Think u r good in GT4? Think again! 5min34sec ride of ur life!

[05_Stang]

3rdgenracerX I already posted the link it is about two posts above yours. Did you this whole thread? Cuase it kinda seems like you didn't, considering what you said had basically already been said.

 

[McLaren]

That's a hard track. Its kinda obvious that that took a few tries to make that time. Good job.

BTW, what's the hardest licnese test?

 

[Majarvis]

Probably a stupid question, but was this Sauber fully modified? If so, can you post the power rating?

Also, this time will be nothing when people start unlocking the F1 car

 

[SaintKamus]

I don't think even the mighty McLaren F1 has broken 7:00 at the ring. Look at the Porsche Carrera GT - its time is 7:28 isn't it?



p.s

Which thread was the realism issue mentioned - I'd like to read it.

the McLaren F1 road car??? that car is a dragster, it's the most overrated supercar of all time. it's lightning fast on a straight... but it's far from a good cornering machine, wich sucks considering the cost of the car, and the fact that it's light as hell, with some modifications that of course changes dramaticly... but the McLaren F1 is even beaten by a tuned evo on tskuba circuit... when you consider the price difference, it's just humilliating.

 

[McLaren]

because its tuned.

 

[Daave]

Did you use DFP? or this done with a DS2?

 

[Coyote]

So there's the challenge - to beat 246mph down the main straight and beat 3:16.5 around the unchicaned circuit.

Arcade Mode, Sauber C9 quicktuned (+20% PS, -10% weight), R5 tyres, I made 250 mph (402.x kmh) and 2'51 if I remember. I'm an average driver. But I also think, even unchicaned, it's not the same version of Le Mans.

With the same car, but Sim Mode + Turbo 4 (almost 1200 ps) and after some setup, I managed a top speed of 273 mph (440 kmh)

 

[Jedi2016]

With the same car, but Sim Mode + Turbo 4 (almost 1200 ps) and after some setup, I managed a top speed of 273 mph (440 kmh)

Man, that's got to be a rush... I can't wait to find the fastest car I can to zip down that straightaway. Unlike the Test Course, you actually get a sense of speed on LeMans because of the trees and buildings.

 

[petsmart]

Omg

 

[N.J.]

Arcade Mode, Sauber C9 quicktuned (+20% PS, -10% weight), R5 tyres, I made 250 mph (402.x kmh) and 2'51 if I remember. I'm an average driver. But I also think, even unchicaned, it's not the same version of Le Mans.

With the same car, but Sim Mode + Turbo 4 (almost 1200 ps) and after some setup, I managed a top speed of 273 mph (440 kmh)

Not the same version as the early 80's track - hmm, thats a bummer 👎

2:51 & top speed of 273mph - not bad



p.s

I was anticipating some of these records to be a real challenge. (6:11 at the ring, 3:16 at unchicaned le mans) Seems a bit too easy...

*What kinds of times are people getting with the McLaren?

 

[Slip]

Did you use DFP? or this done with a DS2?

Yeah, I'm wondering about this too.

It looks so smooth for the most part, but there are a couple instances that seem almost too jerky.

It is pretty fast mind you.

If that's DS2, it looks like PD really upped their support for DS2 controller users.

 

[daan]

Well when the real life record at the ring is 6:11 recorded back in '83 by Stefan Bellof in the awesome 956, I must admit - it does make you wonder how realistic GT4 is when a time of 5:34 is recorded.

You assume that the 956 didn't get any quicker after 1983? It was improved constantly and then evolved into the 962. Which also improved and got faster.

Also, don't let the fact the 1983 956 is an old car fool you. It dominated for more than ten years at Le mans and only started to feel dated in 1998.

The 956/962 24 hrs of Le Mans top 10 record

* 1982: 1-2-3
* 1983: 1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-10
* 1984: 1-2-3-4-5-6-7-9
* 1985: 1-2-3-4-8-9-10
* 1986: 1-2-3-4-5-9-10
* 1987: 1-2-4
* 1988: 2-3-5-6-7-8-9-10
* 1989: 3-6-10
* 1990: 3-4-8-9-10
* 1992: 7-9-10
* 1993: 7-9
* 1994: 1-3

I'd only call that dominating for 6 years. The 94 win was by the Dauer 962.

 

[Moadib]

I hope you guys noticed taht this car is a Sauber C9. This time is realistic, it's just that no one has the guts to drive that fast with taht much precision.

