"Three Legendary Cars" Trophy

[rhalgr]

This car was once destined to win because it was designed to win and many felt it was going to win...

Every car is designed to win. Nissan didn't design the GTR for the GT3 series to fail countless times in 24 races. Aston Martin in the F1 is designed to win and not designed to be last in the championship. The trophy is nonsense, because actual winners don't count and a car not even racing does count.

 

[sh33p]

Every car is designed to win. Nissan didn't design the GTR for the GT3 series to fail countless times in 24 races. Aston Martin in the F1 is designed to win and not designed to be last in the championship. The trophy is nonsense, because actual winners don't count and a car not even racing does count.

There's no denying that logic.
I am 100% onboard with the wording of this trophy being wrong and ambiguous.

 

[Grimm6Jack]

Sigh.
Correct, the car did not race.


But the trophy description does not mention that it had to race, nor does it mention that it needed to win.

It states (in the English versions) that the car "was once destined to win"

Which is clearly past tense.
Which either means:
A. It completed its destiny and no longer needs to fulfil it.
B. It never completed its destiny and has failed it.

I know its hard for some people to comprehend that the word "destiny" is ambiguous and has different meanings in different cultures but a quick google search will verify this: Ie: look at the meaning on different various websites.

The way that PD view this word, "destiny" is not in same way that some people have been brought up to believe. They clearly believe that destiny is something that can be failed and this is what the wording of this trophy refers to.
-Some people believe that destiny is something that that has, and will always happen. No ifs or buts. You are correct for what destiny means to YOU but not necessarily for others. It's time to accept and understand this.

IE: This car was once destined to win because it was designed to win and many felt it was going to win... but it didn't. The car was once destined to win... but now it isn't, it failed its destiny. Fitting within the trophy description.

The trophy wording however clearly means that about 4-5 other cars within the game should also make the trophy pop and most feel that this was a purposeful design decision by PD.

If you take into account the clear design decisions of this game (the F2P model, the low credit limit, lowering credit earning potential, removed a prominent GT feature to sell cars, and limited time expensive cars) it's incredibly likely that they were pushing hard to make people buy MTX by purposely making this trophy vague and getting people to waste their credits on cars that didn't count.

Thankfully the community backlash has made PD change their design direction a little bit and they made progress in fixing the economy. Without that backlash that caused PD to increase the credit earning potential (and AFK methods), acquiring this trophy without MTX would have been a full time job just to get enough credits to buy all of the potential cars and PD know this. It was clearly the plan and they had hoped that it would make people feel more pressure to buy the excessively priced MTX.

They purposely made the last car appear near the end of the LDC refresh on purpose. Its even more clear that this was on purpose as its the only car that replaced a "sold out" car but didn't end up in the same spot, instead it was pushed right to the end of the page. It's all intentional. Pushing the last car out that long was done for a couple of reasons:
1. To Get people to spend their credits on other cars that also fit the trophy description
2. Prolong the games life cycle - there would have been less used copy's up for sale before this addition than what there will be now.

Anyone with a business sense and a general understanding of designing something can tell that PD have done all of these things on purpose and that purpose was.... to make as much money as possible...

Aside from the "destiny" part of what you wrote, which mind you, isn't technically wrong, but, since the word destiny (or something similar) doesn't appear at all in the original japanese description, it's pretty much irrelevant.
And like you said, there are other 5-6 cars (actually more if we go by that description, even a GT40 Mk. 1 road car would fit) that fit this cryteria and not just those 3.

But, the main point which you absolutely nailed it, was that PD did this on purpose to make people waste credits on cars that didn't count. Alongside all the points you already stated (low payouts, LCD rotation cycles, etc), which would of course make people use MTXs.

And also nice point in noticing that last detail, that the car that was cycled (the 427 Cobra) was in the middle and yet the 330 P4 was the only one (that I remember as well) that didn't get into its position, even post-updates, and went to the final spot where people have to move around to notice it. Wow, really PD???

But I thank you, you explained it in a way I wasn't able to. The main point of this trophy description being wrong was that it was done on purpose.

 

[max351]

The cars are these 3:

Ford Mark IV Race Car '67 - 4 600 000 Cr
Jaguar XJ13 - 12 000 000 Cr
Ferrari 330 P4 - 9 000 000 Cr

We can talk about the description for months.
Move on...

 

[Famine]

The cars are these 3:

Ford Mark IV Race Car '67 - 4 600 000 Cr
Jaguar XJ13 - 12 000 000 Cr
Ferrari 330 P4 - 9 000 000 Cr

Welcome to 36 hours ago. And also the first post of the thread.

