The Xbox One Thread - One X & One SXBOne

[Spagetti69]

Oh Crikey, Forza 5 next gen launch title? If it can be pulled off in time they are the ones to do it.

Wonder if Playground games have been called in to ease any strain on the main team. I guess there twiddling there thumbs at the moment.

Open wheels cars for sure next gen. Oh my the possibility's.

Must resist hype train.........

 

[Samus]

I wonder if the new 360 will have a Blu Ray player. Would be nice but it probably wont happen.

It has to happen, simple as that. A next gen console with a DVD drive would be a disaster.

 

[Terronium-12]

Actually, no it doesn't 'have to' happen.

They could opt for a proprietary format or an entirely different one altogether.

 

[Tornado]

Yeah. They could be like Nintendo and design the system around "proprietary" 25/50 GB single/dual layer blue laser "Xbox 720 Optical Discs."

 

[Terronium-12]

Well of course we know what they are.

Microsoft Digital Optical Discs

 

[Samus]

Quite. I guess it depends if they want to pay the license for it to play BR discs. We all know the drive in the Wii U is very Blu-Ray like but they obviously didn't want to pay for an actual BR drive that can also play BR discs. Being a more direct competitor to Sony and their focus on multimedia I'd think they would do. Certainly though it's going to need to be something that can use large discs anyway.

 

[CAMAROBOY69]

I wonder how the Valve console will perform against the new PS3 and 360. Its supposed to release at almost the exact same time.

 

[E28]

Wonder if Playground games have been called in to ease any strain on the main team. I guess there twiddling there thumbs at the moment.

I'd say they're either starting work on Horizon 2 (if there will be one), starting an entirely new project, or helping to create assets for FM5. Some of them will still be doing DLC for Horizon though.

I wonder how the Valve console will perform against the new PS3 and 360. Its supposed to release at almost the exact same time.

I've not heard of the Valve Console actually. I'm assuming it'll run on Steam and play PC games, and to do that it'll probably have to have pretty good specs.

 

[LaBounti]

Actually, no it doesn't 'have to' happen.

They could opt for a proprietary format or an entirely different one altogether.

He said blu-ray "player" as in playback. I've never owned a DVD player nor have I owned a Blu-ray player, but I have 200 DVD's and 50+ Blu-ray movies due to the playback in the Ps2/PS3.

If they don't go Blu-ray they shouldn't even worry about DVD playback then. It looks terrible on 1080p large screens.

It was rumored that Sony is using Direct X11 for Orbis and rumored that Microsoft is using Blu-ray in The Nextbox. Its very likely this could happen. Almost fair trade to make life easier for both.

 

[Samus]

He said blu-ray "player" as in playback. I've never owned a DVD player nor have I owned a Blu-ray player, but I have 200 DVD's and 50+ Blu-ray movies due to the playback in the Ps2/PS3.

If they don't go Blu-ray they shouldn't even worry about DVD playback then. It looks terrible on 1080p large screens.

It was rumored that Sony is using Direct X11 for Orbis and rumored that Microsoft is using Blu-ray in The Nextbox. Its very likely this could happen. Almost fair trade to make life easier for both.

That can't be true. Microsoft own DirectX solely, Sony don't own BR and can't dictate who gets a licence and who doesn't. It's licensed by the BDA, the largest company in the BDA is Philips, not Sony. They can't stop MS having a BR drive.

 

[Earth]

No bluray drive is just another reason for me to skip another xbox generation. How can it be considered a HUB for home entertainment without a bluray drive? They saw how important films where to a home console last gen and thats why they added the HD-DVD addon to the 360. Not adding blu-ray to the 720 only hurts the gamers and does little to nothing for Microsoft except stroke their ego by still ignoring bluray. Even Sony eventually made VHS players and tapes

No bluray, $60 a year charge to access netflix, play games online and pretty much alot of things that are free on other consoles

I really hate that Nintendo is so obsessed with the casual crowd thus giving me no reason to get a 2nd console after the PS4 next/upcoming gen

 

[Samus]

Huh? You seem to have already decided it won't have one, why?

 

[Earth]

Huh? You seem to have already decided it won't have one, why?

