The Xbox One Thread - One X & One SXBOne

[dr_slump]

It's hardly as if they ban people for no reason. Most bans are handed out for console modding, which is a clear violation of the XBL ToS.
Other bans are handed out for persistent harassment of other players (like racism & such), which is also a violation of the XBL ToS and makes you a terrible human being, or savegame modding which really falls into the same category as console modding.

Getting yourself banned from XBL as a whole isn't exactly an easy feat. You get warnings and such, and its always for something that's clearly defined as being a bannable offense in the ToS.
Game bans (like AH/SF bans in Forza or MM bans in Halo) are easier to pick up, but again, they're not just thrown out willy-nilly. If you get banned, you've done something to deserve it.

And banning people from the online xbox live services wouldn't be enough? No they really have to block offline games too?

Heck, you couldn't even create a second acc because all games would still be registred under the banned acc.

 

[HighSeasHoMastr]

And banning people from the online xbox live services wouldn't be enough? No they really have to block offline games too?

Heck, you couldn't even create a second acc because all games would still be registred under the banned acc.

It probably would be yeah, but honestly I don't have a problem with this way either. Makes the consequences a little more severe, since now instead of just paying $60 and getting a new LIVE account, you'd be out all your games too. Maybe it'll cut down on the number of people who do that crap now that there's more on the line.

Anything that cuts down on modders, cheaters, griefers, and harassers is a good thing in my book 👍

 

[LaBounti]

Being black and hearing the "N" word repeatedly "online" turned me off to online play. Those users should get a warning followed by a ban followed by permanent ban if done again. Mod your system or repeated racist slurs should get you locked out forever. Nothing extreme about that.

 

[DG_Silva]

Anything that cuts down on modders, cheaters, griefers, and harassers is a good thing in my book 👍

Yeah, but because it's Microsoft who suggested it, it must be evil, and therefore wrong... /sarcasm

 

[ASH32]

I can see it now, tons of complaints because little Jimmy's Xbone does not work anymore because little Timmy came round to play and said some naughty words to someone online.

 

[HighSeasHoMastr]

I can see it now, tons of complaints because little Jimmy's Xbone does not work anymore because little Timmy came round to play and said some naughty words to someone online.

It takes persistent infractions of that kind to earn a ban. So if Timmy is coming over every day and doing it then yea, but how would that not be Jimmy's fault for letting him do it...?

The ban system on 360 is really fair and doesn't lead to bans wherein the person did nothing wrong. There's no reason this will change.

I swear, so people just wanna bash on MS and don't think things through. I really don't understand it; MS has legitimately been pretty good for gaming, why does everyone hate them so much..?

 

[Monatsende]

[...] why does everyone hate them so much..?

It`s quite a phenomenon.

 

[ASH32]

It takes persistent infractions of that kind to earn a ban. So if Timmy is coming over every day and doing it then yea, but how would that not be Jimmy's fault for letting him do it...?

The ban system on 360 is really fair and doesn't lead to bans wherein the person did nothing wrong. There's no reason this will change.

I swear, so people just wanna bash on MS and don't think things through. I really don't understand it; MS has legitimately been pretty good for gaming, why does everyone hate them so much..?

The Mic is always on now though so he can't stop others speaking and his mates could say things and not even know it's been picked up. I'm sure some racist language or something could end up with a permanent ban but having never been on Live I don't know how or if Microsoft deal with these things.

I've seen plenty of people complaining about bans now, if a ban in future means they can't play games anymore, which is certainly possible, the complaining is only going to get louder.

 

[Monatsende]

Who the 🤬 is Timmy?

 

[Starciller]

Who the 🤬 is Timmy?

And Jimmy O.o.

 

[ASH32]

Who the 🤬 is Timmy?

Random name and it rhymed with Jimmy. Call them what you like.💡

 

[PepeMickey]

It takes persistent infractions of that kind to earn a ban. So if Timmy is coming over every day and doing it then yea, but how would that not be Jimmy's fault for letting him do it...?

The ban system on 360 is really fair and doesn't lead to bans wherein the person did nothing wrong. There's no reason this will change.

I swear, so people just wanna bash on MS and don't think things through. I really don't understand it; MS has legitimately been pretty good for gaming, why does everyone hate them so much..?

The xbox360 was designed in modules so that MS could charge for things like rechargeable batteries, the "play&charge" cable, Wi-Fi, external HDD that had to be MS's own. The PS3 came ready with all that and they gave you options.