We can talk about the description for months.
Move on...

It's a forum, where discussion happens. If you don't like people discussing things, that's kinda tough luck.

I suggest you move on, to a thread where the discussion is more to your liking, rather than trying to stifle it.

 

[max351]

Welcome to 36 hours ago. And also the first post of the thread.

Yep and after 36 hours it's still those 3 cars no matter what people try to mean by "destined" or something else.

It's a forum, where discussion happens. If you don't like people discussing things, that's kinda tough luck.

I suggest you move on, to a thread where the discussion is more to your liking, rather than trying to stifle it.

Discussion is always interesting when it comes to learning things. Discussing about the description of the trophy over and over will not change the conditions for obtaining that trophy. Some people don't admit that other people - like me - anticipated these cars based on previous GT trophies. I hunt Gran turismo trophies every episode since GT5 and I didn't care about the description because I suspected the cars needed. After winning the trophy, the description is still correct for the 3 cars mentioned above.

Usual stuff from Polyphony Digital...Kazunori is obsessed with the XJ13 for a long time.

 

[Famine]

Some people don't admit that other people - like me - anticipated these cars based on previous GT trophies.

Weird take to make this all about you... but the discussion is going to continue whether you like it or not.

Move on...

 

[max351]

I didn't think people would be so touchy for a trophy. That's what's weird.

 

[Samus]

I didn't care about the description because I suspected the cars needed.

Good for you. Everyone knew there was a chance it was those three repeated. Doesn't make the description any less misleading/incorrect.

 

[Famine]

I didn't think people would be so touchy for a trophy. That's what's weird.

People don't like having their time wasted - or, pre-1.12, wasting their money via microtransactions - with vague and misleading directions:

This one though uses wording that does not lead to the correct conclusion at all and you cannot pick it up by doing what is asked. More to the point, it leads to expensive (time-consuming) incorrect conclusions; there are eight different cars in the game that are both in the Legends dealer and which won 24 hour races and two more that are in the Legends dealer and which later won 24 hour races. That's ten candidate cars, rocking an average of five million credits each...

... and the 12m credit Jaguar XJ13 isn't one of them. If you were misled by the trophy description, you could be out 50 million+ credits discovering this fact and still not own the correct cars until the next time the XJ13 rotates into stock.

 

[max351]

Famine
This one though uses wording that does not lead to the correct conclusion at all and you cannot pick it up by doing what is asked. More to the point, it leads to expensive (time-consuming) incorrect conclusions; there are eight different cars in the game that are both in the Legends dealer and which won 24 hour races and two more that are in the Legends dealer and which later won 24 hour races. That's ten candidate cars, rocking an average of five million credits each...

... and the 12m credit Jaguar XJ13 isn't one of them. If you were misled by the trophy description, you could be out 50 million+ credits discovering this fact and still not own the correct cars until the next time the XJ13 rotates into stock.

From a purely literal point of view, where is it stated that the car must win in the description ?

Destined: regarded as developing as though according to a pre-existing plan.

About the XJ13, the pre-existing plan was to win after the 50s dominance and the regulations changes.

The people I warned not to buy the 917k or other cars with #LeMans laughed at me.

 

[Famine]

From a purely literal point of view, where is it stated that the car must win in the description ?

It'd help if you'd read any of the posts you're objecting to rather than trying to start it all over again. I already explained that looking at it in the past tense ("were destined to win") means that the outcome described actually happened - and it's also been explained that the original Japanese trophy description doesn't contain the word "destined" but "born" (which the XJ13 wasn't; it was never finished).

And that notwithstanding:

We can talk about the description for months.
Move on...

Interestingly, PD has already changed one Trophy description - which wasn't even particularly unclear:
Pre-1.11: Wheely Good Fun – Bought 10 sets of wheels
Post-1.11: Wheely Good Fun – Bought 10 sets of wheels at GT Auto

 

[Samus]

From a purely literal point of view, where is it stated that the car must win in the description ?

Destined: regarded as developing as though according to a pre-existing plan.

About the XJ13, the pre-existing plan was to win after the 50s dominance and the regulations changes.

The people I warned not to buy the 917k or other cars with #LeMans laughed at me.

Where does it state they want three specific cars? It doesn't.

From a purely literal point of view, many cars match the description but they only want three specific ones. That's where the annoyance is.

 

[max351]

Where does it state they want three specific cars? It doesn't.

