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[kanjifreak]

So you don't make jokes about other cultures?

I could see your point if they never made fun of anyone, but the fact they've made fun of pretty much every country with any automotive relevance totally ruins your argument.

They've even had entire segments devoted to doing just that.

There are countless others, but it's not really necessary to post them.

The fact that they always do it, to everybody doesn't make it right for us Mexicans, is that so hard to understand?

 

[McLaren]

Dude I understand it all, really. What you do not understand is that in my culture, that is not ok. Is that so hard to get? That is why the vast majority of Mexicans aware of that got pissed, not just me.

It's not technically ok in any culture, but it still goes on(in this case) because they're not being serious, hence why it is called comedy. Yes, TG is not technically comedy, but if you had watched previous episodes, it's just an on-going gag they do. They went as far as to piss off rednecks risking their own lives, & then laughed about it. They even make fun Hammond's near-fatal accident.

In reality, I'm sure Hammond & May would apologize if they could. Clarkson probably wouldn't because he just doesn't care.

I'll give you a reverse example, in Mexico we can make fun of black people without making the few black people here offended, all of us just understand it as plain good fun. We even had TV shows about that, characters, a pretty famous comic book, etc. If we showed that to Americans, my God, you will not understand the fun factor there and will just take it as an insult and something inappropriate, and really make a huge deal about it.

You're talking to the country that supports & shows the most offensive, stupidest garbage on TV regardless of all the small groups who hate it.

The only people who will take offense to such things are the people who whine about everything & Al Sharpton, and nobody gives a crap about either.

 

[F1GTR]

It's not technically ok in any culture, but it still goes on(in this case) because they're not being serious, hence why it is called comedy. Yes, TG is not technically comedy, but if you had watched previous episodes, it's just an on-going gag they do. They went as far as to piss off rednecks risking their own lives, & then laughed about it. They even make fun Hammond's near-fatal accident.

Speaking of Hammond's accident, I found this gem of a comment on the Guardian's coverage of this TG vs Mexico debacle:

richard hammond and elba jimenez are in a plane when all the engines fail and they have to bail out.

jimenez, true to stereotype, floats gently to safety using her poncho, but richard hammond plummeted to earth and had to spend weeks in traction because his parachute didn't open in time.

what do you mean, "it's not funny"?

 

[Northstar]

The fact that they always do it, to everybody doesn't make it right for us Mexicans, is that so hard to understand?

Do you actually answer people's questions?

Do you or do you not make fun of other cultures?

To me at least you seem like the "It's funny as long as it's somebody else" type of person.

 

[kanjifreak]

I actually find the Leica user stereotype quite funny actually. In fact I do take the piss out of the doctors (wait, it's dentists) that take amazingly sharp yet poorly composed and bland photography with their ten thousand dollar set-ups. It's part and parcel of being seen as a premium brand. But rest assured, I do know how to take photographs. I shoot with a Leica firstly because I enjoy the pared down simplicity of a rangefinder, and secondly, in camera terms it's actually rather cheap - I can't think of any other brand where a film camera actually appreciates in value over time, so if I decided that the whole rangefinder thing wasn't for me (however it is) I could actually sell my M setup on for a profit. I shoot different formats and brands, I love photography, Leicas are excellent photographic tools, ergo I use them.

As for the English thing, not really. The spread of English across the globe as a language was directly because of the British colonising activities in the 17/18th century. Later generations were taught English as it was an institutional thing. Novels were written by members of those colonies. Those novels spread.The ubiquity of the language today is symptomatic of the wide reach the British Empire had. Plus we had the biggest bands in the world in the 20th century, and I'd argue that penetration into foreign popular culture has a much larger effect on the proliferation of a language than economic clout. Statesmen would have been educated in English anyway.

Cool, I like your pics, I'm sending you a PM about that theme, sorry for the bad words, I was pretty outraged by the TOP GEAR crap, and when I saw your location I got even more. Sorry again.

On the English thing, I still do not coincide with you. All the countries in Latin America were studying French at the beginning of the 20th century. France was the one "en vogue" not the UK. All the educated people were studying French, English was seen as a culturally irrelevant language.

Things changed later on, and when the Beatles and other English bands got famous, nobody learned English man, where did you get that from? All these countries just began recently, like 20 years ago to learn English because of the economical power of the USA, because the better jobs needed English speaking people, etc. That for Latin America (pretty big territory already), go ask the Japanese, Korean, German, French,Italian if they began to learn English because of the British influence, sure it is not the case.

Anyway, please check out my PM.