Then you have the RROD horror stories and the Xbox Live service which really doesn't give you anything, you still had to pay for things like Facebook and Netflix on top of your $60 Live gold fee.

Still wondering why?

And now, you have the Xbone which is anti-consumer and anti-gamer. MS is still going to use AA batteries for their gamdpads so that you sooner or later end up buying their "play&charge" kit. The mandatory instalations combined with the 500 GB HDD are another way of saturating your drive and a few years down the line you end up buying a bigger MS's own HDD.

Still?...

 

[Famine]

It takes persistent infractions of that kind to earn a ban.

Actually a friend of mine was banned for having the "f" word in his profile.

And speaking of bans, this should really go without saying but:

Get banned = have to buy all the licences for your games again. And, while it's not clear from the response, it could easily apply to temporary bans rather than just permanent ones...

 

[chromatic9]

Actually a friend of mine was banned for having the "f" word in his profile.

And speaking of bans, this should really go without saying but:

Get banned = have to buy all the licences for your games again. And, while it's not clear from the response, it could easily apply to temporary bans rather than just permanent ones...

I watched a video with Major Nelson and he says you just get banned from online gaming, they don't lock out your games collection. I assume this is disc and digital download games.



at 0:48

 

[Famine]

Mixed messages again then

They're getting really good at this.

 

[HighSeasHoMastr]

MS engineer speaks out about Xbox One policies.(NSFW language)

This is basically what I've assumed since day one. These decisions were made for a reason, and anyone who thinks that reason was just to 🤬 consumers is fooling themselves. I'm excited to see where things go with the One.

I agree with what he said too, the PS4 is status quo. It's PS3.5, there's nothing new there. At least the One is trying to do new things. But that's a discussion for a different thread.

 

[sesselpupser]

If that's what they're trying to do, why wouldn't they just say so? It's not as if the One needs to start off as Steam did, they could simply see how Steam is now and do that, not see how Steam WAS and do that. If they'd come right out and said the One's DRM was designed to kill physical retailers so gamers get cheap games, why wouldn't you just say that? Instead everyone thinks they're bowing to publisher pressure to kill the used game market and screw the consumer in the process, as all forms of DRM do to a certain extent.

So basically the way they've sold it so far it's all downsides to the consumer but very clearly beneficial to publisher, yet here we have a foul mouthed employee selling it much better than Microsoft did.

Edit: you really should put a language warning on that link.

 

[Tornado]

MS engineer speaks out about Xbox One policies.

This is basically what I've assumed since day one. These decisions were made for a reason, and anyone who thinks that reason was just to 🤬 consumers is fooling themselves. I'm excited to see where things go with the One.

I agree with what he said too, the PS4 is status quo. It's PS3.5, there's nothing new there. At least the One is trying to do new things. But that's a discussion for a different thread.

The problem being that even his explanation contradicts itself several times before he was done saying it (for example, he seems to be arguing that Microsoft is trying to act as a mediator to keep publishers from getting more power, but by very nature this system gives publishers far more power); and as far as prices coming down as a result of it as they do on Steam I don't really see why that should be assumed to be the case as he is doing..

 

[chromatic9]

A good point is raised in the video. If you have the disc then that's all you should need to authenticate

Microsoft are pushing every 24hrs and not giving you the option. What some MS employees have said its hard to explain the benefits, you just have to use it. that's could be failing at your job or could be true.

I think MS should allow you to decide how you authenticate, ease people in. What MS have is a good idea, you have a bunch of games installed via disc and instead of needing that disc for each in the drive, you authenticate online. if you have reliable internet you shouldn't have a problem. if the net goes down you reach for a disc, you go working at sea each year for a few months or whatever you take the disc

Sony may be missing a trick here if they don't have online authentication at least as an option. Its backwards to not allow online authentication. Some may not find disc swapping a problem but I use Steam on PC, was into getting discs on PC but eventually got into Steam more. I like to play 20min of SFIV, play an hour of Crysis, gert started in Saints Row the Third that I just bought easily. opening cases, ejecting discs gets inconvient. If SFIV was on a disc, after a few weeks I'd probably misplace the case and not bother looking for it and playing a quick match I may not bother even if the disc is right there.

So yeah, let people see the benefits, if they want to take their XBO on holiday they should be able to or if some roadworks etc are going on in your area you can still play games.

Major Nelson talks about flexibility but in many ways it isn't flexible at all.

 

[Jawehawk]

So MS is trying to go all digital. Guess what, some of us likes to have Physical copies of our games... Scratching Blu-Ray discs to the point where they become unuseable, is quite difficult, unless of course you are literally trying to do so.

