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Neither. Zimmerman's story is that he was attacked as he was returning to his vehicle. Rachel Jeantel testified that Trayvon was irritated because he was being followed by a creepy 🤬.
Trayvon Martin and George Zimmerman
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Neither. Zimmerman's story is that he was attacked as he was returning to his vehicle. Rachel Jeantel testified that Trayvon was irritated because he was being followed by a creepy 🤬.
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Exactly. I'm sure she wouldn't lie either. I think they could find the call on her phone if she chooses to let them. That could be a crucial piece of evidence. It could even end the case for all we know.
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So are you saying you are thinking that Zimmerman attacked Martin unprovoked, purely because Martin was black and in the wrong neighborhood?
What makes her more believable than Zimmerman or any witnesses his defense team may call? I tend to find most 19-year-olds to not be the most honest of people, including myself at that age. Her language and attitude on the stand won't help her credibility with the jury, two having recently moved from the Midwest and two who are involved in animal rescues.
Phone companies don't record conversations and no phone does it without it being set up in advance. Short of the NSA, no one could get it, and the NSA is denying they do it.
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Listened to most of the testimony today, we're probably gonna see a thread about rioting soon.
Martin was almost home after evading Zimmerman, instead of continuing home he approached Zimmerman. After zimmerman lost sight of Martin he was walking back to his truck when martin appeared and asked why are you following me ?, scuffle ensued and Zimmerman was getting hell beat out of him...Zimmerman's nose was a mess. Race is irrelevant in this case, Zimmerman proved to be no more racist than Martin, describing someone as black is just the same as describing someone who's short, it's vital information to aid the description. It's just a tragic chain of events for everyone, especially Martin.
Martin was almost home after evading Zimmerman, instead of continuing home he approached Zimmerman. After zimmerman lost sight of Martin he was walking back to his truck when martin appeared and asked why are you following me ?, scuffle ensued and Zimmerman was getting hell beat out of him...Zimmerman's nose was a mess. Race is irrelevant in this case, Zimmerman proved to be no more racist than Martin, describing someone as black is just the same as describing someone who's short, it's vital information to aid the description. It's just a tragic chain of events for everyone, especially Martin.
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No, no no. I am saying Zimmerman was attacked because he was a creepy assed 🤬.
Today according to the neighbor witness Zimmerman was the one that was screaming for help - Zimmerman was the guy on the bottom getting pummeled.
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In case anyone is unaware, the 🤬 in Crunch's post is another word for soda biscuit, a derogatory term for white people. Racial motives can work both ways, white on black, black on white etc. And according to the prosecutions star witness, Martin use a racial epithet in referring to Zimmerman. Had the roles been reversed and Zimmerman was on the phone with someone who then testified that he referred to Martin as a n:censored:r, you can bet that the media would be broadcasting that from the mountain tops and he'd be convicted already.
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We all know how destructive these words can be. Look at Paula Deen.
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OK, I was confused as to how you were meaning that.
I hear she likes her crackers thick and buttery.
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Yeah sure pal. He bashes his own head on the sidewalk in order to make it look like he acted in self defense. Yeah ok. Sure, maybe he did profile Trayvon. But when you live in a gated community, aren't shady people walking through the yards with their hoods up the type of people you would profile? Especially when there had been burglaries in the area?
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=196691611
The witnesses are saying George Zimmerman acted in self defense, too. He was not initially charged with a crime because the police thought he acted in self defense also. He is only on trial because they don't want a race riot. But what does it matter? You don't care about the facts. You just think Zim is guilty because Trayvon was black. Tell me who is racist again?
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Saw a bit of CNN (god help me). People are debating over the severity of Zimmerman's injuries. How is this relevant? The entire point of self defense is to prevent bodily harm. The important part is whether or not Zimmerman was justified in believing his life was in danger.
Anyways, it was good to see the made up prostitutes they call reporters and anchors wave their arms some more. Reminds me why I don't watch the MSM.
Anyways, it was good to see the made up prostitutes they call reporters and anchors wave their arms some more. Reminds me why I don't watch the MSM.
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I understand when the prosecutor does that sort of stuff, it's their job to question everything and let the jury decide. The defense will have opportunity to present their side of the case and establish the fact relevant to the decision to use deadly force.
Obviously Zimmerman experienced some trauma, you'd have to be blind not to see that and I don't know about everyone else, but if it's late at night and someone is on top of me banging my head into the concrete, I'm not going to say, "hold on buddy, I have to check my injuries to see if they are severe enough for me to shoot you". Shoot first and ask questions later.
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It's probably the prosecution that's blowing it into a huge ordeal, based on feedback from the public in general. Self-defense cases like this are not rare, but almost never get publicized for the privacy of those involved and for the sake of a fair trial, both of which this case assuredly is not.
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Don't worry, Florida will find a way to bungle this case up.
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The 911 call I heard sounded like Zimmerman screaming for help...or at least more of a grown man than a teen...and the voice sounded more like a white person over black (no discrimination) because there is a bit of an accent between the two.
