United States Grand Prix

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Here I go again, making a habit for myself. This weekend sees the second of the back to back races in the championship this year, as the North American leg moves down from Montreal to Indianapolis, undoubtedly one of the most famous places on Earth when it comes to motor racing, a title boasted on the front of the building itself which in true American fashion proclaims Indianapolis as "Racing Capital of the World". The Brickyard, as it's affectionately called, was the penultimate round of the 2003 championship and one of the best races of the season.

Ferrari comes to Indianapolis looking for a repeat of their impressive victories of 2002 and 2003. Given their current form few are keen to bet against the mighty Maranello.

Williams seemed to have made a return to form in Canada, and despite a horrible Friday they managed pole position and some strong races. Sadly this was not to be and both cars were disqualified, but it was encouraging to see the Williams holding their own once again, not sliding back through the field as they have done all too often this year. Montoya will be looking to avoid crashing into Rubens, which so horribly ended his championship challenge in 2003, and also no doubt be looking to beat Ralf again, the tables having finally turned in Montreal.

McLaren's new car is still a while away, but if they can produce the same reliability they did in Canada they may be in the points again. Their Canadian campaign was of course aided by the exclusion of Williams and Toyota.

BAR continue to look strong, but not as much as past races. Button fought understeer and fading brakes whilst Sato lost his 4th engine in a row. On a circuit where the cars will spend the most time at full throttle for the entire season, Sato has a monkey to shrug off. This was however the race that Button briefly lead last year before succumbing to Raikkonen and Schumacher, and BAR are far more threatening in 2004.

Renault will be looking to put their bad weekend behind them, their first blip on the 2004 radar, the team having scored points at every race prior. Their driveshaft failures will hopefully not recur, but given the high speed nature of the circuit no one is really expecting them to take the fight to the Ferraris.

Sauber have been going from strength to strength, the consistency of their Bridgestone tyres and Ferrari engines helping them to a fine 5th on the constructor's table as we near the half way mark. They'll be two stopping again for sure, and this time Massa's suspension hopefully won't fail at an inopportune moment.

Jordan are smiling after their impressive haul in Canada, with Glock scoring 2 points in his debut race and outgunning Heidfeld, who also scored for the team. They'll be hoping similar shenanigans ensue as did in Canada and also America last year, where Heidfeld ran 3rd in his Sauber.

Toyota had a lacklustre race in Canada which then counted for nothing following their brake duct violations. Their only hope may lie in rain, or perhaps another track invasion ala Britain 2003, where they lead briefly.

Jaguar's sad season continues, they would surely have scored valuable points in Canada but for Klien managing to eliminate teammate Webber at the second turn. According to what got posted in another thread, Jaguar needs to be 6th or better to avoid the performance clause of Webber's contract kicking in, meaning they need to score 10 points to McLaren's none, along with a few other teams in between. Needless to say it's a hard ask.

The perennial underdogs will be on track, as Minardi continue their game struggle. Baumgartner and Bruni have been one retirement from the points in various races, but never quite broken through.

So, there you have it, a recap for all of you who already knew all that. Still, it gives me something to do. I know a few members will be in attendance so let the pics, comments and gossip be posted.
 
Hopefully BAR do well, and hopefully Sato can finish a race, it's quite sad what happening with him, what does he over-rev the engine or something, that car just insn't holding together for him!

As for Jordan, Glock seem to be doing well, not getting into any trouble, I think consistancy is the key, if they can finish the race and avoid any trouble they can get into the points again, given a bit of luck.

Jaguar seems an almost lost cause after showing a true glimmer of hope long ago in Malaysia.

The boys in blue are starting to show form again and although they aren't doing great they should do well in the US. I assume they still have the most powerfull engine in the field? Hopefully JPM can pull something together and bring Micheals almost perfect season to an end.

I think it's sad, no-one has beaten Micheal in ANY race that he has finished. And the one he didn't finish was human error not mechanical, I mean damn those Ferrari's WILL NOT break. I wish other teams could show that form. But the races for 3rd and 4th are still interesting, just they're not for 1st and 2nd:(

Oh well, hopefully it's a good race where someone can provide a challenge for the red cars.
 
I think Ferrari and BMW are pretty close, in the speed traps this year it's been Ferrari quite a bit.

Does anyone know if the Pantano management dispute has been resolved?

Michael still hasn't had the car fail him since Germany 2001, which is uh, 46 races ago now I believe.

It's raining heavily in Indianapolis atm from what I can gather but set to clear throughout the weekend to only be partly cloudy. I also found it ironic that 'Eagle Creek' is nearby.

I loved Nigel Mansell saying before the Monaco GP that if his car had had such consistent reliability he'd have won more than 1 world championship. From the man who boasted he wouldn't retire until he won 5 world championships I found that pretty funny.
 
lol, 46 races ago? i now want to infiltrate Ferrari and have a field day with Michaels car. :lol:

i go for alonso and trulli, but if they fail im going for Glock!!
 
I am telling you all Ferrari has stolen some kind of top secret military stuff only. It is the only explanation for their cars never failing. :lol::lol::lol:
 
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That's why Ferrari always wins.
 
