Time Trial #75: 450pp FF Cars @ Suzuka

[GTP_CargoRatt]

What car are you using Cargo?? I might have missed it along the thread

Sorry about that, I'm using the INTEGRA TYPE R (DC5) '04.

 

[shoenboggie]

Thanks mate il put car up on share when I done for the day if you want to have a crack with it.
First sector I can really nail and can stay within 0.4 of cb ghost but I'm losing lots on hairpin,spoon,130r seems to just carry so much more speed and stability in to them

Same for me... Hairpin is costing me time and then spoon overdriving entry and getting on the power too soon and running wide. Haven't driven FF car in I would guess a year so still adjusting.

 

[Ridox2JZGTE]

Found interesting stuff while testing lots of FF cars Looks like putting ballast at the front actually increase PP - there are benefits of this too, better traction on exits and straight line pull - particularly from low gear/speed. Better stability mid corner and entry, but the downside is the driver has to be skillful in managing weight transfer and avoid excessive weight moved to the front while entering a corner. A good LSD and suspension setup would help greatly to balance the car handling. This front heavy setup works well on lightweight FF cars that lacks traction on lower gear/speed

Tested on the Suzuki Concept S2 tune posted above, with -50 ballast position, and updated LSD I liked the car even more.

I think some of the top 3 are using this tuning philosophy the more the weight at the front the better the traction when I tested the Integra , run aggressive ride height ( front low, rear high ) and aggressive spring ( front stiff and rear soft ), then a good gear setup is the main recipe. Toe and camber is driver preference - tune to get better rotation - that means not many camber at the front, and negative rear toe a must. Hope you guys get better time with the Integra.

Also, aim to highest HP possible with medium torque to take advantage of PP system, max ballast to help front bias setup, maybe chassis reinforcement could be beneficial too with such unstable weight bias.

 

[c-losk]

Sorry about that, I'm using the INTEGRA TYPE R (DC5) '04.

Cool thanks, Imma give that a try, I used the EG 95 at 446 pp but had no luck...

 

[StirlingMoose]

I had a go at this last night with the Integra and with no tunes posted I had to make one up. I went for full weight reduction, engine stage 3, turbo 3 and all the power upgrades then added full ballast all the way forward and a bit of power limiter to get back to 450PP. The suspension set-up was pure guesswork, stiff and low at the front, a bit softer on the rear. A bit extreme maybe but it seems to work ok. Did a 2:28.314 and I'm sure it could go a lot faster in the right hands.

 

[Cb]

I think some of the top 3 are using this tuning philosophy the more the weight at the front the better the traction when I tested the Integra , run aggressive ride height ( front low, rear high ) and aggressive spring ( front stiff and rear soft ), then a good gear setup is the main recipe. Toe and camber is driver preference - tune to get better rotation - that means not many camber at the front, and negative rear toe a must. Hope you guys get better time with the Integra.

Also, aim to highest HP possible with medium torque to take advantage of PP system, max ballast to help front bias setup, maybe chassis reinforcement could be beneficial too with such unstable weight bias.

Sounds like a short story of my posted set-up....

 

[GTP_CargoRatt]

I think some of the top 3 are using this tuning philosophy the more the weight at the front the better the traction when I tested the Integra , run aggressive ride height ( front low, rear high ) and aggressive spring ( front stiff and rear soft ), then a good gear setup is the main recipe. Toe and camber is driver preference - tune to get better rotation - that means not many camber at the front, and negative rear toe a must. Hope you guys get better time with the Integra.

Also, aim to highest HP possible with medium torque to take advantage of PP system, max ballast to help front bias setup, maybe chassis reinforcement could be beneficial too with such unstable weight bias.

I always go with that tuning philosophy when tuning FF cars. Seems to fit my driving style the best. I am running a very aggressive -0.60 rear toe right now which I may even raise a bit. Still playing around with the other settings for now which are:

RH 12/0
SR 6.5/8.0
EXT. 7/9
Comp. 5/7
ARB 6/2
Camber 2.5/1.0
Toe -0.05/-0.60
LSD 5/16/5

Still adjusting the trans settings and really not worth posting yet. I'm shifting at 8600 RPM though which seems to be optimal for now as I lose too much time shifting at redline which is 9000 RPM for my car.

