Time Trial #76: 550PP RWD Road Cars @ Spa Francorchamps

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Cb
Maybe some people are talking about you running with dirty oil etc..

But the lap is Very good.
Was watching it inside from cockpit view, and I realized something unusual. To me it looks like you are braking and doing some ''jerk'' inputs on your steering wheel on corner entrys. I have never done this on purpose, but looks like it is fast
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Sounds like what you are referring to is whats often called the "Scandinavian Flick" technic. When coming up to a corner, you flick the wheel in the opposite direction and back real quick in order to get a better corner entry. It helps the car to rotate better. Haven't watched the replay myself, but that sounds a bit like what you guys are describing he is doing. I use this technic quite often and really helps in getting the car to rotate on corner entry.
 
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BanditKarter22
Which replay are you talking about?
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I was watching your lap with my ipad on my lap trying to do two things at once.

I sometimes use the flick on some corners but seem to lose a lot of speed.

I need to be more agressive with my cornering speed as you are miles faster on every bend, and I'm braking far too early as well.
 
doodlemonoply
Add TC-doodlemonoply. I'm scared to see what you can do in a seasonal TT James. :scared:
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Thought I would give it a try, being the last one an all, from reading the thread it looks like there still loop holes in the seasonals :rolleyes:
 
GTP_CargoRatt
Sounds like what you are referring to is whats often called the "Scandinavian Flick" technic. When coming up to a corner, you flick the wheel in the opposite direction and back real quick in order to get a better corner entry. It helps the car to rotate better. Haven't watched the replay myself, but that sounds a bit like what you guys are describing he is doing. I use this technic quite often and really helps in getting the car to rotate on corner entry.
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Well, with this car it's not entirely necessary to use the Scandinavian flick. All I do is use trail braking into the corners to slide the back end slightly and then control it with a bit of opposite lock. If you're driving through one of the chicanes or a combination of corners you can use the weight transfer to get the car to turn quicker, same philosophy as the Scandinavian flick 👍
 
Hi Stewyripper, thanks for borrowing your car :) I dont Seem to have one of These Cars :indiff: But Never mind.

Its a very Hard Car to Drive, but im trying my best:lol:
At Last with a knife between my Teeth ive Hit the 1:37 and with many mistakes :lol::lol:

Cheers mate :gtpflag::gtpflag::gtpflag:
 
BanditKarter22
Well, with this car it's not entirely necessary to use the Scandinavian flick. All I do is use trail braking into the corners to slide the back end slightly and then control it with a bit of opposite lock. If you're driving through one of the chicanes or a combination of corners you can use the weight transfer to get the car to turn quicker, same philosophy as the Scandinavian flick 👍
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True, I don't see a need to use it with this car a whole lot, but on other cars it can really be beneficial. I mostly use the same trail braking technique as you describe here though for this car. I was just trying to shed some light on what they were seemingly describing you were doing with the wheel jerking movements.
 
GTP_CargoRatt
True, I don't see a need to use it with this car a whole lot, but on other cars it can really be beneficial. I mostly use the same trail braking technique as you describe here though for this car. I was just trying to shed some light on what they were seemingly describing you were doing with the wheel jerking movements.
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Yeah, it's unfortunately hard to see the wheel in this standard car, but I wasn't making any big movements in the steering, just lots of small corrections 👍
 
Turok134
now at 2:34.3 and it's by far the most different TT I run. This track it's so crazy I can understand now why so many pilots say this is madness :) and all those downhill corner exits make this a bone crushing trap for motorcycles :)

Corners 2, 3 and 4 are were I think we all need some good advice, so if the guys in the top places could do here a short explanation of what the technique should be that would be great :))
And why not a longer 5th so we can have more stability from higher RPM in 3rd corner (the very fast uphill right hand corner that runs in the left hand blind corner 4)?
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The hairpin is the real key.
  • A clean planted exit is a must, anything less and you will be seconds behind at the chicane on top of the hill.
  • Next is air kissing the end of the left wall at the end of the straight. (Not touching though.)
  • Touch the brake & right jog of the wheel/stick gets the LSD to guide the car right with a bit of drift.
  • Then a bit of left with full or near full throttle to hold the rumble strip up the hill staying just clear of going wide of the rumble strip on the right. (A slight drift till full traction is gained usually once you now disaster has been averted.)
With perfect timing and just the right brake & steerage input you can hold full throttle once the car starts going left. The red rev light was blinking at the chicane brake point with praiano63's updated tune for me.

