Unofficial Official Canada Thread

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Beeb - Canadian federal judge Robin Camp who asked why a rape victim couldn't keep her knees together has resigned.

In the 2014 case, he asked a 19-year-old woman: "Why couldn't you just keep your knees together?"

He also said, "pain and sex sometimes go together" and had referred to the complainant as "the accused," court records show.

Now often judges have to ask deliberately stupid or obvious questions for the benefit of, or on behalf of, the jury. Sometimes they do have to spell things out just so everyone is clear. But that does seem like an incredibly poor choice of words.
 
Sensibility has taken him over, huzzah!

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/kevin-oleary-drops-out-endorses-bernier-1.4086583

I'm not saying Bernier is exactly who I'd want him supporting but it's better than an O'Leary led party.
O'Leary doesn't speak French. There hasn't been a Prime Minister that didn't speak french for half a century and Quebecers tend to vote as a block. You either get a large majority of seats there historically, or you are shut out or nearly so. If your leader isn't fluent in French forget it, you've got zero chance.
 
https://www.pressreader.com/canada/the-globe-and-mail-bc-edition/20170622/281565175761758
The current Prime Minister of Canada works out of the Langevin Block of buildings in Ottawa, named after one of our founding fathers of Confederation, a member of the Cabinet of Sir John A. McDonald, our very first Prime Minister. Mr. Langevin was the superintendent of Indian Affairs and a proponent of the residential school system, a true black mark in Canadian history. Today PM Trudeau officially removed the Langevin name from the block of buildings that have held his name for more than 130 years, essentially to appease our First Nation's members. Should we judge our forefathers based on modern mores and standards of behaviour and thought? Would anyone from our distant past pass that test? Do we remove Sir John A's name from various buildings, bridges, schools and airports that contain his name because his party was involved in a bribery scandal and he was a raging alcoholic?
 
This has happened near me too. Colston Hall in Bristol is being renamed because Edward Colston was a slave trader, despite the huge contribution he made to the city. How long before the Washington Monument is changed? Or the whole city of renamed? Or Mount Rushmore gets levelled?

"Let's erase the bad parts of history...whilst also saying we shouldn't forget it in case we repeat it"
 
this was a few days ago but no one posted this:
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This was from a Saudi Arabian Government Twitter account, they literally threatened Canada with a 9/11 style attack.

This was because of the Canadian ambassador in Saudi Arabia condemning the mass arrest of woman activists who pushed the right for woman to drive in the country.
 
this was a few days ago but no one posted this:
View attachment 758025 This was from a Saudi Arabian Government Twitter account, they literally threatened Canada with a 9/11 style attack.


This was because of the Canadian ambassador in Saudi Arabia condemning the mass arrest of woman activists who pushed the right for woman to drive in the country.

Really?? Everytime when someone has a spat with Saudi Arabia, this "sensitive" attack subject is being used against SA to get the public opinion in your side? I think this message was clearly misunderstood and the tweet was deleted.

As for the political issues, I think whatever Canada is doing about human rights is good, but this was never the cause for this. I believe it was the way the Canadian government handled the situation was wrong. Why?

A- A public tweet in an "ordering" statement was not the smartest thing to do with what you should consider as an ally.

B- it was a state of internal interference.

Politics are never made in public, and tweeting is not the norm to handle foreign / international differences. Your core values could be correct, but this was an error by the Canadian government.
 
Really?? Everytime when someone has a spat with Saudi Arabia, this "sensitive" attack subject is being used against SA to get the public opinion in your side? I think this message was clearly misunderstood and the tweet was deleted.

As for the political issues, I think whatever Canada is doing about human rights is good, but this was never the cause for this. I believe it was the way the Canadian government handled the situation was wrong. Why?

A- A public tweet in an "ordering" statement was not the smartest thing to do with what you should consider as an ally.

B- it was a state of internal interference.

Politics are never made in public, and tweeting is not the norm to handle foreign / international differences. Your core values could be correct, but this was an error by the Canadian government.

A) maybe if they keep blatantly breaking human rights the world would be a better place if we don't vonsider them allies

A) maybe it's hypcritical to look the other way just because they are allies when a country breaks human rights

B) human rights are not a states internal affairs. SA had gotten away with awefull thing way to many times because they're in bed with the USA.

Maybe we finally should start acting as we sprak and start giving countries like SA the boot when considering who ought to be our allies same for some other countries.
 
A) maybe if they keep blatantly breaking human rights the world would be a better place if we don't vonsider them allies

A) maybe it's hypcritical to look the other way just because they are allies when a country breaks human rights

B) human rights are not a states internal affairs. SA had gotten away with awefull thing way to many times because they're in bed with the USA.

Maybe we finally should start acting as we sprak and start giving countries like SA the boot when considering who ought to be our allies same for some other countries.
1 Would you please explain what human rights are being breached and they are getting away with it? And please provide a legitimate source for it.

2- Do you know specifically why those people were arrested? "BTW it's an on going investigation and some of them were released"

3- It the job of the UN to address those "Human rights" IF existed and carry the proper investigation, all you have to do is to submit your complain to the UN.