 

[Cb]

I always go with that tuning philosophy when tuning FF cars. Seems to fit my driving style the best. I am running a very aggressive -0.60 rear toe right now which I may even raise a bit. Still playing around with the other settings for now which are:

RH 12/0
SR 6.5/8.0
EXT. 7/9
Comp. 5/7
ARB 6/2
Camber 2.5/1.0
Toe -0.05/-0.60
LSD 5/16/5

Still adjusting the trans settings and really not worth posting yet. I'm shifting at 8600 RPM though which seems to be optimal for now as I lose too much time shifting at redline which is 9000 RPM for my car.

Did you try aggresive front toe ?

 

[GTP_CargoRatt]

Did you try aggresive front toe ?

No, from past experiences aggressive front toe really doesn't help on FF cars....for me anyways

 

[Ridox2JZGTE]

Sounds like a short story of my posted set-up....

I use my Deadnuts tune as a base and improved it.

Heres my setup for INTEGRA TYPE R (DC5) '04. Currently 2.24.7 and still more time left on the track.

40, -25
15.0, 3.0
9, 1
9, 1
7, 1
Camber N' Toe 2.4, 0.5 _ 0.00, -0.50

LSD
5
50
5
BB 6, 5
Ballast weight reduction 3, ballast 183, -50kg (so ballast is 67front 33 back)
Engine 3

I always go with that tuning philosophy when tuning FF cars. Seems to fit my driving style the best. I am running a very aggressive -0.60 rear toe right now which I may even raise a bit. Still playing around with the other settings for now which are:

RH 12/0
SR 6.5/8.0
EXT. 7/9
Comp. 5/7
ARB 6/2
Camber 2.5/1.0
Toe -0.05/-0.60
LSD 5/16/5

Still adjusting the trans settings and really not worth posting yet. I'm shifting at 8600 RPM though which seems to be optimal for now as I lose too much time shifting at redline which is 9000 RPM for my car.

Interesting tunes, some are similar in style , Here is mine :

Honda Integra Type R DC5 '04

Power : depend on mileage - mine at 270+HP
Weight : 1199kg
Ballast Amount : 200kg
Ballast Position : -50
Weight Distribution : 68 / 32

Installed Upgrades :
Engine Tuning Stage 3, Weight Reduction Stage 3, Window Weight Reduction, Carbon Hood, Chassis reinforcement ( the car had this when used last time for online race )
ECU, Air Filter, Catalytic Converter Sports, Titanium Racing Exhaust
All Drivetrain upgrades, custom suspension and transmission, LSD


Transmission in kmh :
Reset to Default
Set Final to 6.000
Set Top Speed slider to left most ( minimum-180 kmh )
Set each gearing like so :
1st 2.926
2nd 2.169
3rd 1.685
4th 1.366
5th 1.155
6th 1.000

Set Final 4.810
The graph should show 242 kmh top speed


Suspension F/R
Height : -20 20
Spring : 15.0 3.6
Extension : 9 2
Comp : 2 9
ARB : 7 2
Camber : 1.8 3.6
Toe : -0.25 -0.25


LSD
Intitial : 7
Accel : 30
Brake : 7

Brake Balance : 9 / 7 - ABS 0, if using ABS, use rear bias balance to take advantage of the brake assist + stability - 5/7 or 4/7 for a start.

This tune is good for 2:27.1xx - no ABS -stick, rank 140 at that time. I had so many sloppy sections, the 1st sector is 1 full second slower than my best at 1:04.xxx, sloppy hairpin ( slides ), sloppy 130R ( too much loss in speed ) and bad last chicane. The Suzuki Concept S2 handled much better, but slower in straight line

Will put it on share on GTPCARSHARE if anyone interested

 

[CBH]

I use my Deadnuts tune as a base and improved it.