Speaking of Hammond's accident, I found this gem of a comment on the Guardian's coverage of this TG vs Mexico debacle:

That one is really funny, but it's way different. They are not saying that Mexicans are crap, lazy and can't do anything worthy.

Do you actually answer people's questions?

Do you or do you not make fun of other cultures?

To me at least you seem like the "It's funny as long as it's somebody else" type of person.

We make fun of cultures that make fun of us, like in reciprocity, with Americans, for example. We do not expect people offending Mexicans when we never attack the Brits. If you show respect, you expect respect back.

Did I answer now?

 

[Northstar]

So basically you admit you "sink" to their level?

Also, why are you using "we" so much? I'm guessing you don't really represent the entire Mexican population.

 

[kanjifreak]

It's not technically ok in any culture, but it still goes on(in this case) because they're not being serious, hence why it is called comedy. Yes, TG is not technically comedy, but if you had watched previous episodes, it's just an on-going gag they do. They went as far as to piss off rednecks risking their own lives, & then laughed about it. They even make fun Hammond's near-fatal accident.

In reality, I'm sure Hammond & May would apologize if they could. Clarkson probably wouldn't because he just doesn't care.

You're talking to the country that supports & shows the most offensive, stupidest garbage on TV regardless of all the small groups who hate it.

The only people who will take offense to such things are the people who whine about everything & Al Sharpton, and nobody gives a crap about either.

After this post you seem pretty open minded, but show those materials to the minorities in your country, e.g. the black community, they will not get it as good fun. Trust me. When Mexican TV made it to the USA, we even modified or deleted contents (from comedy shows, yes) to avoid offending people. That is respect man. That is something that many guys just don't value or understand anymore.

So basically you admit you "sink" to their level?

No, I admit that if we both want to play the game, then we play it fairly. Just that. We never start attacking "just for fun" and then hide under "the fun factor".

Yes, I will not use "we" anymore because I'm far from the stereotypical Mexican, any other thing your excellence? LOL

 

[Northstar]

No, I admit that if we both want to play the game, then we play it fairly. Just that. We never start attacking "just for fun" and then hide under "the fun factor".

Thing is, one person doesn't represent an entire population.

Also, where are these "attacks"? You seem to really be mis-interpreting comedy(which is for the most part about making fun of someone or something).

Anyways, I'm going to to bed, chances are this will be my last post in this thread as I will forget about it.

 

[McLaren]

After this post you seem pretty open minded, but show those materials to the minorities in your country, e.g. the black community, they will not get it as good fun. Trust me. When Mexican TV made it to the USA, we even modified or deleted contents to avoid offending people. That is respect man. That is something that many guys just don't value or understand anymore.

I am open minded, yes, probably more than I should be for my own sake. I find & make my own humor regarding things that would probably get me a time out here.

But, you're right, they probably won't. But, from my viewpoint, it's far more than just the content at hand that would cause them to complain, but again, leaving it at that for my own sake.

Regardless of what you show in the US though, it won't matter in the end. People in this country get offended at everything, even the fact that your TV edits out content (yes, people here do get offended over that. Probably the same people who get upset at BBC America for editing TG). But it just doesn't matter because for everything that offends 1 group, another either enjoys it or fights for it to be shown, and so it remains on TV.

The only thing that magically offends anyone & everyone on TV in the US are tits & genitals.

 

[kanjifreak]

I am open minded, yes, probably more than I should be for my own sake. I find & make my own humor regarding things that would probably get me a time out here.

But, you're right, they probably won't. But, from my viewpoint, it's far more than just the content at hand that would cause them to complain, but again, leaving it at that for my own sake.

Regardless of what you show in the US though, it won't matter in the end. People in this country get offended at everything, even the fact that your TV edits out content (yes, people here do get offended over that. Probably the same people who get upset at BBC America for editing TG). But it just doesn't matter because for everything that offends 1 group, another either enjoys it or fights for it to be shown, and so it remains on TV.

The only thing that magically offends anyone & everyone on TV in the US are tits & genitals.

Man, being open minded in Texas is not like the safest thing to do. You should move to California or somewhere safer in that regard.

I really laughed at the tits & genitals thing. It is so true... And tell me about it, I got an explicit/offensive infraction here for showing some artistic and very light nude on this forum via a link...

 

[astrosdude91]

Man, being open minded in Texas is not like the safest thing to do. You should move to California or somewhere safer in that regard.

What are you talking about? In the middle of nowhere small town, sure, maybe a 100% non republican point of view would be frowned upon. But that can be the same in any state, even California. It's a much different situation in the major cities. You've clearly never been to Austin.