And Steam isn't all good either. Sure, their sales are great, and the service itself has worked quite well the last few years. But it's still a DRM service, that one is forced to use for a set number of games.

As for Cloud computing. All this means is that every game that uses it, will require to constantly be connected to the internet. There goes our single player games... And it simply isn't neccesary. I'm not a tech guru, but I'll go out on a limb and say that up to 8 gigs of RAM, coupled with a proper CPU and GPU, should do fine for many years to come. Hell, look how far we've come with the tech in the 360 and PS3. And the gap is huge! Buttom line is that Cloud isn't going to give anything that wasn't already possible by using the hardware at disposal.

As for Kinect. Nothing they say can change the fact that it supposedly upped the price by 20 procent, and that a good deal of the consumer don't care about it, nor want it. Just another piece of forced hardware.

 

[phillgt2002]

So MS is trying to go all digital. Guess what, some of us likes to have Physical copies of our games... Scratching Blu-Ray discs to the point where they become unuseable, is quite difficult, unless of course you are literally trying to do so.

You still get physical copies of games on the XB1. You just have to install them to the HDD.

As for Cloud computing. All this means is that every game that uses it, will require to constantly be connected to the internet. There goes our single player games... And it simply isn't neccesary. I'm not a tech guru, but I'll go out on a limb and say that up to 8 gigs of RAM, coupled with a proper CPU and GPU, should do fine for many years to come. Hell, look how far we've come with the tech in the 360 and PS3. And the gap is huge! Buttom line is that Cloud isn't going to give anything that wasn't already possible by using the hardware at disposal.

The cloud isn't just for graphics. It's supposed to change the way games are and gives a more dynamic feel. Steam is nothing like XB1.

As for Kinect. Nothing they say can change the fact that it supposedly upped the price by 20 procent, and that a good deal of the consumer don't care about it, nor want it. Just another piece of forced hardware.

The Kinect sensor is a really unique piece of tech. To say they haven't done anything but raised the price something that shouldn't be said. The consumer will find it as a plus with the console since it's packaged with something that is the equivalent to a mid/high end PC.

 

[chromatic9]

Some people on bandwidth caps will have a bad time. Right now they just forfeit their multiplayer for a few days or a week until the next month rolls up or less bothered. Now they'll have to watch what they do on the internet even more carefully as they'll lock out their console that they paid $500 for and the $60game is sitting right there.

I'm lucky to not have those cap issues or ever have them and you may say to that person change your net but certain areas today in America only have one ISP, with a cap and quite a large price compared to other areas.

You'd think one day these problems will be less and less for the majority of the main gaming countries and in 3 years Xbox One will start to make sense. I totally get what MS are saying and somewhat forsee the move to digital is coming one day but it does seem 3-5 years away.

I heard how MS liken the backlash to the original xbox needing broadband, people flipped out back then in 2002. Also MS see this as a long game and very confident they've built a forward thinking system and PS4 is a system for today and they'll take a hit now for a reward later on. it's a very adamant mantra they have.

On paper I tend to agree that Xbox One, Xbox Live and incoming infrastructure is able to roll with the future. the Kinect might seem bad to some but little things like watching TV and you get a message in the corner saying your mate is online, instead of booting up your PS4, switching AV inputs to see who's online or just saying play forza instead of backing out of menus is a nice feature and quicker than pressing buttons scrolling through the library and launching the game. Sometimes its not of course but why not a have a smart system like you see elsewhere.

For PS4 I'd like to see voice commands built into the system. I've no idea if the PS eye has them.

Like I said before there's many times voice can be better, other times not. A new future system should be looking forward and voice command should be built in and have a switch to turn off if not wanted. In 2016 PS4 might look really dated without voice command.

I'd love to read and say a redeem code than say use the joypad scrolling all over the shop for 20 characters

 

[dr_slump]

MS engineer speaks out about Xbox One policies.(NSFW language)

This is basically what I've assumed since day one. These decisions were made for a reason, and anyone who thinks that reason was just to 🤬 consumers is fooling themselves. I'm excited to see where things go with the One.

I agree with what he said too, the PS4 is status quo. It's PS3.5, there's nothing new there. At least the One is trying to do new things. But that's a discussion for a different thread.

I first want to see big titles new at 40$. I don't believe it.

I mean if you look at current DLC prices...

 

[Akira AC]

You still get physical copies of games on the XB1. You just have to install them to the HDD.

