PP for the fully upgraded brakes, clutch etc and low aero. (but note, you can't change tyres during the race)

Surprisingly it handles quite well, even on the first lap, however I did have ASM + Countersteering turned on for ease of mind, and caution is still required to avoid puddles when applying full accelerator on lap 1. It's slightly understeery, so maybe better diff settings would help.

Edit: Improved diff, and gears for manual shifting = 27 min run (no wall riding) Only slight fuel saving required (lap 1 + slipstream)

 

[Habla2k]

@BWM @Mudda Chod @Zorz
Wow, so many option, but you are all much faster than me on other cars, so we will see.

I think i'll try Zorz tune (with mudda gearbox), but with SH because my Tires wear faster usually, and then FM2-3. Will see how that goes.

 

[breeminator]

The Supra '97 joins the rare-ish sub 26:40 club. This is with wide body and wide wheels and offset. Although the tyres are SM, they very easily last the whole race for a no-stop, so it becomes all about making the fuel last. I used bumper cam to have a rev counter, and shifted at 5500 rpm. I went to fuel map 2 when I reached the flat part of the main straight, and went back to fuel map 1 before exiting the final hairpin. Combined with some strategic use of long gears in places, that's about right to make the fuel last, you might need map 3 for the odd lap. I don't think the non-reversible engine upgrades are needed, you can make the power curve around the same shape without them, the important thing is to make it have a flat region from 5000-5500rpm. I used TC 2.

I feel like what the car really needs is stage 5 weight reduction, but if that exists in the game, I don't have it.

The car is available in the UCD right now.

Even SS tyres last the whole race, I did 26:42 for a no-stop with SS. Basically, you can use any of SH, SM, SS and no-stop, but you need more fuel saving for the less grippy tyres as the car will have more power and use more fuel. They all end up doing fairly similar race times. You can even go with RH, then put IM on for the first few laps, pit for RH, and do about the same total race time that way. With RH/IM, just shifting at 5500rpm should make the fuel last without any use of higher fuel maps, no need for fuel at the pit stop.

 

[johnson_57]

I love how this thread has morphed from trying to find the best car for a win, into trying to finding the worst car for a win

I've stopped grinding this race with the same easy win car a while back. I Actually try to do the race with a different car as much as I can. It's funny how this race is so intimidating and hard at first. But as soon as you learn how to do it and nail it the first time there is loads of cars that can win it, even some that seem impossible. I Did a quick count and I have won it with 102 different cars so far. That's just different cars and excluding different tyres and tunes for some of the same cars.

 

[Habla2k]

So i tried the M3 89 yesterday. I believe i was barely braking at all through the course beside first and last turn, but still i am nowhere near your times. Gallo was gone for almost 30s at lap 5 so i threw the towel. It's just not fast enough for my skills. That's fine though, had a nice race in the praiano testarossa after that.

Thanks for your advices and help!

 

[MidnightRun85]

So i tried the M3 89 yesterday. I believe i was barely braking at all through the course beside first and last turn, but still i am nowhere near your times. Gallo was gone for almost 30s at lap 5 so i threw the towel. It's just not fast enough for my skills. That's fine though, had a nice race in the praiano testarossa after that.

Thanks for your advices and help!

I tried out the M4 and E46 M3 last night. Both of them on a no-stop fuel saving strategy and much slower than the front runners. By lap 5 I had around the same delta to Gallo, but he stops twice, and lap times start tumbling as your fuel depletes, so I was running 2:15s and 2:14s towards the end. Won in the M4 by about 11s and in the M3 by 2s...

 

[johnson_57]

I tried out the M4 and E46 M3 last night. Both of them on a no-stop fuel saving strategy and much slower than the front runners. By lap 5 I had around the same delta to Gallo, but he stops twice, and lap times start tumbling as your fuel depletes, so I was running 2:15s and 2:14s towards the end. Won in the M4 by about 11s and in the M3 by 2s...

I Also tried those two a couple of weeks ago. I'm a BMW fan, M3's in particular. My favorite version is the E46 CSL.

 

[johnson_57]

The Lancia Stratos with praiano63's tune. I Made some small adjustments to the power and ballast to accommodate IM tyres. I Didn't expect it but it is actually a very nice car to drive.

The Audi TTS had me pleasantly surprised. It has good top speed and the handling is impressive. I Had to watch the front tyres though. They wear of way faster than the rears, even with the brake balance set all the way back.

The Mazda Roadster TC just lacks top speed, 268kph was the best I could get. Besides that it is a pretty good handling car. It has pretty impressive fuel economy. I Managed 10 laps before needing to pit. I Think with some short shifting and fuel saving strategy it might be able to win without stopping.

 

[MidnightRun85]

I Also tried those two a couple of weeks ago. I'm a BMW fan, M3's in particular. My favorite version is the E46 CSL.

As you can probably tell from my profile pic, I'm a BMW fan too. Last night's races got me enough credits to pick up the last two BMWs I needed for my collection, the E92 M3 GT1 and the VGT.

 

[Habla2k]

The Lancia Stratos with praiano63's tune.

Wonderful race, i liked it a lot.

 

[breeminator]

26:25 with the Lancudo. I don't know how many people have this engine swap, maybe I have just been crazily lucky to get it. It has a very narrow and peaky power curve that means you have to adjust individual gear ratios to get the best from it. I did the race maybe 6 times to get to this setup, I'm sure it can be further improved. No fuel saving is needed, you can just use the ideal gear all the time. Automatic should be okay, though it can be a bit too reluctant to drop down a gear in some places. I didn't use TC. I think the gear ratios were still a touch long, maybe take 3% off the final drive if you're going to try it.

 

[Habla2k]

Anyone having an engine swapped ford focus and used it on tokyo? I found it to be very unstable. Same with Silvia with corvette engine. Both should have enough Power to win, but hard to control.

 

[MidnightRun85]

Anyone having an engine swapped ford focus and used it on tokyo? I found it to be very unstable. Same with Silvia with corvette engine. Both should have enough Power to win, but hard to control.

Mess with diff and downforce until you find a good balance.