Tourist Trophy: The Real Riding Simulator, General info and discussion

[KurtisGSXR]

I'm not entirely sure what you mean by keeping your balance, could you elaborate?

On my way to work or the shops I ride lazy, I admit it, I stay with my bum on the seat and just move the bars.

However when I do track days or if I'm giving it a bit of stick on the road, I'll move around on the bike and hang off. But on every single corner entry, after shifting a cheek off I actively push the bars, as moving my weight about doesn't make it turn quick enough alone.

The track nearest me is Mallory park in the UK, the first corner is a 200 degree right hander called Gerrards, and I've done four days there. A moderately fast rider will turn into the corner at around 110mph, scrub it down to 90-100 on the apex, then on the exit up to 120-ish. On the way in I have to push the bars hard, and I brace myself against the left (outside) peg.

I've heard of Keith Code, but never read anything of his. All this I've learnt myself as part of my job.

If you're disputing the effect that countersteer has on the bike, there are multiple good sources showing the dynamics of gyroscopic precession, some on the web, but I would recommend a book called Motorcycle Design by a presumably italian guy called Getano Cocco, or something.


What are you're thoughts?


Kurtis.

 

[Jackie Treehorn]

I think countersteer happens, but consciously initiating it is unnecessary. I brought up Keith Code because he's pretty infamous about making a big deal out of it (note he says nothing about riding no-hands).

Anyway, there's no universal embrace of countersteering as an essential motorcycle skill. See Kevin Schwantz' riding school and Freddie Spencer's. It's mentioned, but not a lot of importance is placed on it.

 

[KurtisGSXR]

I see what you mean Jackie, I do agree. I ride no hands sometimes, usually if my glove starts coming loose or something and you can steer easily by just moving about.

Also, as far as I remember counterseering isn't taught in bike schools, but it was a while ago... Maybe they do now.

The reason I use heavy countersteer when riding fast on corner entry is due to how I can't get it to turn fast enough if I don't.

The reason I use it when slow riding is due to being lazy, and I don't have to shift about on the bike if I actively steer.

Do you race or do track days, if so, do you purely use the pegs, or bodyweight?


Kurtis.

 

[Jackie Treehorn]

Do you race or do track days, if so, do you purely use the pegs, or bodyweight?

A few wrecked and stolen bikes and a couple of kids I love later, I've taken a little hiatus from riding motorcycles. I know wrecking bikes on the street isn't an endorsement for being a riding authority, but I just turned without any mental gymnastics. If thinking about countersteering helps people in real life, that's fine, but I don't think PD should spend a second worrying about modelling it in TT.

 

[KurtisGSXR]

Yeah I've heard kids have that effect...

I hope you manage to get back into it though.

And yes, left for left and right for right will work fine for me.

I guess thinking about it or not depends on what you want out of your riding.


Kurtis.

 

[[empty space]]

i just saw the flash movie on the us site ... is that really a harley dirt flat tracker?



if this has been brought up already, please link me?

 

[KurtisGSXR]

Hmmm.

Not sure, but looking at the engine and swingarm it looks more like it could be a race prepped ZRX1200R or XJR1300. The engine looks like an inline 4, as it would be missing a rear cylinder if it was a Vtwin, and that swingarm looks braced.

Best guess... the Kawasaki.


Kurtis.

 

[[empty space]]

i was thinking it was a parell(sp) twin instead of a vtwin? but, ive not seen a flat track race in a while.

 

[Sambert]

It’s the Kwak Zyphyr 1100 Race Mod.

 

[zonekill]

*Update first post* release date Japan

 

[Sambert]

*Update first post* release date Japan

It seems that Play Asia was reasonably well informed. Let’s hope that the Feb date holds.

 

[drew259]

HOLY CRAP this game looks awsome anybody think they will have supermoto? I hope they make a motocross game like this!

