Time Trial Discussion
- Thread starter seadog777
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- Germany
- DIVA-888
Talking about T1 …set assist TCS1 / ASM-On / Counter steering strong 💪Couldn't get less than 2:01.xxx when this started, went away for a few days, came back and at last got under 2 minutes (1:59.3xx) today, so that should stay bronze, I hope. That turn 1 is just nuts in this car - only way I can get around without spinning off is brake really early, and very gently - and watch the seconds go whizzing by!
With controller it was a relief for me helped me a lot should be working with wheel also if it possibility to set.
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- 65
- England
Yeh, I finally succumbed to this,it does help specially on T1.
- 5,565
- United States
- rising_glass1
Hey, I did four more laps which I recorded and uploaded on YT, and got silver. 1'54.977, I believe. I highlighted/showed the lap times at the end of the video. The end part where the s-curves are always slows me down some, because I don't want to go off the track limit,(grass areas).I did my 1:51:230 on strongon controller
I can hear the sound better on this one so let me know how it is here, thanks. Any feedback would help too to help me improve/enhance my times.
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- 4,553
- Indiana
- DolphDrago
Knocked off a tenth tonight for a 1:51.063. Optimal lap was about the same as last night, give or take a few thousandths. Sub 1:51 is so tantalizingly close.
- 751
- Finland
Feels like this is one of the easiest time trials they've had so far in GT7. Like I put like 15-20 min of practice and managed a 1.52.4 without tcs or asm. I feel like a sub 1.52 is doable, if I practice really hard. Fairly simple track layout that is somewhat long, plays a part for how easy getting a gold feels like, I think. But yeah T1 and bus stop chicane are like really deadly in this car, probably partly due to the 42:58 weight distribution. I might try using stability management for this reason 🤔 But also the hairpins feel really fun to just throw around the car in.
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- 1,075
- Italy
Remenber my question from couple of days ago?
Same of you replyed that the 2 sign is a safe mark, and I went back saying that for my skills the 2 sign is not effortable.
This question/answer was torching me.... why cannot I brake like others?!? We are speking here about straight brake, same turn, same machine...
Here is the answer (me - top half, Mistah - bottom half):
from my cockpit view I was thinking to brake well before the 2 sign. Looking from the same angle I understand I was braking well after Mistah (don't look at the speed. Me is me, and Mistah is, well... you know....🥇)
Overall I'm gaining 1-2/10s from the brake mark to the right curb (the rightmost frame), but from that point on Mistah start accelerating from 138Kmh, where I'm a sitting duck at 120Kmh
I guess the same issue applies to the exit of the inner track where I probably brake well after him, still thinking to brake before him.
This is a great lesson learned for me.
I like to share because I think it may be usefull for some of you too
- 2,575
- The Netherlands
- Espanjolicos
Thanks for the video, i try to comment on it, maby other people have other opinions, but this did the job for me
You are overshooting your corners in general i think so you slide alot, i would start braking in a straight line as much as possible, then your laps will be less "nervous" and faster times will come.
For corner 1 you have a good line at the start, but try to stay on the inside left, break in a straight line to the right, hit the apex, let the car coast en exit in third. so your line is good but you are missing the apex.
Corner 3 your overshooting, try to get slower in and steady out, and use all of the track there, you can go super wide ( altho i don't know if they changed that with update 1.29)
Corner 4, this one can be alot faster, just a quick lift is enough to get the car rotated, left wheels on the curb and full send!
Corner 5, try to stick to one brakepoint, and learn that one to be consistent, just one brake action to second gear and as soon as the car has rotated up to third and power out.
You will have to change your brakepoint for this because you will be alot faster out of corner 4
Corner 6, same here, fixed brakepoint, rotate with second gear and as soon as you hit the apex, up to third gear and power out.
( easy ont the throttle )
The busstop, your line there isn't that bad, but i would try to minimize the slide on entry and be in 4th, minimize steering input and power out in 4th.
Last but not least, personally i would try to race with Countersteering on and TCS off and try to get the feeling for power delivery, but, you can be fast with TCS also on this TT, but i find it easier without.