I had a lot of crashes right there getting it down as good as I have thus far. @2:40.9xx I m far from fast but nailing that section lead to dropping from 2:43.011 to my best so far @2:40.9xx in one shot.
 
SCClockDr
The hairpin is the real key.
  • A clean planted exit is a must, anything less and you will be seconds behind at the chicane on top of the hill.
  • Next is air kissing the end of the left wall at the end of the straight. (Not touching though.)
  • Touch the brake & right jog of the wheel/stick gets the LSD to guide the car right with a bit of drift.
  • Then a bit of left with full or near full throttle to hold the rumble strip up the hill staying just clear of going wide of the rumble strip on the right. (A slight drift till full traction is gained usually once you now disaster has been averted.)
With perfect timing and just the right brake & steerage input you can hold full throttle once the car starts going left. The red rev light was blinking at the chicane brake point with praiano63's updated tune for me.

I had a lot of crashes right there getting it down as good as I have thus far. @2:40.9xx I m far from fast but nailing that section lead to dropping from 2:43.011 to my best so far @2:40.9xx in one shot.
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The fast left right you're talking about is Eau Rouge, and it's possible to go through there without braking, just with a small lift. If you brake you'll unsettle the car too much and increase your chances of spinning.
 
BanditKarter22
The fast left right you're talking about is Eau Rouge, and it's possible to go through there without braking, just with a small lift. If you brake you'll unsettle the car too much and increase your chances of spinning.
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This is true. I let off right after the first apex for a split second then back on full throttle the rest of the way up and through. Sometimes the car will get a little light feeling near the top, but if you can hold it and let it drift and use most of the rumbles at the top right, you can come away with some really killer sector times there. I've been up on my ghost by as much as .700 through there, but manage to lose most, if not all, of that advantage by the time I come back around. Really having most of my problems with the two right hand corners after the esses, towards the middle part of the track.

Edit: Looked them up and the area that I am having problems with is Stavelot and Courbe Paul Frere.
 
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BanditKarter22
The fast left right you're talking about is Eau Rouge, and it's possible to go through there without braking, just with a small lift. If you brake you'll unsettle the car too much and increase your chances of spinning.
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I am using a DS3 stick so I could be just lifting, too much going on right there to give it full attention. Whatever it is it ain't very much, 'cause too much off the throttle/brake and the wall is the next big event for me usually.
 
SCClockDr
I am using a DS3 stick so I could be just lifting, too much going on right there to give it full attention. Whatever it is it ain't very much, 'cause too much off the throttle/brake and the wall is the next big event for me usually.
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What setup are you using?
 
skyline1683
Improved my time by 0.2 for a respectable 2:33.494 after 11 consecutive high 33s but threw a lot of time away with huge slide at crest of eu rouge and staying in 2nd for exit of bus stop cost me a bit too .
Have to also mention how close the battle is on my friends list not only are 11 of them in top 250 5 of us are withing 0.2 of each other over a 2:30 lap that is extremely close
Down to 2:33.434 now edging closer to shoenboggie
Scratch that had did a 2:33.307 with a okay 1st sector a decent 2nd but my last sector absolutely nailed it with best I've taken the bus stop chicane
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Great time Skyline edged me out at 2:33.352, keep getting 2:33.4xx times today. Losing time on my exit out of the bus stop.

What gear are you using at the exit of the bus stop/the last chicane?
 
RavingBonkers
I was watching your lap with my ipad on my lap trying to do two things at once.

I sometimes use the flick on some corners but seem to lose a lot of speed.

I need to be more agressive with my cornering speed as you are miles faster on every bend, and I'm braking far too early as well.
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Hi raving,

Was wondering how do you managed to see bandit's lap in your iPad!?!
 
shoenboggie
Great time Skyline edged me out at 2:33.352, keep getting 2:33.4xx times today. Losing time on my exit out of the bus stop.