I think Williams will be competitive this weekend, as they have traditionally been fast - if not reliable - at Indy.

Last years was a cracker thanks to the variable weather conditions. I hope (again) it is a wet race. We havent had one of those since the last US GP late last year :(
 
I find it funny that almost everyone on the Ferrari team have mis-shaped heads:lol:

Shell have developed a new oil which Ferrari will be using this weekend. It has been designed especially for high speed circuits and offers the Ferrari engine increased protection, especially in the high ambient temps expected at indy.

It's the tiny advantages that make Ferrari always win:(.

Since the track is being raced earlier in the year much higher temps are expected and the rain that we can usually get probably won't happen.
 
again? i was gonna post last time that i thought williams will get on the podium, most likely JPM, but im not overly positive. but now i think about it, i think it will happen, i see something like

1.Michael
2.JPM
3.Rubens

yes, the angry thorn between the funny shaped roses.:lol:
 
I'm going to go with Montoya on this one.Even though i don't like the guy he was very fast last year but ended up with engine faillure.It's very strange to think that M.Schumacher won't win,it's almost paranormal but i think if the Williams stays in one piece Montoya will win.
 
Eagle
Does anyone know if the Pantano management dispute has been resolved?

Giorgio Pantano is expected to be back with Jordan in Indianapolis but it is not yet clear how the he's overcome his problems of management and will be back in the car. It makes no sense to keep Pantano out of the car any longer as his ultimate worth is based on having an F1 career and without a drive he is not going to be able to make a return on the investment.
 
Sounds logical to me.

I'm wondering if we're not all underestimating Renault... They were lightning quick at Montreal given people generally write them off on circuits requiring high top speeds and low downforce. Assuming they don't have more driveshaft failures things may go well.
 
Eagle
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Yep, it is exactly why Ferrari always wins. The other teams have not figured this out yet, but I have. Maybe one of the teams should hire me to work for them, I am sure I could find out some kind of answers.
 
im not underestimating renault, as they are my favourite team, but i see both ferarris in the points and i think the closest car to them will be williams. i really hope renault get on the podium, but i see them placing 4th-6th.
 
I hope JPM can get his act together and win in the US. Renault are good but I'm not seeing them on the podium. BAR should go pretty well and Maybe Button will get ANOTHER podium.
 
Interesting 1st day, Steve had some great stories on some of the F1 tech and actually got Ross to take the rear bodywork off the F2004. What a lovely package the rear end is, neat and very tidy, orderly.

Sato and Massa had a nice getting together in one. Sato pulled Massa down the front stretch and went alongside into 1, got nearly the full car next to him and Massa turned down on him. Massa was also blue flagged leading upto turn 1, not a smart move. Speaking of Sato, Matchett did talk about that the belief of race motor engineers was that the driver really couldn't influence motor life. Honda engineers are now thinking otherwise since Sato has managed to tank 5 motors, while Jensen hasn't lost any.
 
Blake
I hope JPM can get his act together and win in the US. Renault are good but I'm not seeing them on the podium. BAR should go pretty well and Maybe Button will get ANOTHER podium.

Or instead of just a podium finish, he will get the win. Button--or someone other than Ferrari for once--for the win! :lol:
 
Firestater75
Matchett did talk about that the belief of race motor engineers was that the driver really couldn't influence motor life. Honda engineers are now thinking otherwise since Sato has managed to tank 5 motors, while Jensen hasn't lost any.
I'm willing to agree with the Honda engineers.

Monty looks fairly good on the time sheets but Rubens, way to rub it in your teammate:lol:
 
Too bad they´ll never let Rubens win the the race and I don´t think that Michael will brake before the line again to let Rubinho win accitdentally :)
 
no team orders, well...err... if you say so.
nice qualifiying, it´ll be interesting to see rubens blocking those bar´s and williams so schumi can take #8 ;)
 
Firestarter75
There are no team orders, if there were Barichello would have not dogged Schumi so bad in Canada.
One explication I've heard is perhaps Schumi just did it on purpose while Barrichello was light on fuel, to slow him down a bit. Once Barrichello got in the pits, Micheal went suddenly faster by .4 seconds per lap. We'll never know, but it sounds plausible to me.
 
VashTheStampede
Yep, it is exactly why Ferrari always wins. The other teams have not figured this out yet, but I have. Maybe one of the teams should hire me to work for them, I am sure I could find out some kind of answers.

Erm, I don't know if that's sarcasm but there was a picture linked there initially, Ferrari have since changed their site layout. It was just a pic of Michael, Rubens and Michael's engineer on the podium laughing and looking generally euphoric. I was implying the harmony within the team is a large factor in their success.

There will be no team orders because the Ferrari men are only racing themselves. I don't expect Rubens to win but he's surprised us all before, and he's had pace all weekend. I'd love to see him claim the win. As long as they don't take each other out Ferrari will let them race - they're getting 18 points either way so who cares? And if something goes wrong, ala Spain, then there's backup for whoever's suffering.

I'm expecting another one two well clear of the rest. Renault won't recover through pace but perhaps reliability, BAR will be quick, Williams... I don't honestly know.

Go Rubens.
 
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