It's not about guts, it's about sanity. If that guy hits the wall he goes "damn", hits a couple of buttons and goes nuts again. In real life you would _never_ drive anything remotely close to that. One mistake and they'd need a dustpan and brush to collect your remains.

That's the sort of thing that's never appealled to me in racing games - like the Cita d'Aria circuit (sp?), where to get a good time the only way is to hurl your car through tiny gaps at insane speeds. Sure it's do-able, but utterly unrealistic to how anyone would normally drive. In F1 sims I could drive Monaco a couple of seconds faster than Senna - I mean really?!?! Me faster than Senna? Hardly.

Anything's possible in a game, but surely not when it's a "real driving simulator"?

 

[Stune]

Make no mistake the mclaren is a slower car than the sauber espically through corners. I would guess around 6:10 - 6:00 would be a good lap

By the way If anyone has unlocked the TVR speed 12 can they just do a few laps time attack on the ring to see how the times compare with the xboxes Project Gotham Racing 2 please

 

[Famine]

It's not about guts, it's about sanity. If that guy hits the wall he goes "damn", hits a couple of buttons and goes nuts again. In real life you would _never_ drive anything remotely close to that. One mistake and they'd need a dustpan and brush to collect your remains.

That's the sort of thing that's never appealled to me in racing games - like the Cita d'Aria circuit (sp?), where to get a good time the only way is to hurl your car through tiny gaps at insane speeds. Sure it's do-able, but utterly unrealistic to how anyone would normally drive. In F1 sims I could drive Monaco a couple of seconds faster than Senna - I mean really?!?! Me faster than Senna? Hardly.

Anything's possible in a game, but surely not when it's a "real driving simulator"?

There are things NO home simulator can acheive. These include peripheral vision - you're watching the action on a TV - gravity - you're partaking from a chair - and potential risk to the driver.

Unless you have a game specifically programmed for a 360 degree - in three dimensions - field of view, obstructed by vehicle parts and set upon a hydraulic platform to simulate cornering forces and ascent/descent, with a risk of injury should you crash, this is the best you're going to get out of the PS2.

Sounds like you're a prime candidate for my racing suit.

 

[Moadib]

There are things NO home simulator can acheive....

No arguments on that score, but then again GT4 can't create a real car or real circuits either - it "simulates" them. So when it claims to simulate a real driving experience, I believe it can come closer than it does.

I really like the racing suit by the way. Now there's a challenge - stick that suit on people, THEN see how many would come close to that gold license at the 'Ring....?

John

PS - Haven't heard Mr. Flibble for a while either!

 

[F310B]

I'd imagine a lot of it has to do with the C9 being on soft tires and having power upgrades. Also, it doesn't look like the bumps are unsettling the car very much. I think if you reached those kind of speeds in real life you would either get airborne and fly into the trees, or catch a bump and be flung into the wall.

One of my favourite driving games was TOCA 2 on the PS1, because you really could lose the car over the bumps. But in GT3 you could never do that, and in GT4 it doesn't look like you can either!

Btw, I think the Sauber C9 record at unchicaned Le Mans is 3:15.02 by Jochen Mass.

I think the absolute record is 3:14.80 by a Porsche 962.

 

[Rabbi_Doom]

I am planning my own test of how realistic this game is. I have a video of Dirk Schoysman (broke the production car lap record for the nurburgring back in the 80's) doing a lap of the 12.9 mile northern loop in a 600 hp nissan skyline. I'm gonna try and get the specs as close as i can for a skyline in the game and then compare the two side by side. Basicly see if I can have sloppy lines and still keep up. The northern loop is very old and lumpy so it will be interesting to see where a driver slows down for fear of damage to his car/personal injury and where I just blast right through it with no fear at all.

BTW i really like the racing suit idea. Nice touch with the acid.

 

[tha_con]

Um...just so everyone knows this is only the demo video for the last S-License test, hence the "S-16" because it's the 16th test...

I dunno if it was actually recorded by a driver, or it's just AI running a line.

 

[Stune]

I dont know. They had them since Gt2 didnt they. It doesnt look very AI ish

 

[Mercedes SLR]

This could become quite interesting beating real-life times NJ. Post up some more from real life tracks like Fuji etc so people can have a go at them.