 

[kanjifreak]

What are you talking about? In the middle of nowhere small town, sure, maybe a 100% non republican point of view would be frowned upon. But that can be the same in any state, even California. It's a much different situation in the major cities. You've clearly never been to Austin.

Ok, ok, now I don't want all the Texans on this forum against me... LOL

I've been to many places in Texas, and will always prefer California in almost every regard as a tourist, from the big cities like Dallas, Austin, Houston and San Francisco or L.A., to the little towns, like Laredo or Carmel, on each state...

Yes, I just visit like a tourist, so chill, I'm sure Texas has great places to live too... My dad bought a condo in San Antonio many years ago, where we stood at to do some shopping once a year and it was cool...

I have great childhood memories by going to the Galleria Mall in Houston and do some ice skating... I also got a ball at the Astrodome, and liked Water World... Ok now?

Oh, and every time someone says that Mexico is donkeys and guys with a huge hat I can apply your argument as is... "It's a much different situation in the minor AND major cities. You've clearly never been to Mexico City, just to mention one..."

 

[McLaren]

Man, being open minded in Texas is not like the safest thing to do. You should move to California or somewhere safer in that regard.

California would try to regulate what I can & can't think & then tax me for it.

I'm fine in the land of Texas.

 

[TB]

I got an explicit/offensive infraction here for showing some artistic and very light nude on this forum via a link...

1 - Warning, not infraction
2 - Full frontal isn't "very light nude" however artistic its intentions

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Now that everyone is settled down, lets get back to discussing Top Gear and not how awesome Texas is, cameras, etc.

 

[kanjifreak]

California would try to regulate what I can & can't think & then tax me for it.

I'm fine in the land of Texas.

I remember back in the day when I was doing road trips all the way from Mexico City to Texas that everybody had a truck with a really cool anti-littering campaign sticker on the bumper that said:

"Don't mess with Texas" LOL

1 - Warning, not infraction
2 - Full frontal isn't "very light nude" however artistic its intentions

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Now that everyone is settled down, lets get back to discussing Top Gear and not how awesome Texas is, cameras, etc.

Ok dude, sorry. Man, your avatar is really spot on...

 

[Culkin]

I LOL'd at the latest Top Gear episode just like I have at every other episode ive ever watched with Hamster, Jezza and Captain Slow involved BUT I LOL'd even harder (almost to the point of rolling around on the floor) at the mexicans on here having a hissy fit about it

p.s before you try throwing your childish remarks back at me realise this I was born with a sense of humour therefor your insults will bounce off me like a powerball off concrete and ricochet back into making you look bigger fools then you do for blowing something way out of proportion already

Have a nice day!!

 

[PeterJB]

I'm interested to see how if would have panned out had TG not cheated at all. Even if the Aussies only had two cars to use!

 

[Ardius]

Nice to see them use the Tatton Park rally stage (I think?), its always nice to see local area stuff. I've always been trying to find more footage of that stage, its barely mentioned at all around the internet and very little information can be found.

 

[Touring Mars]

Top Gear are definitely running out of ideas, but it is atleast still entertaining (mostly)... The whole Mexican insult thing is, sadly, becoming more and more typical of the show - deliberately offensive and puerile - but, it's something that can and should simply be either ignored, shrugged off, or (better still) laughed at. Clarkson has repeatedly made disparaging remarks about nigh on everybody (except himself and the small cohort of celebs and women that he fawns over in a sickeningly creepy way), and it seems that Hammond is feeling left out... I'm not sure that there is any better way of voicing one's displeasure than simply turning off - or switching to Fifth Gear

 

[kanjifreak]

I LOL'd at the latest Top Gear episode just like I have at every other episode ive ever watched with Hamster, Jezza and Captain Slow involved BUT I LOL'd even harder (almost to the point of rolling around on the floor) at the mexicans on here having a hissy fit about it

p.s before you try throwing your childish remarks back at me realise this I was born with a sense of humour therefor your insults will bounce off me like a powerball off concrete and ricochet back into making you look bigger fools then you do for blowing something way out of proportion already

Have a nice day!!

I can clearly see that you were also born and raised without any education, your grammar, spelling, and capacity to communicate are the childish ones. At your age, my God, that is sad... Even more when we take into account that you come from the land in which people are not lazy nor stupid, and can only sleep a very reduced lapse so that they can not be left without any time to educate themselves in something as basic as their native language command and other immersive intellectual aspects of life like laughing at a refried TV show and/or some comments vehemently... Congratulations, York for sure is really proud of you.

