The Xbox One Thread - One X & One SXBOne 

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Well luckily I saw the warning earlier in the thread and corrected my next post accordingly, didn't know that it was a rule in this forum, my bad.

Anyway yes, price will be pretty important, I don't see myself buying the Xbox One at this stage but if they price it low (or as you suggested at a loss) relative to Sony than the PS4 will be in trouble. No doubt about it Microsoft are still very much in this, I just don't understand why they would put pressure on E3 when they had a whole event to themselves to garner some excitement. I guess it will get attention for them at E3 but it seems a little sketchy as to whether that was their intention.
 
I do think it was always their intention, well ever since they thought up the all-in-one idea really. It would have been even worse to spend half an hour of their E3 conference talking about it and then afterwards if they said "tune in to a briefing after E3 on the TV functions" who would tune in? A large chunk of it may be negative but they have people talking about the TV stuff. If they announced it after a mega E3 gaming extravaganza I don't think they would.

It was certainly risky alienating some people so much they would instantly decide not to buy it but Ms obviously thought it was worth it. Whilst I wouldn't design an AIO device myself if I had to promote one I think i'd go exactly the same way.
 
A fair point, it's not exactly what a gamer would want but if the X1 gets the entertainment aspect right than it will probably sell more as it is appealing to a more casual audience. You can't avoid facts such as the casual market being much larger than the hardcore gaming market. As I said before, I am not really interested at this stage but I am in the minority in terms of the audience for the system.

I just think if they split their conference down the middle, first half on hardware and services, second half on games then they would have done better for themselves. That would have been what I would've done but I guess if they had a ton of T.V stuff to show than what they did kinda makes more sense, doesn't mean I completely agree with it of course but I am also not part of that presentation's target market.
 
Me neither, I do think they went too specific on the TV features, I mean all that fantasy football nonsense? Nobody outside of the US cares about that stuff but they spent a good ten minutes on it.

I just think if they'd tried to cram all of that stuff into their presenation at a gaming conference they would have got even more flak than doing it at their own presentation that they never said was all about games. E3 is different, everyone expects games.
 
The all in one concept has been tried before but did not take off. It was ahead of its time and at the time offered more features that the XB One seems to.

The product I refer to was from Gateway back in the 90s I think it was called the destination or something like that. Basically it was a PC that had a large monitor and was billed as an all in one entertainment center it could in theory replace your TV, VCR, Stereo and PC and of course you could play games on it and they looked better than any console on the market at the time.
 
HBR-Roadhog
The all in one concept has been tried before but did not take off. It was ahead of its time and at the time offered more features that the XB One seems to.

The product I refer to was from Gateway back in the 90s I think it was called the destination or something like that. Basically it was a PC that had a large monitor and was billed as an all in one entertainment center it could in theory replace your TV, VCR, Stereo and PC and of course you could play games on it and they looked better than any console on the market at the time.
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Well, we live in 2013 and things are a bit different today. The Xbox One is not a bout doing everything as they advertised the PS3 (It only does everything). :sly: It is about the "one box" in your living room. What are you doing in your living room? Mostly watching tv or playing games and maybe some music. The Xbox One can master those three main subjects. Some will probably have a blu-ray system and their HTPC under their tv. But some people might not have invested in such stuff till now. The new features of the One are just there to appear to a wider audience. Easy as that. The core, the gaming console is the same. I probably will never watch TV on the One or stream a movie over it. I use other devices and services for these. But other people are open for the new features and welcome them.

Such arguements like "Xbox is not about gaming anymore" are plain wrong. The Xbox One reveal was just about the hardware reveal. The shown games were only for the mainstream audience. It was not an event for core gamers, who will watch the E3 conferences live or who are constantly checking gaming sides.

I am glad that Microsoft showed just the console now. Even when the internet went berserk over it. I just cant wait to see 90 minutes of new and exciting games.
 
Why do people expect E3 to help MS and Sony prove anything, it will be a bigger hype machine than the launches were. I doubt MS will dive into the shady inner workings of their machines, and if they did it would be spun so sales don't get hurt. Only till someone hacks into the system after we buy them to prove that they were true will people seem to be off put by this. Also I think the style alone has turned me away from buying the console.

Also I find it difficult to believe that E3 will only be about gaming for MS, as much money as they put into acquire and using more TV groups and the functionality we will probably hear more. Even if gaming was big, I'm sure the social media and television aspect will be integrated in and still claimed as mostly about gaming. I really don't care for Netflix being on my next gen console when I already have it on my Blu-ray system, my wii, my comp and Smart TV...nor do I care about other features that all four have. Perhaps a more innovative way of gamming should be addressed rather.
 
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You're clearly over the age of 13 (as its required to register here as a member), as such I find it rather disturbing that your posts contains such school yard nonsense as 'Micro$oft'.