Which are still useless because what they really are is a piece of plastic to justify the $60, they can't be used without whatever account was tied to it, so the point of the disc have indeed become redundant in that case.

The cloud isn't just for graphics. It's supposed to change the way games are and gives a more dynamic feel. Steam is nothing like XB1.

Current XB1 scheme is exactly as Steam, a DRM based-account tied system, as far as technicalities goes the XB1 hasn't demonstrated yet can can be done with it, as it stands is just remote data processing exactly like matchmaking online systems.

The Kinect sensor is a really unique piece of tech. To say they haven't done anything but raised the price something that shouldn't be said. The consumer will find it as a plus with the console since it's packaged with something that is the equivalent to a mid/high end PC.

The Kinect 2.0 is still not necessary for the consumer, making it a bundle wasn't necessary in the first place. Besides, having experienced Kinect myself, and having friends who have used the device for some time have found little to no use for it, voice commands are redundant as people have these very efficient input devices called "controllers" which are great to navigate through menus and use functions.

Kinect 2.0 is a pad-input device wannabe, the problem with it is that is not simple, using hand gestures to make the menus navigable is not user friendly, is a gimmick, part of the reasons why tablets and smartphones have overthrown computer devices for many is that they can simulate PC inputs with sacrificing user friendliness. It might have impressive technology ... but is useless tech, is no simple, lacks feedback, and it has little application in the real world scenario.

 

[sesselpupser]

Another thing that occurred to me is that they don't have to kill physical games to copy Steam. Look at the PC platform; you've got physical games, Steam, Origin, Games for Windows Live, uPlay, Desura, free games, DRM-less games and independent digital retailers.

Microsoft - apparently - wants to kill physical games (and the retailers that sell them) so they can offer deep discounts because you won't be able to transfer your cheap stuff to someone else. But, right, why not keep the physical games but also offer deep discounts on digital stuff tied to your account? It would still annoy physical retailers as they're being undercut, but people still get the choice and if they can choose between a £40 physical copy they can share/sell or £10 for one they can't... Yeah.

This is forgetting the fact that I've NEVER seen even a slight discount on anything sold on GFWL. Never. Yet those purchases are non-transferable exactly the same way Steam purchases are non-transferable, so I really don't buy that explanation.


As for the Kinect thing, I can kind of see where they're coming from. With the 360 it wasn't a sure thing that the player would have a Kinect so it wasn't possible to do anything really groundbreaking with it, whatever they made had to be playable with a controller too. With the Kinect being included with every One, there's a standard developers can work from to do more interesting stuff. Whether they will or not is a different matter, of course.

 

[Samus]

The game discs are basically just install discs. I'm pretty sure they're only there because MS knows the world's broadband isn't fast enough for a download only console yet.

 

[Com Fox]

I still find this "new evolution of gaming" to just be a waste of money.

 

[chromatic9]

Bit off topic but what do you guys think of Titanfall?

Media see it as the next big thing, some already claiming its amazing and going to be their go to online game in 2014.

I've watched many videos and aside from the odd mech moment its all just plain shooting dudes as per crysis 2/3. The sections and sci-fi feel, hud design they look very similar most of the time. Killzone 3 had mech type stuff but no-one gave a fig.

 

[dr_slump]

Bit off topic but what do you guys think of Titanfall?

Media see it as the next big thing, some already claiming its amazing and going to be their go to online game in 2014.

I've watched many videos and aside from the odd mech moment its all just plain shooting dudes as per crysis 2/3. The sections and sci-fi feel, hud design they look very similar most of the time. Killzone 3 had mech type stuff but no-one gave a fig.

Looks great so far.
Multiplayer seems to be more like an arcady shooter with relatively fast (and probably chaotic) gameplay. Movements are fast, jetpacks expand the vertical.

I just hope they can balance the titans with the humans.

I really like the presentation of the game at the beginning. Even during the multiplayer battle you feel almost like in a mission. Not sure what type of gamemode that was though, something rush like perhaps?
The fusing of singleplayer and multiplayer is interesting anyway.

 

[Wiegert]

It's one of those titles that I can genuinely see as being great online, at least on PC. Not sure how much interest there will be for the 360/One versions, or a possible PS4 release later. The mech HUD design and gameplay is pretty enticing even if much of the time is running and gunning on foot, which doesn't appear to offer anything quite as interesting to me. Then I remember games with similar elements such as Hawken, and I'm reminded how much more exciting it appears to be both visually and in terms of gameplay.

Titanfall is one title I want to keep track of, However.