Interesting tunes, some are similar in style , Here is mine :

Honda Integra Type R DC5 '04

Power : depend on mileage - mine at 270+HP
Weight : 1199kg
Ballast Amount : 200kg
Ballast Position : -50
Weight Distribution : 68 / 32

Installed Upgrades :
Engine Tuning Stage 3, Weight Reduction Stage 3, Window Weight Reduction, Carbon Hood, Chassis reinforcement ( the car had this when used last time for online race - maybe better without )
ECU, Air Filter, Catalytic Converter Sports, Titanium Racing Exhaust
All Drivetrain upgrades, custom suspension and transmission, LSD


Transmission in kmh :
Reset to Default
Set Final to 6.000
Set Top Speed slider to left most ( minimum-180 kmh )
Set each gearing like so :
1st 2.926
2nd 2.169
3rd 1.685
4th 1.366
5th 1.155
6th 1.000

Set Final 4.810
The graph should show 242 kmh top speed


Suspension F/R
Height : -20 20
Spring : 15.0 3.6
Extension : 9 2
Comp : 2 9
ARB : 7 2
Camber : 1.8 3.6
Toe : -0.25 -0.25


LSD
Intitial : 7
Accel : 30
Brake : 7

Brake Balance : 9 / 7 - ABS 0, if using ABS, use rear bias balance to take advantage of the brake assist + stability - 5/7 or 4/7 for a start.

This tune is good for 2:27.1xx - no ABS -stick, rank 140 at that time. I had so many sloppy sections, the 1st sector is 1 full second slower than my best at 1:04.xxx, sloppy hairpin ( slides ), sloppy 130R ( too much loss in speed ) and bad last chicane. The Suzuki Concept S2 handled much better, but slower in straight line

Will put it on share on GTPCARSHARE if anyone interested

Thanks for that I will give that setup a try. My Honda Integra Type R DC5 '04 is 275bhp/8900rpm.

 

[Cb]

New set-up 2.24.1 now, Red-lapped a sub 24

Minimum ride height front, maximum ride height rear
15.0, 3.0
9, 1
9, 1
7, 1
Camber N' Toe 2.1, 0.5 _ 0.00, -0.50

Just tried RIGIDITY IMPROVEMENT Feels faster.

LSD
5
50
5
BB 6, 5
Ballast weight reduction 3, ballast 200kg, -50
Engine 3

 

[CBH]

New set-up 2.24.1 now, Red-lapped a sub 24

Minimum ride height front, maximum ride height rear
15.0, 3.0
9, 1
9, 1
7, 1
Camber N' Toe 2.1, 0.5 _ 0.00, -0.50

Just tried RIGIDITY IMPROVEMENT Feels faster.

LSD
5
50
5
BB 6, 5
Ballast weight reduction 3, ballast 183, -50kg (so ballast is 67front 33 back)
Engine 3

RIGIDITY IMPROVEMENT is a lot better cb, I thought it will be slower. But I will try it.

 

[Doodle]

Well done. 👍

 

[GTP_CargoRatt]

New set-up 2.24.1 now, Red-lapped a sub 24

Minimum ride height front, maximum ride height rear
15.0, 3.0
9, 1
9, 1
7, 1
Camber N' Toe 2.1, 0.5 _ 0.00, -0.50

Just tried RIGIDITY IMPROVEMENT Feels faster.

LSD
5
50
5
BB 6, 5
Ballast weight reduction 3, ballast 200kg, -50
Engine 3

Can't argue with your time there Cb, but boy that setup is very odd looking. Goes against everything I have learned and know as a tuner, especially the LSD part. But hey, if it works for you, as it obviously is, then go with it. Congrats on the improvement.

Still experimenting here myself, but have improved to a 2'28.052.

EDIT: Finally broke into the top 10 on my friends list, which is no easy feat with the friends I have. Down to a 2'27.735 now.

 

[skyline1683]

Improved to 2:26.616 after 30 odd laps and some advice from cb and chasing his ghost too.
Just red lapped a 26.2 after a ambitious entry speed in too 130r that with some practice I can get right.
Here's my setup

 

[Ridox2JZGTE]

I got sore fingers playing with stick, tuning various cars Got sloppy with braking as my thumb goes a bit numb, did another 1:04.xxx 1st sector, only to ruin it again at the hairpin and 130R , don't know if I can pull best sector throughout the track, if I can do that 1:04.xxx 1st sector again and managed to do the rest cleanly, maybe 2:25 or 2:26 is within reach
My old DS2 left analog stick is getting too old and worn out - 6 years of service, harder to steer the car and impossible to be precise like those with wheel Pretty happy with 2:27.1xx at the moment, the only stick user with no ABS on top 250, there are 5 other drivers with no ABS + wheel on top 250 - awesome.