From a purely literal point of view, many cars match the description but they only want three specific ones. That's where the annoyance is.

With other trophy hunters, we had deduced this from the Mark IV appearance in the legendary DS then even more with the XJ13 appearance. We simply made the connection with the GT5 trophy Dream Race.

I assume the fact that it may be a little presumptuous but with the experience of other GT, we understand how PoDi works to establish their trophy list. it can be seen as a calculating bet. I shared my opinion on these 3 cars from the start, stating that I had experience on the GT license and that the interpretation seemed to me to be the right one. People didn't want to take it.

 

[Samus]

With other trophy hunters, we had deduced this from the Mark IV appearance in the legendary DS then even more with the XJ13 appearance. We simply made the connection with the GT5 trophy Dream Race.

I assume the fact that it may be a little presumptuous but with the experience of other GT, we understand how PoDi works to establish their trophy list. it can be seen as a calculating bet. I shared my opinion on these 3 cars from the start, stating that I had experience on the GT license and that the interpretation seemed to me to be the right one. People didn't want to take it.

It's not hard to understand why people didn't want to take it, the trophy name was completely different from the GT5 one. The idea that it needed the same three cars was always just a hunch.

 

[Famine]

It's not hard to understand why people didn't want to take it, the trophy name was completely different from the GT5 one.

The challenge was completely different too - in GT5 you only had to own one of the three, and win a race (the Historic Racing Cup was the best option) which also featured the other two.

As for people "didn't want to take it", that's also nonsense. It was one of the possible options floated by several people (including me, six weeks before this user made any posts on the topic), with the caveat that the description wouldn't make any sense if that was going to be the case:

Some think that the Jaguar XJ13 is also a possible car (as it was introduced to GT5 alongside the Ferrari P4 and Ford MkIV), but it never raced anywhere, ever. The trophy description would be inappropriate for this car to be among the Three, but that's not impossible.

I'm sure that "experience of other GT" and "experience on the GT license" in picking up the clearly defined PSN Trophies in the two previous GT titles with PSN Trophies is relevant... somehow.

 

[Grimm6Jack]

From a purely literal point of view, where is it stated that the car must win in the description ?

Destined: regarded as developing as though according to a pre-existing plan.

About the XJ13, the pre-existing plan was to win after the 50s dominance and the regulations changes.

Jesus... Not this again!?

I assume the fact that it may be a little presumptuous but with the experience of other GT, we understand how PoDi works to establish their trophy list. it can be seen as a calculating bet. I shared my opinion on these 3 cars from the start, stating that I had experience on the GT license and that the interpretation seemed to me to be the right one. People didn't want to take it.

Samus already covered it up.

But I have played every GT to date and have been hunting their trophies since the start of it in GT5.

No other trophy is like this one in terms of description. None. Some of them may not be clear but they don't mislead you at all, like the "Rain License", which you may think that you need a rain license, but after doing all the license tests, which include the ones in the rain, the trophy pops up. It's part of the game progression.

This one with the 3 cars, misguides you completely into wasting your credits on other cars, in a game where credits are incredibly hard to come by.
You are just another guy who wants to act smartass by spraying into our faces that "YEAH I KNEW ALL ALONG", I mean, your first post stating which cars it was, despite the OP having it in bull-sized letters just speaks for itself.

The one in GT5 you only needed to own one of these 3 cars and win a race with all 3 of them in it, and in fact, the trophy was pretty well described for this. Not misleading at all.

I have dealt with people like you already. So please, move on. We aren't discussing which cars are part of the trophy anymore, we were discussing how wrong the description is about the trophy. 2 very different things, and as it was stated, this is a forum, discussions are par for the course.

 

[max351]

Edited: People who write in green are always right.

 

[Grimm6Jack]

Yep you are the smartest one, I bow to you.

In fact, I just have a good reflexion, deduction about the entire GT licence and how work the PoDi team around the same things in their trophy list and not just about a single description. It's obvious that this trophy isn't the same that GT5 one.
I don't waste my money to buy 917K '70, GT40 Mark I '66 or McLaren F1 GTR Race Car '97. It was a thoughtful process and it annoys the "smartest one" that someone could have thought differently.

I didn't buy the Mark IV and XJ13 because the payouts when those cars were available were an absolute mess, tried to grind for the XJ13 doing dozens of times over a few days, the Fisherman's Ranch, but the very next day PD cut the payouts by half when I was about 5 or 6 million away, and the next couple of days the XJ13 went out of stock.