Knowing Microsoft it wont have bluray. They're determined to push the digital downloads is the future garbage. bluray is not essential to next gen and they know that. If they got away with DVD discs last gen they can get away with it again this gen. And they know that.

If digital downloads are the immediate future, why then did they feel the need to release the HD-DVD add on if it was all about digital content? If HD-DVD had won the format war would the 720 have a HD-DVD drive? Of course it would. But its very likely Microsoft will screw next gen gamers out of a bluray drive for what reason? They dont have a good reason except greed and rotten pride

Theres a good reason Microsoft's share prices have been crap in recent years. The company has made alot of garbage and crap decisions as of late.

 

[Samus]

The world as a whole is not ready for digital downloads being the only way to get a game and Microsoft know that. They also know that 7.95GB Dual Layer DVDs for games aren't going to cut it on the next generation, they need something bigger. That either means licensing Blu-Ray or going the way of Nintendo and making their own proprietary drive. With their drive towards the consoles being a multimedia experience I'm pretty sure they will use a Blu-Ray drive.

I don't know why you think they wouldn't out of pride or anything stupid like that, Microsoft and everyone else have accepted that HD-DVD lost to Blu-Ray, they aren't going to ignore it out of spite that the format they chose lost.

Rumours of course, but:
http://www.vg247.com/2012/04/02/xbox-720-detailed-blu-ray-inside-always-on-netcon-required/
http://uk.ign.com/articles/2012/01/25/rerport-next-xbox-to-feature-blu-ray-drive

 

[DGCSE]

I wonder how the Valve console will perform against the new PS3 and 360. Its supposed to release at almost the exact same time.

Valve's Steambox could a great platform for console gamers, the only drawback I see is that it would only include games exclusive to Steam, because it is Steam based. Its performance should exceed console performance, because it is primarily a PC based console. On that note because it is PC based, its hardware could vary largely, as many gamers/enthusiasts may upgrade the hardware and/or 'build' their own Steambox. In my eyes the performance possibilities for the Steambox are endless.

 

[Samus]

Valve's Steambox could a great platform for console gamers, the only drawback I see is that it would only include games exclusive to Steam, because it is Steam based. Its performance should exceed console performance, because it is primarily a PC based console. On that note because it is PC based, its hardware could vary largely, as many gamers/enthusiasts may upgrade the hardware and/or 'build' their own Steambox. In my eyes the performance possibilities for the Steambox are endless.

So is the Xbox 360. Steambox will be pretty much the same as the other consoles, closed off hardware and an OS over it.

 

[DGCSE]

So is the Xbox 360. Steambox will be pretty much the same as the other consoles, closed off hardware and an OS over it.

I hope you are right, if not Valve could lose a lot of revenue if it isn't.

 

[Samus]

Newell said

“Well certainly our hardware will be a very controlled environment,” he said, calling Valve’s offering a turnkey solution. “If you want more flexibility, you can always buy a more general purpose PC.”

So yes, it's clearly not going to be just like an open PC connected to your TV.

 

[DGCSE]

Newell said



So yes, it's clearly not going to be just like an open PC connected to your TV.

Exactly, the general idea of a Steambox (Basic PC hardware), could be accomplished simply by going to your local computer store and choosing your own hardware. I think what Valve is doing here, is just creating an alternative to Xbox and Playstation, it will be interesting to see what happens.

 

[LaBounti]

That can't be true. Microsoft own DirectX solely, Sony don't own BR and can't dictate who gets a licence and who doesn't. It's licensed by the BDA, the largest company in the BDA is Philips, not Sony. They can't stop MS having a BR drive.

Sony wouldn't Stop it if they could. Why would Microsoft go with HD-DVD over Blu-ray to begin with with its add-on drive? There is something about Blu-ray Microsoft didn't want to support.

 

[Earth]

Sony wouldn't Stop it if they could. Why would Microsoft go with HD-DVD over Blu-ray to begin with with its add-on drive? There is something about Blu-ray Microsoft didn't want to support.

The popular opinion is, and one that I agree with, Microsoft supported HD-DVD as it was the inferior format. They wanted an inferior format to win in hopes of it dying a quick death in favor of streaming and digital downloads.