I'm going to make this clear to you once and once only, its Microsoft, and should you feel that you are not able to discuss the subject of this thread in a mature manner, without resorting to such nonsense as this, then the staff will give you a few days off from the site to think about it.

Please keep in mind this is not a subject open for debate, either do as requested or stop posting in this thread.
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I'm not naming these companies in the childish ways some are, but why do you guys feel you need to protect the names of ms and sony on this site. Seriously, who cares and what does it even matter?
 
Famine
And with regards to that and the "discussion" in previous hours covering the use of the dollar sign... let me quote one "Jordan" on why GTPlanet's rules are as they are.
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Hope this helps.
 
What Microsoft should have done
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jabofu
It is about the "one box" in your living room.
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It bugs me that it's being referred to as an "all in one" box when a cable/sky/free view box is still required. I know I'm splitting hairs here, but still...
 
jabofu
Well, we live in 2013 and things are a bit different today. The Xbox One is not a bout doing everything as they advertised the PS3 (It only does everything). :sly: It is about the "one box" in your living room. What are you doing in your living room? Mostly watching tv or playing games and maybe some music. The Xbox One can master those three main subjects. Some will probably have a blu-ray system and their HTPC under their tv. But some people might not have invested in such stuff till now. The new features of the One are just there to appear to a wider audience. Easy as that. The core, the gaming console is the same. I probably will never watch TV on the One or stream a movie over it. I use other devices and services for these. But other people are open for the new features and welcome them.
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Then why does Microsoft spend so much time during the reveal emphasizing on tv, sports, music, etc; basically everything about entertainment?

I don't see Sony spending a whole reveal event talking about all the things the Playstation can do. They just put up a short 5 second clip saying "It only does everything" at the end of game trailers and advertisements.

Short and simple. Without being too annoying. (I can't stand things that go on for a long period of time) :sly:
jabofu
Such arguments like "Xbox is not about gaming anymore" are plain wrong. The Xbox One reveal was just about the hardware reveal. The shown games were only for the mainstream audience. It was not an event for core gamers, who will watch the E3 conferences live or who are constantly checking gaming sides.

I am glad that Microsoft showed just the console now. Even when the internet went berserk over it. I just cant wait to see 90 minutes of new and exciting games.
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True, but.

That's the backlash you get from the hardcore gamers by targeting a wider audience. Also the choice to dedicate more system resource to run multiple operating systems instead of games sounds rather disappointing.
 
F1 fan
It bugs me that it's being referred to as an "all in one" box when a cable/sky/free view box is still required. I know I'm splitting hairs here, but still...
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Personally, when I see an "all in one" device advertised I immediately assume that it's individual components will be inferior to dedicated devices. I don't see convenience, I see compromise.

Not making assertions about the expected quality (or lack of) of this particular product. Rather, noting that that the type of marketing in general can have a negative effect on some.

So, what will it do that we can't already do? Obviously aside from playing the new games. I know it is already possible to strip ourselves of our own privacy and dignity. So...
 
LeMansAid
Personally, when I see an "all in one" device advertised I immediately assume that it's individual components will be inferior to dedicated devices. I don't see convenience, I see compromise.
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I agree. From a musicians point of view, "all in one" products are usually inferior compared to individual components. Likewise, I'm not saying this means the Xbone will be "inferior", but I personally feel that the "all in one" label is entirely inappropriate for a device that is really just an alternative interface for your tv (and a blu ray player and games console).
 
F1 fan
I agree. From a musicians point of view, "all in one" products are usually inferior compared to individual components. Likewise, I'm not saying this means the Xbone will be "inferior", but I personally feel that the "all in one" label is entirely inappropriate for a device that is really just an alternative interface for your tv (and a blu ray player and games console).
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These all in one devices are obviously not for entertainment enthusiasts. Some people spend a lot of money on their home cinema devices. A high quality dvr, receiver, tv, blu ray player, musik player and so on. A device like the Xbox One is not interesting to such an audience, if they are not buying it for the games. But many consumers are not investing so much in such hardware and maybe just have a normal tv set, they are welcoming the new features.

kennylmao
Then why does Microsoft spend so much time during the reveal emphasizing on tv, sports, music, etc; basically everything about entertainment?

I don't see Sony spending a whole reveal event talking about all the things the Playstation can do. They just put up a short 5 second clip saying "It only does everything" at the end of game trailers and advertisements.

Short and simple. Without being too annoying. (I can't stand things that go on for a long period of time) :sly:

True, but.

That's the backlash you get from the hardcore gamers by targeting a wider audience. Also the choice to dedicate more system resource to run multiple operating systems instead of games sounds rather disappointing.
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I think Microsoft expected the core audience to be a bit let down. Maybe not in this extent, but they knew.

The interesting thing for me, is the fact that Microsoft has nearly their full 90 minutes to show games at their E3-conference.

Sony has to show their new hardware, how their new playstation eye works, what entertainment functions the PS4 has and so on. Sony has to talk about the entertainment functions too, there is no way around it. But both companies will show a ton of new great games. I see only winners, although Nintendo...
 