Good luck! we will see your updated faster video
- 65
- England
Yeh turn 4 just a little lift, don't change down a gear.Thanks for the video, i try to comment on it, maby other people have other opinions, but this did the job for me
You are overshooting your corners in general i think so you slide alot, i would start braking in a straight line as much as possible, then your laps will be less "nervous" and faster times will come.
For corner 1 you have a good line at the start, but try to stay on the inside left, break in a straight line to the right, hit the apex, let the car coast en exit in third. so your line is good but you are missing the apex.
Corner 3 your overshooting, try to get slower in and steady out, and use all of the track there, you can go super wide ( altho i don't know if they changed that with update 1.29)
Corner 4, this one can be alot faster, just a quick lift is enough to get the car rotated, left wheels on the curb and full send!
Corner 5, try to stick to one brakepoint, and learn that one to be consistent, just one brake action to second gear and as soon as the car has rotated up to third and power out.
You will have to change your brakepoint for this because you will be alot faster out of corner 4
Corner 6, same here, fixed brakepoint, rotate with second gear and as soon as you hit the apex, up to third gear and power out.
( easy ont the throttle )
The busstop, your line there isn't that bad, but i would try to minimize the slide on entry and be in 4th, minimize steering input and power out in 4th.
Last but not least, personally i would try to race with Countersteering on and TCS off and try to get the feeling for power delivery, but, you can be fast with TCS also on this TT, but i find it easier without.
Good luck! we will see your updated faster video
I'm struggling at the bus stop, turn 1 seems more stable if I pump the brakes. But I'm only on 1.54.306 so...back to it ha.
- 5,045
- Connecticut
- Ridley-X4
When I checked how my previous best time was doing, I saw that I was off by 2.99%, so I did some more laps and shed about two tenths. Now my time is 1:52.774, making me off the top time by 2.80%, which I think/hope should be good enough for the rest of the period.
- 1,243
- Sweden, Gothenburg
- Highlanderlast
I was so annoyed with poor grip that I just got gold and left this TT in hope that new one comes soon. For some reasons I thought it should be done without assists. After few days break I decided to give it new try today, now with CS turned on. What a difference. There is potential now to actually get some ok position again.
- 65
- England
Am going to try CS again,I turned it off as I couldn't improve, my best is now 1:53;8xx no assists,will try again tomorrow.
- 751
- Finland
I am pretty sure my 1.52.4 time would be enough for gold, but I knew there were still a few tenths to gain. Got my time down to a 1.52.254, key was understanding that they've made the bus stop chicane track limits slightly more lenient again. Might give it one more go, to see how close I can get to breaking 1.52 🤔
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- 581
- Wales, UK
- Danger_Dan986
Another little sesh today and knocked a bit off, might get a bit more time to grind this one of the next few days and get into the 1:50.xxx’s. Looking good for that, still not comfortable taking CS strong off; it just makes that first corner so consistent it’s hard not to!
- 4,553
- Indiana
- DolphDrago
Just...wow. This was beyond my expectations. A good exit of the bus stop is so important. Now that I broke the 1:50's, my next goal would be to get within that elusive 1%. Of course that will be difficult simply for the fact that the top time will likely drop at least a couple more times before the TT is over.
Anyway, I'm super happy right now. My previous best was 555th in the Corvette at the Glen. Must be something about these American courses. Well, in a sensible car at least. I don't want to talk about Road Atlanta.
BTW, not that anyone cares, but I'm on a Dual Shock and no aids other than ABS. I wish I had a wheel (and legs that worked normally) to get the full immersion.
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- United States
- rising_glass1
Thanks for the video, i try to comment on it, maby other people have other opinions, but this did the job for me
You are overshooting your corners in general i think so you slide alot, i would start braking in a straight line as much as possible, then your laps will be less "nervous" and faster times will come.
For corner 1 you have a good line at the start, but try to stay on the inside left, break in a straight line to the right, hit the apex, let the car coast en exit in third. so your line is good but you are missing the apex.