Thats why they havent supported bluray yet. They were against HD physical media all along. If they truly werent, they would be supporting bluray by now. Thats the only way them pushing HD-DVD so hard and resisting blu-ray so much makes sense.

 

[Samus]

The popular opinion is, and one that I agree with, Microsoft supported HD-DVD as it was the inferior format. They wanted an inferior format to win in hopes of it dying a quick death in favor of streaming and digital downloads.

Thats why they havent supported bluray yet. They were against HD physical media all along. If they truly werent, they would be supporting bluray by now. Thats the only way them pushing HD-DVD so hard and resisting blu-ray so much makes sense.

What a complete load of rubbish. They added a HDDVD drive because that is the format they supported. Your suggestion that they wanted it to win and kill disc formats is ridiculous and you have no evidence to back it up. Back in 2005 there was zero chance the only way to get HD movies would become download or streaming only.

What about the other companies that backed HDDVD with millions of dollars of investment? Did they all want it to win the format war then ultimately fail? What even makes you think it would happen, it win the format war then consumers actually realise it's inferior to BR and decide they don't want it? Sounds plausible. Not.

They haven't added a BR drive to the 360 because it'd be too late and they couldn't use it for games so it'd be a waste. It wouldn't be worth it but i'm pretty sure the next console will have one, I showed you two reports saying they would.

Seriously your hatred of Microsoft is making you spout absolute nonsense..

 

[Earth]

What a complete load of rubbish. They added a HDDVD drive because that is the format they supported. Your suggestion that they wanted it to win and kill disc formats is ridiculous and you have no evidence to back it up. Back in 2005 there was zero chance the only way to get HD movies would become download or streaming only.

The theory is that they knew by now such things would change. The theory also says they had hoped HD disc formats would be out of the way by now. A real possibility if the inferior HD-DVD had won.

What about the other companies that backed HDDVD with millions of dollars of investment? Did they all want it to win the format war then ultimately fail? What even makes you think it would happen, it win the format war then consumers actually realise it's inferior to BR and decide they don't want it? Sounds plausible. Not.

Who? Toshiba? They were making a killing off of DVD royalties. A weak HD disc format that would probably get doomed to a niche market or fail alltogether would only send people back to DVD, their bread and butter. Microsoft spending a few bucks to try and kill off physical HD media to get everyone on their PCs isn't so far fetched.

They haven't added a BR drive to the 360 because it'd be too late and they couldn't use it for games so it'd be a waste. It wouldn't be worth it but i'm pretty sure the next console will have one, I showed you two reports saying they would.

Seriously your hatred of Microsoft is making you spout absolute nonsense..

If the next Xbox has bluray then my supported theories are probably wrong. If it does not have bluray, my theories are probably right. For a console that claims to be an entertainment hub, theres no way they can not have blu-ray unless they have ulterior motives

 

[Samus]

Wait so now you're saying Toshiba wanted HDDVD fail as well, so people would go back to DVD? How was that ever going to happen? What even makes you think MS wants all physical media to die off? Your theories are crazy and I look forward to you coming back here in 6 months to eat humble pie.

 

[Earth]

Wait so now you're saying Toshiba wanted HDDVD fail as well, so people would go back to DVD? How was that ever going to happen? What even makes you think MS wants all physical media to die off? Your theories are crazy and I look forward to you coming back here in 6 months to eat humble pie.

Well, people have never really left DVD for starters. I believe the best blu-ray disc sales even today are only something like 66/33 over DVD. And thats usually only for action, sci-fi or animated movies. Most of the time its around 65/35 in favor of DVD.

Apparently Toshiba pretty much owns DVD and gets a good portion of money off of everything DVD related thats sold. Discs, players, etc. They even tried pushing 1080p upscaling DVD players when HD-DVD died

People like Apple and Steve Jobs have already said they think downloads will beat bluray. Everyone is after the film market and I dont put sabotage beyond them.

I really hope I do eat humble pie and Microsoft releases a bluray next gen console. I really do. It would restore some of my faith in humanity.

But its stories like this that make me really disgusted. I must say, why would they push HD-DVD so hard if they dont care about physical HD media? The whole thing stinks, really bad.

http://www.techspot.com/news/48459-windows-8-wont-support-dvd-blu-ray-playback-by-default.html

 

[ch3ng]

Knowing Microsoft it wont have bluray. They're determined to push the digital downloads is the future garbage.