Top Gear are definitely running out of ideas, but it is atleast still entertaining (mostly)... The whole Mexican insult thing is, sadly, becoming more and more typical of the show - deliberately offensive and puerile - but, it's something that can and should simply be either ignored, shrugged off, or (better still) laughed at. Clarkson has repeatedly made disparaging remarks about nigh on everybody (except himself and the small cohort of celebs and women that he fawns over in a sickeningly creepy way), and it seems that Hammond is feeling left out... I'm not sure that there is any better way of voicing one's displeasure than simply turning off - or switching to Fifth Gear

On the contrary, it is always a pleasure to read proper English like this, coming from an educated person with a real communication capacity.

 

[Owen.C93]

It was a boring episode compared to the first one.

 

[Wiegert]

I have to agree that it wasn't as good as the first episode, I was kind of disappointed with it overall. I hope the next episode will be an improvement over the previous offering.

 

[Submerged]

I didn't particularly enjoy this episode either, it did feel a bit out of sorts. And the Mexican stuff? Oh my, I thought I was suddenly transported into the 70's or something, with the prejudices. However I could see why they opted to do that, showing that they did not have confidence in the car itself. Although it did leave a rather bad taste in my mouth I must say.

The Australian Vs. England Test match scoring, I didn't particularly like the overtly anti-Australian stuff that the presenters did at times as it just seems slightly too much like: "You're from Australia, we have got to beat you regardless whatever we do, even if its in bad taste or cheating". It did provide some entertainment but not the same level as the Germany team.

Honestly? It wasn't that good.

 

[kanjifreak]

Ha, ha, ha, I can't believe it. BBC has blocked the episode with the Mexican insults from most internet pages, claiming "copyright infringement". Yet, many other episodes can be found everywhere...

Ha, ha, ha, the noble, valor filled and super refined British TV, and the poor "prone to famine and lazy" Mexican influence...

Ha, ha, ha... poor cowards, they rather come up with some "legal" excuse than accept their ignorant and idiotic entertainment industry...

Yeah, I'll buy a British car anytime, you retarded Top Gear host that I don't even know your name since you are only famous in very "refined and hard working places" ha,ha, since it reflects the personality of a nation, well said...

Ha, ha, ha... The Aston Martin will automatically slow down on curves ahead and drive elsewhere in a huge rush since they look a little complicated, so to speak (like a little British frightened knight with a tin armor and a holy grail splashed with Worcestershire Sauce, since it's pretty much the only "achievement" that the Brits have in the culinary world and that is what they have to drink)... ha, ha, ha. Unless of course, they seek breast feeding protection from their now grown up brother, the USA, ha, ha, ha...

Life is always fair... ha, ha, ha

 

[Submerged]

.....Its generally a policy of BBC on the iPlayer stuff to delete their content after seven days.

But you've not shown links to support your claims that the "BBC has blocked the episode" and where the other episodes can be seen.

 

[kanjifreak]

.....Its generally a policy of BBC on the iPlayer stuff to delete their content after seven days.

But you've not shown links to support your claims that the "BBC has blocked the episode" and where the other episodes can be seen.

Is it my obligation to prove stuff to you, Your Highness?

I am in real joy... ha, ha, ha

 

[NINE_HUNDRED]

It's re showing tonight on BBC2...

EDIT: Infact, it's on right now.

 

[kanjifreak]

It's re showing tonight on BBC2...

EDIT: Infact, it's on right now.

Enjoy, it is exactly aimed at the intellectual level of the British population, woohoo, are you excited? I'm sad since your ultra refined and hard work created repetition episode is not showing in Mexico... ha, ha, ha

I wish I could wake up every morning being British, and go back to sleep since there is no sun,!!!!! ha, ha, ha... Or feeling like a castaway in a remote, dark and soggy island, ha, ha, ha...

Now seriously, sell me an Aston Martin... ha, ha, ha

I also wish I could have a British woman along the road in the Martin, I've heard they are the best couples in the world, super tender, lovable, and passionate, hahahaha

poor idiots...

 

[livemusic]

I'm gonna watch it now... ha, ha, ha

 

[kanjifreak]

I'm gonna watch it now... ha, ha, ha

Enjoy, your inferiority complex seems pretty high, maybe the Brits could lend you a little space in the soggy island for you to feel better...

hahaha

Brazil?! Brazilians are pretty cool and close to Mexicans, but you sure are a mediocre with a thousand complexes, or something...

hahaha