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Not confident it will be all games, I expect more partnerships, more uses of non gaming. with the reaction since maybe it be games all the way

How does recording work, how do I set up the date and time, how do I change the bitrate on my DVR through xbox. Either its a waste of time and 90% of people will just end up using their cable box remote and GUI or Xbox really does intergrate well.

I have a satellite box which retails for 40quid, I guess cost is 23-30quid. It has a card reader and can record to any hard drive and obviosly receives all the satallite channels, runs on linux and is very custom. Next Xbox like I said before maybe turn into a proper all in one box once they get their foot in the door. We could end up using roughly same box worldwide. Right now though the dvr receiver whether cable/SAT is very cheap. Should be included in the One.

Just hope the One has uses and not turn into another failed passthrough box like Apple TV. Right now I only see a few million using it, gamers will be the ones buying it still and we'll have a machine which could've had a better GPU.

Another thing is Kinect would be great inside TV's and receivers. Mainstream People aren't going to pay $400-500 for it, it's $100 tech. Almost like the tech is in the wrong hands and should be sub licensed for games and already exist elsewhere. the patents really make this impossible. Primesense (inventors) maybe should've gone about it another way. Sony actaully turned this Kinect tech down from primesense. Sony could've made their TVs different and got back into some profit instead of failing against samsung with similar products.
 
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I do not care much for the all in one idea either. As stated all in one devices are typically inferior and if you depend on an all in one device then you are basically putting all your eggs in one basket so if it fails you loose it all rather than just your gaming console.

I doubt that it would interface with my TV or DVR in any meaningful way not sure why anyone would even think it could after all it apparently will not even work with devices designed to work with XBox so why would someone think it would work with a 3 year old Sat box or any such hardware.

I surely don't need it to do anything TV related I already have a SAT box with a HD DVR that works quite well. I also have a blu ray player in my PS3 and I have my PC connected to the same TV so the only thing the new console would add is the ability to play the new games and possibly have it spy on me.

It will be interesting to see how many existing XBox owners refuse to buy this new one vs how many new customers jump on board for the added features.
 
F1 fan
I agree. From a musicians point of view, "all in one" products are usually inferior compared to individual components. Likewise, I'm not saying this means the Xbone will be "inferior", but I personally feel that the "all in one" label is entirely inappropriate for a device that is really just an alternative interface for your tv (and a blu ray player and games console).
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While attempting to stay on topic, I completely agree. An all in one guitar pedal is useless if the musician purchased it to utilize multiple functions while playing live. The all in one feature for the XBOX[ONE] seems to have holes in its logic. For one, compatibility with cable/satellite provider boxes in the US will prove to be quite an issue. It's been mentioned before but, again, how is the XBONE all in one if the user still requires a cable box?

Personally, I was disappointed the focus has switched from 95% games to 50% entertainment gimmicks 50% gaming. They've clearly left the core gaming audience in the dust of their broader ambitions in pursuit of social entertainment goals and services(Skype, Netflix, TV TV TV, etc). It cannot be denied that if gaming were the main focus, there would have been very little need to make the first presentation almost entirely about TV.
 
I dont think X1 is looking to win over core gamers. It appears their eyes are on the more casual gaming market and home entertainment crowd.. If they can get the core gamers to follow with good games, all the better. They are after a new market though and if core gamers dont follow I dont think MS feel it will be a major issue. X1 wasnt design with the core gamer on the top of the list. If they were after the core gamer they would of never limited its gaming power to run 3 operating systems.
 
fatkrakr
I dont think X1 is looking to win over core gamers. It appears their eyes are on the more casual gaming market and home entertainment crowd.. If they can get the core gamers to follow with good games, all the better. They are after a new market though and if core gamers dont follow I dont think MS feel it will be a major issue. X1 wasnt design with the core gamer on the top of the list. If they were after the core gamer they would of never limited its gaming power to run 3 operating systems.
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Citation needed.
 
fatkrakr
If they were after the core gamer they would of never limited its gaming power to run 3 operating systems.
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Jesus tap dancing christ! No wonder I can't run Crysis 3 on my PC at 60FPS! It's becuase i'm only using one Operating System (Windows 7)!

Because a better gaming experience needs more than one Operating System, right?

You, sir, are a genius!
 
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dice1998
Jesus tap dancing christ! No wonder I can't run Crysis 3 on my PC at 60FPS! It's becuase i'm only using one Operating System (Windows 7)!

Because a better gaming experience needs more than one Operating System, right?

You, sir, are a genius!
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I do believe you miss read that genius!
 
5GB of ram is still lightyears faster than the current 512mb. Yes, the 8GB not really being 8GB could potentially be misleading, but gamers should still see massive improvements over the 360.

Not that I was planning on buying the One (or the PS4 for that matter), as it's more money than I have right now.
 

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