So the PS4 will not have Blu Ray?
They release the digital version of a retail game at the same day.
They have PS+
They bought a cloudgaming company.

What makes you think that MS targets only the digital distribution and Sony not?

SONY pushed digital distribution and cloud the last time i checked. Not MS.

I think both would be totally stupid if they don't include a Blu-Ray

 

[Samus]

Well, people have never really left DVD for starters. I believe the best blu-ray disc sales even today are only something like 66/33 over DVD. And thats usually only for action, sci-fi or animated movies. Most of the time its around 65/35 in favor of DVD.

Apparently Toshiba pretty much owns DVD and gets a good portion of money off of everything DVD related thats sold. Discs, players, etc. They even tried pushing 1080p upscaling DVD players when HD-DVD died

People like Apple and Steve Jobs have already said they think downloads will beat bluray. Everyone is after the film market and I dont put sabotage beyond them.

So what you're saying is Toshiba saw the Blu-Ray format coming along, saw it as a threat to DVD sales and created their own High Definition format not to compete with Blu-Ray but to essentially remove it from existence, meaning there were no HD disc formats and everyone would be back to DVD? At a cost of 1 billion dollars? I don't think so.

I really hope I do eat humble pie and Microsoft releases a bluray next gen console. I really do. It would restore some of my faith in humanity.

But its stories like this that make me really disgusted. I must say, why would they push HD-DVD so hard if they dont care about physical HD media? The whole thing stinks, really bad.

http://www.techspot.com/news/48459-windows-8-wont-support-dvd-blu-ray-playback-by-default.html

What has Windows 8 got to do with HDDVD and physical media? It's a PC operating system, MS don't make PCs and given the current trend what they did makes sense, I know I hardly ever play discs on my PC anymore, my PS3 and Blu Ray player connected to my TV though, absolutely. Plus it's not like there aren't plenty of other free ways to play them and MS knows that. Their own home entertainment system however is a completely different matter.

I really don't know why something like that would 'disgust' you or why any of this would affect your 'faith in humanity'. It's business.

So the PS4 will not have Blu Ray?
They release the digital version of a retail game at the same day.
They have PS+
They bought a cloudgaming company.

What makes you think that MS targets only the digital distribution and Sony not?

SONY pushed digital distribution and cloud the last time i checked. Not MS.

I think both would be totally stupid if they don't include a Blu-Ray

This is also a good point. Again, Earth, what makes you think MS want's to push digital downloads in the gaming environment, which is what we're talking about here?

 

[Samus]

So anyway away from that nonsense IGN has some 'bold predictions' for the console, who knows if they have some inside knowledge behind any of them or are guessing like the rest of us though.

next-generation Xbox will be publicly announced at a special event one month or less prior to E3 in June. It will be broadcast live on Xbox Live and the Internet.

Microsoft will take a page from the Apple playbook and officially call the next-gen Xbox simply “Xbox.” Not Xbox 720, not Xbox Infinity, not anything else. We’ll casually refer to it as “The New Xbox” for a while until it’s not new anymore.

The New Xbox (see, we’re doing it already!) will cost $400 in its most popular/gamer-friendly configuration. Not a penny more. A basic, smaller-storage version will run you $350.

The New Xbox will be released in November and kick serious ass on both the tech bench and at retail store registers.

Meanwhile, Alan Wake 2 and Forza Motorsport 5 will be two of Microsoft’s biggest first-party (read: exclusive) launch titles for The New Xbox.

http://uk.ign.com/articles/2013/01/07/10-bold-xbox-predictions-for-2013

So yes, they're PREDICTIONS before anyone replies without reading the whole thing. Most of them seem pretty plausible though.

 

[II-zOoLoGy-II]

Remember that holographic like feature detailed in the XBOX roadmap leaked last year? (It had a cowboy on it).

http://kotaku.com/5974616/microsoft...urns-your-entire-room-into-a-video-game-level

We're on target....

 

[Spagetti69]

Xbox leaked. Eurogamer thinks the likely hood genuine.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/df-hardware-next-gen-xbox-specs-leak

Any tech heads around here decipher it lol. All Greek to me.