Trayvon Martin and George Zimmerman

[Maccer_42]

I havn't kept up with all this thread or the court case but can anyone summarize what George Zimmerman was charged with? Or is the case still going?

Also another point I havnt seen brought up yet, maybe it has but I havn't seen it.

The reason for George Zimmerman following and being suspect of Martins actions was due to there being house break-ins in the nieghborhood right? Does anyone know if these break-ins in the nieghborhood continued to happen since the murder of Trevon Martin?

 

[a6m5]

You're finally seeing that, huh? Good. I saw it a long time ago, myself. Glad you're coming around.

Oh, an Zimmerman isn't an idiot. He's a hero for saving his own life and for watching over his loved ones.

Last year, we witnessed the media machine attacking Toyota over this "ghost" defect that causes the cars to run out of control. Brian Ross from ABC actually had the car rigged, as if he's making a Hollywood film, just to support this bogus accusation. This year, in the "Real Guns" thread, you know I voiced my shock & concern over the coverage of this supposed defect in Remington 700 rifle bolt-action system. They say that this gun accidentally fires, and it has injured or killed people. This CNBC story actually show footage demonstrating this defect, firing the rifle over & over again without ever touching or pulling the trigger. Then another network actually pointed out that no tester or lawyer has ever never been able to duplicate this on a properly maintained or stock 700 rifle. Not one single time.

Today, this Trayvon Martin case. At this point, I couldn't care less why or how. The much larger issue for me is this uniformed deception by the mass media, to misrepresent the victim/assailant to portray Trayvon as this really young, clean cut boy. Not the troubled young man, who was into thug culture.

This is beyond me. It truly is a cover-up in my book. I understand that there are some slant, bias, or whatever you wanna call it expected with the media. This, as far as I'm concerned, is beyond that.

P.S. I still think Zimmerman should have followed the instruction(or suggestion) to back off. Unless his own property was at risk, I believe he should have let the Police handled it.

 

[Solid Lifters]

Saving his own life?

Why ask that question? Haven't you read the truth, yet? Oh, no you didn't. Because, if you had, YOU WOULDN'T BE ASKING THAT QUESTION!!!

I'm not going to tell what the truth is, so go find it on your own. Be prepared to be disgusted at our liberal-douchebag media for lying to you all this time.

Have you forgotten the cell phone call that Martin made, about how he was scared that the car was following him? If he was the agressor, then why would he go after Zimmerman if he was scared? If I was Martin I'd start running.

Yes, why didn't Martin run!? That's the question you have to think a lot about, and the answer will come to you.

Oh, and Zimmerman NEVER approached Martin. It's the other way around. Oh, and Martin was scared because he's a drug dealer-gang banger who was affraid a rival gang was following him. Probably thinking he was gonna get 'jacked.'

 

[theotherspongey]

Why ask that question? Haven't you read the truth, yet? Oh, no you didn't. Because, if you had, YOU WOULDN'T BE ASKING THAT QUESTION!!!

I'm not going to tell what the truth is, so go find it on your own. Be prepared to be disgusted at our liberal-douchebag media for lying to you all this time.

Yes, why didn't Martin run!? That's the question you have to think a lot about, and the answer will come to you.

Oh, and Zimmerman NEVER approached Martin. It's the other way around. Oh, and Martin was scared because he's a drug dealer-gang banger who was affraid a rival gang was following him. Probably thinking he was gonna get 'jacked.'

Lol. You know all this how?

Martin didn't run because Zimmerman disobeyed what he was told to do and was attacked.

Proof? Witnesses and the phone call.

 

[arora]

Martin didn't run because Zimmerman disobeyed what he was told to do and was attacked.

Huh? Martin didn't run because Zimmerman ignored a telephone oporator? By that logic if Zimmerman didn't pursue, then Martin would have ran?

 

[theotherspongey]

At that point, Martin was talking to the girl on the phone about the car following him. When he was about to do something, perhaps run, Zimmerman got all scared and pursued him and shot him.

 

[arora]

So, if Zimmerman pursued him, then he did run. I'm still not seeing the 'Martin didn't run' part of your stance.