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Try watching the Hysterical Ladies Network (HLN) for some real comedy.
But Zimmerman is Hispanic, or white-Hispanic if you are a news agency trying to stir up a false racial case and realize that the pictures you were given were of a fairly dark-skinned man after you already stated the narrative of racially motivated murder.
Do you say that having already concluded Zimmerman's guilt or innocence?
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Can't embed Ebaums world vids?
The State calls a witness via skype and shows his number/addy etc and gets mass prank called
http://www.ebaumsworld.com/video/watch/83396572/
The State calls a witness via skype and shows his number/addy etc and gets mass prank called
http://www.ebaumsworld.com/video/watch/83396572/
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MSNBC has such a wonderful way of reporting on this subject. To all of them Zimmerman is guilty and they don't even have an opposing view point 
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What are on earth are you talking about? An accent does not come from the color of your skin, but from the location you have been raised in.
Without any sort of prior knowledge as to what race anyone was, the victim & the suspect could have been Asians for all we know based on just their voices.
Saying something like, "Hispanics sound a lot different from Blacks" is well on the verge of racial profiling. What does a Hispanic or Black sound like for you to automatically tell the difference?
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MSNBC has such a wonderful way of reporting on this subject. To all of them Zimmerman is guilty and they don't even have an opposing view point
They usually don't on anything. Getting slightly off topic, the only close one that should have an opposing viewpoint is Michael Steel, and he proves he is just as liberal as the rest of them when he gets on MSNBC.
Closing statements are happening about now, and I just found out that the defense weren't allowed to use Trayvon's phone messages as evidence, it was dismissed by the judge because a "7 year old" could have sent those messages - despite it also being protected by a password. Why can this happen?
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If you came looking for a fair and logical trial, you're gunna have a bad time.
ETA: Whichever way this case goes, there will probably be some rioting.
Honestly though, the real story with the case was the media's coverage and blatant spin. It's also been interesting to watch the parents, prosecutors, and supporters of Martin attempt to work off of the innocent child vs racist white guy image.
Personally, I don't have much support for Zimmerman. This is not the landmark case of self defense that many think it is. This is a case where both people had the opportunity to back down, but didn't.
I lean a bit to the side that Zimmerman should not be convicted. Most of the arguments I see against him are downright sad. "Maybe he hit his head against the pavement to make it look like he was getting beat up!" Sure, he just lay on his back when the witnesses weren't looking and smacked his head against the ground. Convictions of murder should require much more than the prosecution has been able to come up with.
ETA: Whichever way this case goes, there will probably be some rioting.
Honestly though, the real story with the case was the media's coverage and blatant spin. It's also been interesting to watch the parents, prosecutors, and supporters of Martin attempt to work off of the innocent child vs racist white guy image.
Personally, I don't have much support for Zimmerman. This is not the landmark case of self defense that many think it is. This is a case where both people had the opportunity to back down, but didn't.
I lean a bit to the side that Zimmerman should not be convicted. Most of the arguments I see against him are downright sad. "Maybe he hit his head against the pavement to make it look like he was getting beat up!" Sure, he just lay on his back when the witnesses weren't looking and smacked his head against the ground. Convictions of murder should require much more than the prosecution has been able to come up with.
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I think I was critical of Zimmerman in the beginning, but now that more details of the case has come out, I'm now under the impression that this was a case of two men who handled the situation very poorly.
I wasn't there, so it's easy for me to say this, but I think Martin should have approached Zimmerman with bit more civility. Zimmerman being a fully grown man, I can't help but to think that he could have done more to calm the young man down. It's entirely possible that Martin was one 🤬 off thug, and was going to beat Zimmerman to within an inch of his life no matter what Zimmerman said or did.
Regardless of the outcome of this case, I don't expect a whole lot of justice there. It's either a man who rightfully defended his life being treated like a murderer thanks to racism & media, or an idiot murders a young man, and he's going to get off with a slap on the wrist, if any penalty at all.
Anyway, that's my impression on this case today.
I wasn't there, so it's easy for me to say this, but I think Martin should have approached Zimmerman with bit more civility. Zimmerman being a fully grown man, I can't help but to think that he could have done more to calm the young man down. It's entirely possible that Martin was one 🤬 off thug, and was going to beat Zimmerman to within an inch of his life no matter what Zimmerman said or did.
Regardless of the outcome of this case, I don't expect a whole lot of justice there. It's either a man who rightfully defended his life being treated like a murderer thanks to racism & media, or an idiot murders a young man, and he's going to get off with a slap on the wrist, if any penalty at all.
Anyway, that's my impression on this case today.
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Seems Trayvon Martin's parents have already received a $1Million+ settlement from the subdivision:
http://jezebel.com/5993941/trayvon-...wrongful-death-claim-with-florida-subdivision
http://jezebel.com/5993941/trayvon-...wrongful-death-claim-with-florida-subdivision