Corner 3 your overshooting, try to get slower in and steady out, and use all of the track there, you can go super wide ( altho i don't know if they changed that with update 1.29)
Corner 4, this one can be alot faster, just a quick lift is enough to get the car rotated, left wheels on the curb and full send!
Corner 5, try to stick to one brakepoint, and learn that one to be consistent, just one brake action to second gear and as soon as the car has rotated up to third and power out.
You will have to change your brakepoint for this because you will be alot faster out of corner 4
Corner 6, same here, fixed brakepoint, rotate with second gear and as soon as you hit the apex, up to third gear and power out.
( easy ont the throttle )
The busstop, your line there isn't that bad, but i would try to minimize the slide on entry and be in 4th, minimize steering input and power out in 4th.
Last but not least, personally i would try to race with Countersteering on and TCS off and try to get the feeling for power delivery, but, you can be fast with TCS also on this TT, but i find it easier without.
Good luck! we will see your updated faster video
Ok, thanks for the feedback. Yes, I feel that the car does slide a lot which causes me to lose half a second each time, I'll work on some more of this over the weekend and upload more runs later.
- 1,149
- Mumbai
- UnlikeUday
Bettered my time from 52.3 to 52.2 after doing about 30 laps. Getting each mini sector at your best in 1 single lap is the actual test.....LOL
BTW, I learned yesterday for this test having M/T is more beneficial than running in A/T. IMO, the 2nd gear is a forbidden fruit which the system wants the car to always go in when driving in A/T.
BTW, I learned yesterday for this test having M/T is more beneficial than running in A/T. IMO, the 2nd gear is a forbidden fruit which the system wants the car to always go in when driving in A/T.
- 860
- Longueuil
Went from a 51.8 on my monitor to a 51.3 in VR in 30 minutes. I never expected to be faster from the get go. It’s way easier to nail T1 and the bus stop chicane in VR. I’m sure I could get in the 50s. I’m worried the aliens might also be much faster in VR and make golds harder to get 🤣
- 2,340
- United Kingdom
- half_sourly
I put my holiday pint down to bring you the Mid-TT statistics. Definitely one of the easiest TTs to date.
- 751
- Finland
- 581
- Wales, UK
- Danger_Dan986
For sure I feel like it is slowing me down, but to get that consistency into T1 is crucial for me personally to get the rest of the lap cleaner in terms of braking points and lines. If I have a 50% chance of spinning into the shadow realm at the start of each lap I just get stuck trying to nail that and then the rest of the lap gets forgotten about
My plan is to do the same as Nurburgring GP/GT4 and get a really quick lap with CS strong (it was TC1 at Nurb teehee) and then once I'm comfortably consistent elsewhere I'll take a brave pill and go without. I can feel it sapping time and making me a bit sloppy elsewhere so it's a good to have it in the back pocket for a way of gaining time in future
- 5,045
- Connecticut
- Ridley-X4
My best time remains in gold range, but now I think it's 2.87% from the top, rather than the 2.80% it was the other day when I first got it. I tried doing more laps, and I even got a crazy OPT of 1:52.1xx, but I couldn't string it all together. I'll just keep checking in daily to see how my time's doing, and if it gets to 2.99% again, then I'll do more laps.
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- 832
- United States
I'm having an extremely hard time breaking into silver on this TT. 156.653 is the best I've been able to manage, and I know where I'm losing 2-4 seconds: Turn 1. This really should have been a tuning-allowed TT in this car/course combo, but whatever... My "strategy" for this corner is to just lock-up the brakes/e-brake and hope for the best, lol. I'm at least 80-100 laps in, so I think it's time for a different approach, lol.
Any suggestions on brake-points, more specifically, where on the track (closer to the wall or closer to curve) the optimum place to brake is? I've tried using TC and ASM as stated by others and I can't get under 1:57 using them. Seems like I get through turn 1 a little better, but the assists start to shed time everywhere else for me. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated as I'm kind of at an impasse.
Any suggestions on brake-points, more specifically, where on the track (closer to the wall or closer to curve) the optimum place to brake is? I've tried using TC and ASM as stated by others and I can't get under 1:57 using them. Seems like I get through turn 1 a little better, but the assists start to shed time everywhere else for me. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated as I'm kind of at an impasse.