 

[theotherspongey]

"Pursue" does not necessarily mean that two people are in chase. Zimmerman could pursue Martin and Martin may not see him, which is probably what happened.

Martin didn't run. He was walking and was suddenly attacked by Zimmerman.

 

[arora]

I see, so either way Martin was not going to run, he just happened to be attacked, got it.

 

[theotherspongey]

He probably was going to run, actually. We just don't know the details because the witnesses keep changing their stories every day.

 

[arora]

he probably was going to run, actually. We just don't know the details because the witnesses keep changing their stories every day.

martin didn't run because zimmerman disobeyed what he was told to do and was attacked.

Proof? Witnesses and the phone call.

ok

 

[a6m5]

Oh god, my headache just got worse.

 

[Zenith]

At that point, Martin was talking to the girl on the phone about the car following him. When he was about to do something, perhaps run, Zimmerman got all scared and pursued him and shot him.

Martin didn't run. He was walking and was suddenly attacked by Zimmerman.

Do you have proof for any of this?

 

[Conza]

Wow, amazing this thread is still going, are there people here who actually 'support' what Zimmerman did? I thought it was outrageous, such a stupid law 'stand your ground' being applied here, and the evidence, 'want me to follow him' 'no DON'T FOLLOW HIM' (paraphrasing here), so he does, then shoots him?

That guy commited murder, and I am so damn glad that people realised it (and the law enforcers more importantly, finally), and he's going to be put on trial, and likely convicted, just like any other person would've been in that situation in almost any other state of the USA.

Does anyone not like how this has played out? My only 2 cents now is, should've had this outcome sooner.

 

[arora]

There has not been an outcome yet, and why sooner? Has he been murdering others mean time?

 

[Conza]

There has not been an outcome yet, and why sooner? Has he been murdering others mean time?

No there hasn't been an final, final outcome, you might've mis-read me. They should've decided that he was to be treated like a murder prime suspect, sooner, and the outcome at this stage is that he is the prime suspect, so that outcome, that he will be tried for murdering this innocent victim, is the one that I'm talking about - that outcome couldn't have come sooner than the moment they realised what happened.

 

[a6m5]

That guy commited murder

Why don't we just wait? Why are we in such hurry to decide that we know what took place that night?

Spike Lee is the biggest idiot following the shooting so far, but just like him, many seems to have already handed out the guilty verdict to Zimmerman.

This reminds me of witch-hunt. Nobody's seen all the facts, but we are ready to hang somebody.

 

[Zenith]

Wow, amazing this thread is still going, are there people here who actually 'support' what Zimmerman did?

I support news sources using factual information to make claims. Instead they have been trying desperately to spin this into a racist vigilante vs. innocent child case prior to any proof whatsoever. That's my beef with this ordeal. It appears you have fallen victim to it or judged earlye.

I support Zimmerman being declared innocent if there is insufficient proof that he was not acting under the law.

I thought it was outrageous, such a stupid law 'stand your ground' being applied here,

If I'm in the middle of being beat to death, I'm going to try to defend myself. You can do whatever you want if you find the idea of not being legally obligated to run or roll over to be "stupid."

and the evidence, 'want me to follow him' 'no DON'T FOLLOW HIM' (paraphrasing here), so he does, then shoots him?

911 Operators are not law enforcement and have no more authority than my mother in a situation like this. This is not evidence.

That guy commited murder.

Bad assumption. He shot and killed Martin. The "Stand Your Ground" law and others protects him if he was acting in self defense and his life was in danger.

So far the only evidence available is that Zimmerman was beaten up and Martin had wounds on his fists. This suggests that it was, in fact, self defense.

and I am so damn glad that people realised it (and the law enforcers more importantly, finally), and he's going to be put on trial, and likely convicted, just like any other person would've been in that situation in almost any other state of the USA.

This is another bad assumption. You seem to think that the vast majority of people are on your side. Recent polls suggest otherwise.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/lifestyle/general_lifestyle/may_2012/40_now_say_trayvon_martin_shot_in_self_defense_24_say_it_was_murder

Does anyone not like how this has played out? My only 2 cents now is, should've had this outcome sooner.

I don't like how it played out either.