You have no such deduction or reflexion about how PD works on their trophies. Everyone you just talked to, me, Samus, Famine, all had a hunch that it was those 3 cars, we never excluded that possibility, but we also have always stated, and correctly so, that many other cars would match the description and that the XJ13 doesn't.


I can get all the cars on this game by barely even lifting a finger mate (found out about the method way after the XJ13 and Mark IV were out of stock, unfortunately).
It's just a question of when they will be available again... I have over 60 million to spend on the next cars and will keep getting those credits until I reach the 100 million cap. So please... don't use that argument of why I didn't get those cars and bought the others. I will eventually buy all of them.

My problem has always been about scummy act of PD making the description wrong to make people use MTXs.


"I hAvE a GoOd ReFleCtION and dEdUcTIOn..."

Dude... please...

 

[max351]

I read again this thread or rather your thread given the number of times you write.
You're just bummed that people were able to buy the Mark V and the Jag at the start of the game but not you.

 

[snc]

From a purely literal point of view, where is it stated that the car must win in the description ?

Nowhere but somes are salty they their interpretation was wrong.

 

[Famine]

We can talk about the description for months.
Move on...

Funny that this came before six more posts from the same user arguing the toss about the description, and now we're at the you're just butthurt because my guess was right stage (when nobody denied the guess could be right in the first place).

 

[Grimm6Jack]

Funny that this came before six more posts from the same user arguing the toss about the description, and now we're at the you're just butthurt because my guess was right stage (when nobody denied the guess could be right in the first place).

Give it up mate. You tried. Let him sleep well this night. Let's... "move on".

 

[max351]

It's a forum, where discussion happens.🤷‍♂️

 

[Samus]

Nowhere but somes are salty they their interpretation was wrong.

No, people are "salty" that the description was at best extremely vague, at worst totally misleading.

 

[Famine]

It's a forum, where discussion happens.🤷‍♂️

Sure thing, but you're not discussing anything. You're proselytising, and for no good reason.

You waded in to tell everyone information we already knew, and to move on from discussing the description. Then you decided to tell everyone you were right from the start because of your experience with trophy hunting and PD (from a whole two games) and how people didn't listen even though your first post on the matter was the same post (seven weeks after the trophies were revealed) and pretty much everyone actually discussing it (in the intervening seven weeks) had it as a possibility all along.

Now you're dropping into borderline insults claiming people are "bummed" about it.

Seven posts on from your initial objection to discussion about this, take your own advice and move on.

 

[max351]

from a whole three games* (four with GT7)

And I move on.

 

[Famine]

Eight posts. You move on like an ex-wife.

from a whole three games* (four with GT7)

Two games with the trophy requirement involving any of these cars - the first of which didn't even require you to own two of the three...

The other two games of course had no such trophy, despite featuring all three cars, so your attempt to draw a straight line from at-best two dots was always a guess and not any particular feat of knowledge/experience.

Not least of all because your first post on the matter was literally 19 hours after everyone found out about it - the one I posted saying it was a possibility and quoted in this thread was back on March 13th. But you're pretending nobody listened to you in the posts you didn't make.

 

[max351]

It's funny for an administrator to tell me to move on but to remind me each time on very specific things like time data.
The other 2 games are part of the overall experience of how PD works regardless of the targeted trophy.

And, obviously, there are other very active GT communities or FB groups. GT planet is not alone in the world of GT. I didn't talk about it here actually but I discuss it on the French forums where it's easier for me to explain things in my native language.

 

[Famine]

Nine. Incredible.

It's funny for an administrator to tell me to move on

What's funnier is you told everyone to move on... but you won't. I've merely suggested you heed your own advice, since apparently discussing things is anathema.

Interesting you've now also gone for the administrator card.

The other 2 games are part of the overall experience of how PD works regardless of the targeted trophy.

Ah yes, if you ignore half of the existing data points and pretend the one remaining data point is actually something else, then obviously it's genius and not a guess.

And, obviously, there are other very active GT community or FB groups. GT planet is not alone in the world of GT. I didn't talk about it here actually but I discuss it on the French forums where it's easier for me to explain things in my native language.

Since you didn't post here about it until after the fact, nobody here can be accused of not paying attention to you - especially since lots of users here thought it was a possibility (and some were as sure as you allegedly were too - check out @ederss7 who posted on March 25 on page one of the thread). If people on other sites didn't pay attention to you, that's a problem you should express with the users of those sites instead rather than bringing your beef with them here.