Ive been looking at the JP site and ive found a supermoto bike its the DRZ400 and ithink ive found a XR250 but it dont have a picture

 

[Nasadus]

Hmm, if you pay attention to the drivers, you will notice that they are horribly modeled. The only thing that is high-poly is the helmet and the bike. Guess the PS2 can't do much better. Still impressive though.

I just can't stop wondering if this project would have been better suited as a PS3 launch title instead of releasing it on a console that is slowly loosing public interest.

 

[livemusic]

It seems that Play Asia was reasonably well informed. Let’s hope that the Feb date holds.

Knowing the makers I wouldn't count on that.

 

[Jackie Treehorn]

Hmm, if you pay attention to the drivers, you will notice that they are horribly modeled. The only thing that is high-poly is the helmet and the bike. Guess the PS2 can't do much better. Still impressive though.

I just can't stop wondering if this project would have been better suited as a PS3 launch title instead of releasing it on a console that is slowly loosing public interest.

That reminds me of this cartoon:

I wouldn't be surprised if the game got released after the PS3 came out, and it was still a PS2 game. Given the ridiculous delays with GT4, it's best not to assume that logical deadlines--like Christmas or the launch of a new console--will make a difference to when PD releases a game.

 

[zonekill]

Hmm, if you pay attention to the drivers, you will notice that they are horribly modeled. The only thing that is high-poly is the helmet and the bike. Guess the PS2 can't do much better. Still impressive though.

I just can't stop wondering if this project would have been better suited as a PS3 launch title instead of releasing it on a console that is slowly loosing public interest.

Noooo, I am happy that Sony is still supporting the PS2! 👍
It are the games that make the console. And yes, sure on a PS3 it can be a better game. Games as Shadow of the Collossus, and Resident Evil 4 show that the PS2 can hold up, also in 2006, with other games such as Black.

TT shows some great animations and graphics I hope the gameplay will be just as good.

 

[Raghavan]

I Need To Get This Game!!!

 

[Sting]

WOW! can't believe I havent heard about this game until now.... a bike version of gran turismo.... definitly gonna buy this once the pal version is released, months after Japanese and US get it. lol

 

[R5Turbo2]

If you're disputing the effect that countersteer has on the bike, there are multiple good sources showing the dynamics of gyroscopic precession, some on the web, but I would recommend a book called Motorcycle Design by a presumably italian guy called Getano Cocco, or something.

Motorcycle Design and Technology
Gaetano Cocco
Giorgo Nada editore
ISBN 88-7911-189-2

PhM

 

[spooony]

Tourist Trophy 128MB USB Stick. Looks like it has to be ordered online (Japan only) for 3990 yen.

http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/game/docs/20060113/ttm.htm
http://www.ioplaza.jp/shop/goods/goods.aspx?goods=10-UTT128M-001

 

[mwoodski]

I Plan on getting it, imagine El Capitan with bikes!

 

[Nitrous oxide]

I'm can not wait for this one, I only hope they get the handeling of the bikes more or less correct. The best bike game so far for the PS2 is Moto GP4 or TT Superbikes.... but it looks as if Tourist Trophy is gunna smoke the lot of em!

 

[Cosmic]

Does TT have racing modifications?

 

[Nitrous oxide]

I dont know if this link has been posted already but a few new video's I hadn't seen can be seen here... http://media.ps2.ign.com/media/771/771980/vids_2.html

on board! looks good to me

 

[zonekill]

Does TT have racing modifications?

What do you mean with racing modifications?

 

[Nitrous oxide]

At a guess he means parts... upgradeds to engine like in GT4
I can say it does according to articles I've seen on the game

 

[Cosmic]

What do you mean with racing modifications?

Like GT2 wise.

 

[zonekill]

Like GT2 wise.

From what I have read, No.

There are however pre made Racing Modified bikes.

 

[Mr Deap]

I can't wait to see that game coming out. i'll plug my wheel & drive the bike in 900 degree.

 

[Cosmic]

From what I have read, No.

There are however pre made Racing Modified bikes.

I've seen other pre made racing modified bikes in screenshots, that's why I was curious.