There are hundreds of self-righteous ignoramuses running around telling everybody their opinions on a case that they (and everybody else) know nothing about.

We have news organizations and hair-trigger race "activists" attempting to turn this into Rodney King 2 and spin the public perception of a law into something it is not.

 

[arora]

who cares about law when we have the sensationalizing media feeding our emotions? Luckily the justice system does not work that way, mob does not yet rule. Btw here is something one of the witnesses said today..

"I know after seeing the TV of what's happening, comparing their sizes, I think Zimmerman was definitely on top because of his size,"

Because the tv said of course 👍

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com...120522_1_witnesses-change-shooting-fdle-agent

 

[fld200]

The media had convicted Zimmerman before anything even happened.
Everyone became sheep to the media.
Sharpton and Jackson get involved, becomes race issue, media tries to spin it that way.

We cannot pass ANY judgement unless we were there that night had happened, the evidence right now points to Zimmerman using self defense, which, the evidence actually backs up. I'm saying that he's neither guilty, nor innocent, until the evidence proves 99% of things.

 

[a6m5]

I don't know, I still don't like Zimmerman, because I don't think he did enough to avoid the confrontation. Don't get me wrong, that's just my impression as we still don't know exactly how it went down that night. I just feel that with firearm ownership, also with concealed carry, person with the gun should be more accountable, and try to avoid putting yourself in a spot like Zimmerman did.

Even if this shooting was perfectly legal in a sense the law is written, if Zimmerman took aggressive manner with Trayvon Martin("if"), get into a fist fight, then shot Martin in self-defense, I don't care if the law deem it legal self-defense shooting, I don't think we are safe with someone like that walking around with a gun.

 

[Solid Lifters]

Lol. You know all this how?

Martin didn't run because Zimmerman disobeyed what he was told to do and was attacked.

Proof? Witnesses and the phone call.

Witnesses? Who were they? Do you have a link to the recording on his phone call?

 

[theotherspongey]

Witnesses? Who were they? Do you have a link to the recording on his phone call?

I do but i'm on a mobile. Hold on.

Edit: http://m.globalgrind.com/news/trayv...y-man-was-following-him-minutes-death-details

Not a recording though obviously.

 

[Vince_Fiero]

The media had convicted Zimmerman before anything even happened.
Everyone became sheep to the media.
Sharpton and Jackson get involved, becomes race issue, media tries to spin it that way.

It does seem that this is what the media does, but wait a minute, the American way, I write to make money, I write what makes money, who cares about the truth ... is society not a major contributor to everything that goes wrong ... Honestly it does not seem like I trust any source anymore ...

We cannot pass ANY judgement unless we were there that night had happened, the evidence right now points to Zimmerman using self defense, which, the evidence actually backs up. I'm saying that he's neither guilty, nor innocent, until the evidence proves 99% of things.

What do you mean with 99%:

I actually started the discussion because it seemed everyone tried to lock up Zimmerman, where for me it was clear he tried to protect his neighborhood, it turned ugly, someone died ... he is no threat to society based on that. Now judgement should be based on all the facts and not a one sided witness thing, I would have liked that Zimmerman could still attack Martin for aggression or at least that Martin could show up in this trial, it would make it a lot more equal.

 

[Solid Lifters]

I do but i'm on a mobile. Hold on.

Edit: http://m.globalgrind.com/news/trayv...y-man-was-following-him-minutes-death-details

Not a recording though obviously.

Where's the phone call I asked for? There's nothinng there!

 

[theotherspongey]

Why don't you go ask google while i'm busy?

 

[Solid Lifters]

Why don't you go ask google while i'm busy?

That's my point. There's no phone call recording of gang' banger Martin. You're just another liberal who makes 🤬 up. That wont be allowed during the trial.

Not guilty.

 

[Northstar]

Why don't you go ask google while i'm busy?

Yet, you had time to post that?

 

[AndersonG22]

Zimmerman was the aggressor when he started stalking martin, that alone should be reason enough to convict him.

 

[a6m5]

Zimmerman was the aggressor when he started stalking martin, that alone should be reason enough to convict him.

That makes no sense. If I see a suspicious man in my neighborhood, I follow him to see if he'll break into my car, that alone will be reason enough to convict me?