 

[GTP_CargoRatt]

I'm on a roll, down to a 2'27.275. Think I've hit on the setup that works for me. Will post hit after I'm done with this session.

I might add, I've been eating Double Stuff Oreo cookies and dunking them in my Pepsi (Soda cookies) during this session. Not sure if that has anything to do with it, but worth a try I guess.

 

[Doodle]

I used Cb's setup for about 45 minutes or so and I beat his time by .003. 2:24.144

 

[GTPMcBride]

Serious Understeer first sector,
-25 +40
6.0 5.5
5 6
5 6
4 6
Camber 1.4 Rear 0.0
Toe -30 -20
LSD 10/25/15
No weight reduction,
100% Engine Power 273bhp, Brake Balance 9/10

2:25.6 atm, 25.2 possible..

 

[Doodle]

I might add, I've been eating Double Stuff Oreo cookies and dunking them in my Pepsi (Soda cookies) during this session. Not sure if that has anything to do with it, but worth a try I guess.

Is it like that one time where you ate pancakes for breakfast and you went really quick?

 

[GTP_CargoRatt]

Is it like that one time where you ate pancakes for breakfast and you went really quick?

Yea, something like that. I have all kinds of magic potions.

EDIT: Well, down to 2'26.813 now. That's about it for me tonight, worked myself right into a massive headache. Coulda been all the sugar too I guess. Anyways, good luck to those trying to improve.....and Dalone, you got some work to do now there buddy. Peace.

 

[numbnuts70]

Thanks for posting the tune Cbjasten 👍 And together with doodle (7 thou atm), ****ing outstanding times bruvas

Went from a late 28s to a 2.26.480, my fastest time was set with the high output turbo.

It equated to less power for 450pp but was a lot more responsive than without it.

Was pegging the TTTT'ers for a bit but I'm mostly 3 sheets when I play

 

[Uday9479]

Could only spare about 10 or 15 minutes due to my tight schedule. Used the Honda Civic for a trial run & managed a 1:36.xxx on my first run.

There are so many fun cars to drive. I think the braking will set the difference amongst all of us.

Will try the Suzuki, Integra & Golf cars as don't know which car may suit to my driving style the best.

 

[Uday9479]

What is the highest speed that any one has achieved through 130R & in which car?

 

[shoenboggie]

Improved to 2:26.616 after 30 odd laps and some advice from cb and chasing his ghost too.
Just red lapped a 26.2 after a ambitious entry speed in too 130r that with some practice I can get right.
Here's my setup

Did the same thing with cb's tune and got a 2:27.410 so 1.500 improvement with only 10 odd laps. Starting to like this TT now even though it is FF. Not sure if I will catch you on this TT skyline and my friends list. Really improved my time through the hairpin and a bit better in spoon. 130r is going to take me time.

 

[GTPMcBride]

Thank you Cbastjan, i was never going to bed until i made it into the top ten! XD, ps i noticed earlier that i did 1 lap in practice mode with a friends shared car an it increased power by 1bhp, with no loss in pp.. am sure this little but it all helps i quess.. good luck improving guys (y)

 

[te?]

Made 2'26.329 on my 1st attempt. Having problems with wheelspin on lower gears. Pain in the ass to get them tires sticking on the road! Using DS3 (directional buttons)

 

[skyline1683]

Did the same thing with cb's tune and got a 2:27.410 so 1.500 improvement with only 10 odd laps. Starting to like this TT now even though it is FF. Not sure if I will catch you on this TT skyline and my friends list. Really improved my time through the hairpin and a bit better in spoon. 130r is going to take me time.

Same here I normally stay away from the FF cars but I'm really enjoying the challenge and different technic of tuning and driving hope to drop in to the 25s today first sector I've got sorted I'm within 0.2 of cb it's the hairpin and spoon I'm losing my time now

 

[Gallagher]

Improvement to 2.27.146(0,7sec), only with new gearbox settings, having same problem as te? lots of wheelspin, 2.26.5xx is much possible, think i brake too much though...(ds3,dpad,autogears) currently 181.