 

[Stune]

Im expecting real life times at fuji to be nearly as good as GT4 times becouse its a much shorter track with less life or death risks which you would take in games and not in reall life

 

[[SS]Ares]

Im expecting real life times at fuji to be nearly as good as GT4 times becouse its a much shorter track with less life or death risks which you would take in games and not in reall life

check the topic about Tsukuba laptimes, the times in there are very much alike the reall laptimes!

 

[tha_con]

I dont know. They had them since Gt2 didnt they. It doesnt look very AI ish

let me clarify more. I own the game. This is the same demo in the game. Same thing. Not a captured video of someone playing. Someone took their capture card, started the demo, and recorded it. This is not real time play by a person.

Hope that clears everything up and kills rumor

 

[N.J.]

It's not about guts, it's about sanity. If that guy hits the wall he goes "damn", hits a couple of buttons and goes nuts again. In real life you would _never_ drive anything remotely close to that. One mistake and they'd need a dustpan and brush to collect your remains.

That's the sort of thing that's never appealled to me in racing games - like the Cita d'Aria circuit (sp?), where to get a good time the only way is to hurl your car through tiny gaps at insane speeds. Sure it's do-able, but utterly unrealistic to how anyone would normally drive. In F1 sims I could drive Monaco a couple of seconds faster than Senna - I mean really?!?! Me faster than Senna? Hardly.

Anything's possible in a game, but surely not when it's a "real driving simulator"?

👍

 

[N.J.]

You assume that the 956 didn't get any quicker after 1983? It was improved constantly and then evolved into the 962. Which also improved and got faster.



The 956/962 24 hrs of Le Mans top 10 record

* 1982: 1-2-3
* 1983: 1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-10
* 1984: 1-2-3-4-5-6-7-9
* 1985: 1-2-3-4-8-9-10
* 1986: 1-2-3-4-5-9-10
* 1987: 1-2-4
* 1988: 2-3-5-6-7-8-9-10
* 1989: 3-6-10
* 1990: 3-4-8-9-10
* 1992: 7-9-10
* 1993: 7-9
* 1994: 1-3

I'd only call that dominating for 6 years. The 94 win was by the Dauer 962.

Sorry - what I meant to say was (yes) it dominated for the 1st 6 years, finished in the top 3 10 times during the next twelve years and only finished racing at Le mans in 1998.

Thats a mighty impressive record. (yes, I'm aware its performance was enhanced over the years, but I only have the 956's info from the 'IN CAR 956' DVD)

p.s

I liked how you said 'ONLY' dominated for 6 years.

 

[Mercedes SLR]

Yeah but you can hardly simulate death in a games console after all, it is entertainment!

 

[N.J.]

I'd imagine a lot of it has to do with the C9 being on soft tires and having power upgrades. Also, it doesn't look like the bumps are unsettling the car very much. I think if you reached those kind of speeds in real life you would either get airborne and fly into the trees, or catch a bump and be flung into the wall.

One of my favourite driving games was TOCA 2 on the PS1, because you really could lose the car over the bumps. But in GT3 you could never do that, and in GT4 it doesn't look like you can either!

Btw, I think the Sauber C9 record at unchicaned Le Mans is 3:15.02 by Jochen Mass.

I think the absolute record is 3:14.80 by a Porsche 962.

Hmm - Interesting, 3:14.80...good research.

 

[Stune]

let me clarify more. I own the game. This is the same demo in the game. Same thing. Not a captured video of someone playing. Someone took their capture card, started the demo, and recorded it. This is not real time play by a person.

Hope that clears everything up and kills rumor

Yeah what i meant was someone at polyphony must have drove that lap in the first place for it to be on the game as a reply. I doubt it was AI driving

 

[N.J.]

This could become quite interesting beating real-life times NJ. Post up some more from real life tracks like Fuji etc so people can have a go at them.

I'll go and throw 'IN CAR 956' in my DVD player and time Derek Bell's fastest lap around Fuji for you.

Although, there will be quicker times down without that massive camera in the car, but it will give a pretty good indication of the pace around there.

For Le mans and the ring, a commentator does mention their lap times, average speeds, top speeds. For the other laps, Derek Bell gives a running commentary of things like what speed through corners, what gear, whether the corner induces oversteer or understeer, bumpy or not etc. etc.

p.s

Just got back from watching one of Derek Bell's quicker laps after the tyres heating a bit - Around the 2.67 mile circuit, he went around in 1:15, top speed about 200mph down the main straight.

One thing of particular note was the 4th corner - very bumpy and it usually causes a tremendous amount of oversteer...it'd be interesting to see if this has being recreating properly in GT4.