What gear are you using at the exit of the bus stop/the last chicane?
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I use 2nd gear on the exit of the bus stop, you have to be careful not to spin the wheels up straight away, but once the car sticks plant the throttle! :)
 

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Just had 3 laps with Ford GT premium :) The car is very stable on corner exit, it's a shame it has so much torque, with good amount of downforce and less torque, it would have been a real monster.
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Try my GT I have it on share its for wheel but maybe you like the setup. I borrowed Ford GT no stripe '5 and I think Ford GT '6 is pretty much the same I tried two different setups and now almost at 1:39 with both the Fords, love it how they feel very stable indeed. Tried you Honda though 1:36:975 but on wheel so that easy to do, still Honda is tricky. There is much left there but; that I will do tomorrow If have time other wise in weekend :) Thanks a lot for share. Good luck everyone with improving your times Spa is really awesome track :D
 
Had a few sessions today and managed to take 0.3 off my previous best and after watch bandits lap (absolute brilliant driving in my opinion) I can see that I can be much more aggressive in some corners and attack them more than I presently am thou I am struggling with entry and exit from 1st corner I can seem to get the car to rotate quickly enough to get the power down and it's costing me a lot by time I get through eu rouge and down the straight
 
shoenboggie
Great time Skyline edged me out at 2:33.352, keep getting 2:33.4xx times today. Losing time on my exit out of the bus stop.

What gear are you using at the exit of the bus stop/the last chicane?
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I'm taking the entrance to bus stop in 2nd then shifting to 1st to help rotate for the exit then short shifting at full throttle to kill wheel spin for the finish line it's giving me consistant 33.3s -33.4s
 
Darn it, just red lapped a 2:30.4! And it would've been a bit faster as well but I really messed up the middle sector!
 
BanditKarter22
Using that setup might give you quite a lot of understeer, try using the setup I posted earlier in this thread. You can make a few adjustments to it to make it easier to control.
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This tune don't show any understeer. It's just a safe neutral tune to use as a base for a normal driver.
 
SCClockDr
The hairpin is the real key.
  • A clean planted exit is a must, anything less and you will be seconds behind at the chicane on top of the hill.
  • Next is air kissing the end of the left wall at the end of the straight. (Not touching though.)
  • Touch the brake & right jog of the wheel/stick gets the LSD to guide the car right with a bit of drift.
  • Then a bit of left with full or near full throttle to hold the rumble strip up the hill staying just clear of going wide of the rumble strip on the right. (A slight drift till full traction is gained usually once you now disaster has been averted.)
With perfect timing and just the right brake & steerage input you can hold full throttle once the car starts going left. The red rev light was blinking at the chicane brake point with praiano63's updated tune for me.

I had a lot of crashes right there getting it down as good as I have thus far. @2:40.9xx I m far from fast but nailing that section lead to dropping from 2:43.011 to my best so far @2:40.9xx in one shot.
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If I mess up Eau Rouge, I noticed that one can make up time late braking on corners after that fast straight, creating sort of a buffer for losing time in Eau Rouge. BTW Best is to get a wheel; ds3 Im not that handy with it, huge respect for people racing with that in top charts. Try this; have a good exit on the corner, that corner to the right first after start finish line and before the long straight going down before the Eau Rouge, you can make close to a second exiting perfectly there, than you can afford to lose it on Eau Rouge and the long straight after it. So after your exit has gone well and you going down, when you approach the corner to the left try to be in 6th gear and lift accelerator a bit even slight break, or lift earlier than the red line indicates, than try to aim to go over the curbstone on the left, touching the grass with your left wheels, steer imitatively to the right aim on the curbstone on the right close to the top of Eau Rouge, and wait with accelerating till you almost touch the curbstone on the right and than aim to left curbstone, This is not fast way but its safe way. You will lose time there and on the straight after the corner but you made up a second cumming perfectly from first corner after start finish. This worked for me, before I nailed the Eau Rough without breaking. For me it cost me a second, later you can practice to go faster on exit of Eau Rouge.
 
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