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- 1,149
- Mumbai
- UnlikeUday
Are you driving with A/T or M/t? Try M/T as engine braking helps a great deal.
In assists, switch on markers. I start braking just before the marker that appears after the start/finish line. Brake & leave a little & again brake to make the car stable. Even if you were to nudge or hit the wall, you won't get a penalty. Try both the lines & see where you can make the car more stable.
TC1 is more than enough. ASM is good 7 keep the countersteering assistst to weak or strong. I'd suggest keep at strong initially till you're able to lower your time.
Don't get frustrated. Once you spend a good amount of laps, it's easier to understand the car under braking & its handling.
- 581
- Wales, UK
- Danger_Dan986
First definitely use Countersteering strong, that will help! Secondly, try building up speed on entry; if I’ve said it before I’ll say it again, I don’t think you need top speed over the start line to set a competitive time, I’ve been in the mid 1:51’s even with a 1 second penalty on the lap before; the breaking point for turn 1 is so soon after the line it makes little difference and just makes the car more unstable under braking (for us mortals)
Try at 150mph and braking on the left hand side of the track, get the car straight and brake in a straight line and then when the car is well under 100mph/160ph gently turn it in/let off brakes. It might not be mega quick but a good one will only lose you maybe .300s off the record and it’ll be much more repeatable.
Decent session for me tonight consistentish laps and a new record, I was on for a 1:50.xxx but got a little wayward in the bus stop! Dang! But definitely doable. CS strong is staying.. looking at the record lap replays a lot of the top times are set without but they are doing some really funky **** with downshifts that a real car wouldn’t do so I would consider that an ‘assist’, my lap is much smoother with sensible downshifts so I like the compromise
We keep going for 1:50!!! @Gomario JSP how are you getting on?
- 160
- Germany
- DIVA-888
Usually I would say practice makes perfect but I think that is not the case here .
With an 1.57 there is much room for improvement so it can not be only T1 after so many rounds.
There is an nice guide I guess it was page 135 posted by @snc it shows braking points and other useful tips I recommend to check this out.
- 832
- United States
Oh, should have mentioned it, but I'm using manual. Usually run weak abs or default depending on the car, but I've tried all three settings for this TT.
I'd been using the brake zone/red bar things on the tarmac for this event which didn't tend to be very helpful, especially for turn 1. Never thought to turn on the markers so I'll be giving that a go.
So keep running the assists until I get used to them, essentially? I just assumed it was the assists, period, that was slowing me down throughout the rest of the course, but since I very rarely use TC (rain only), only used ASM once and it was during the Escudo/Willow TT, and I've never even tried steering assist, I'm very unfamiliar with how cars behave when they are engaged. I suppose it would make sense that there's a learning-curve when getting used to how the car behaves with these assists, and that one will personally adjust (and become quicker) over time... I guess it's just that old stigma from past titles that assists = slower times that keeps me from experimenting with them, so I need to get over that.
Thank you very much for the advice and encouragement! I'll be utilizing them when I can get back into the game this evening and will report my progress.
Yeah, I don't feel like I'm hitting my skill-ceiling, I think I'm just frustrated and demoralized at this point...
I'll check out that guide you mentioned; probably should have scrolled back and read through from the start of this TT in the first place. Thank you
I had noticed my speed was often way too low and was already in 1st/2nd 10-15 meters before the sharper left (not sure if you'd call it the apex, just that barrier that marks the transition from entering and exiting the turn) by the time I felt under control. I'll keep all of this in mind, while trying to get out of my mind (been a rough couple of weeks and it seems to be bleeding into everything in my life, so self-sabotage might be a factor here...)
Again, thank you all for the advice. I feel better about jumping back into it with a positive outlook rather than beating my head against a wall.
- 1,075
- Italy
If you look for youtube guides just ensure you use the same view or look at the braking point with their view and traslate it to your view. The perspective may be deceiving and here braking late kills your time. I went from 54.0x to 53.6x just realizing it