SA foreign minister had welcomed any suggestions or cooperation if they were proposed in the proper channels, but to come out in public and give orders? What do you expect SA to say OK we will do that? No way!
 
1 Would you please explain what human rights are being breached and they are getting away with it? And please provide a legitimate source for it.

Freedom of expression, association and assembly are those primarily listed by Amnesty. You don't have to take their word for the incidents they cite - they're available from pretty much whichever news outlet takes your fancy.

2- Do you know specifically why those people were arrested? "BTW it's an on going investigation and some of them were released"

See above.

3- It the job of the UN to address those "Human rights" IF existed and carry the proper investigation, all you have to do is to submit your complain to the UN.

While that's the final mechanism the details of the UDHR are a little more nuanced than that. Of course, that's a sticky wicket for Britain when we're keeping BAe alive by selling the Saudis some of the hardware they're using to batter Yemen.
 
Freedom of expression, association and assembly are those primarily listed by Amnesty. You don't have to take their word for the incidents they cite - they're available from pretty much whichever news outlet takes your fancy.
While I agree that there are a little bit of restrictions there.... However most of those allegations are "Media misled" and are over exaggerated. You have absolute freedom to practice your rights regardless of your religion or gender as long as you don't insult their religion, royal family or trying to destabilize the country. The only thing that I can say it's true, is the approval from a guardian for a woman to travel, which btw she can get a court order to revoke that if there's no reason, serious offense or crime preventing her from traveling. Other than that most of these claims are nonsense tbh.
 
While I agree that there are a little bit of restrictions there.... However most of those allegations are "Media misled" and are over exaggerated. You have absolute freedom to practice your rights regardless of your religion or gender as long as you don't insult their religion, royal family or trying to destabilize the country. The only thing that I can say it's true, is the approval from a guardian for a woman to travel, which btw she can get a court order to revoke that if there's no reason, serious offense or crime preventing her from traveling. Other than that most of these claims are nonsense tbh.

Yeah that's off coarse only a small offense against human rights having woman go trough a mandatorry processes to have the right to travel...
Do you hear yoyrself saying this?

Also you can think in an other way in saudi arabia?
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...ack-down-on-political-dissidents-9228389.html
As long as they don't know what you think right?

Insulting islam as you aluded to in your post is also illegal.

So if SA is not as bad as made out in the media what subtle nuance to the story am I missing?

These 2 things alone is enough to call them out. Off coarse SA will not just let this be said without a response but canada speaking out is not a bad thing regardless of that. Which kind of was my entire point with the post you qouted.
 
Yeah that's off coarse only a small offense against human rights having woman go trough a mandatorry processes to have the right to travel...
Do you hear yoyrself saying this?
I already said that women right to travel is one of the subjects that it's true about it, and I never argued that they are the perfect nation, and none is. But it's not a mandatory process, they are able to travel as they wish, only in case if a guardian refuses to let her travel without a valid reason that this court order can be submitted.

you can think in an other way in saudi arabia?
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...ack-down-on-political-dissidents-9228389.html
As long as they don't know what you think right?

Insulting islam as you aluded to in your post is also illegal.

So if SA is not as bad as made out in the media what subtle nuance to the story am I missing?

These 2 things alone is enough to call them out. Off coarse SA will not just let this be said without a response but canada speaking out is not a bad thing regardless of that. Which kind of was my entire point with the post you qouted.
What's your point here? Are you picking up every single case to argue that SA are the only offenders and all the other nations are clear? Most countries have their own breaches and abuses, please don't act like SA are the only once.
 
I already said that women right to travel is one of the subjects that it's true about it, and I never argued that they are the perfect nation, and none is. But it's not a mandatory process, they are able to travel as they wish, only in case if a guardian refuses to let her travel without a valid reason that this court order can be submitted.


What's your point here? Are you picking up every single case to argue that SA are the only offenders and all the other nations are clear? Most countries have their own breaches and abuses, please don't act like SA are the only once.

My case here is that you are setting up an equivocation fallacy (or how to call it in english correct me if wrong).
The offenses I listed are very severe, I also wonder why you're so disingenious to downplay the effect of having to ask either a gaurdian or court to be allowed to travel. You're writing it off as a minor offense but having woman be your property (which is what that entails, owning the freedom of movement of a certain person) is either slavery or something to damn close to it for comfort.

Arresting people for speaking their mind or being who you are is bas enough, to then have possible deathsentences for these crimes is sickening.

To try and put this on the same level as i.e. Belgium breaking the human rights act on how many prisoners can sleep in a certain cell is unfair.

For clarity: It's about damn time my country starts providing prisoners whit an adequate environment for them to be rehabilitated and it's awefull we still haven't. But it's almost uncomparable to the amount of ****** thing SA does and what those thing they do are.

So my goal with these posts is to show why the false premis that SA isn't as bad as we make them out to be is completely false. Maybe a better term then false would be bs.
 
I already said that women right to travel is one of the subjects that it's true about it, and I never argued that they are the perfect nation, and none is. But it's not a mandatory process, they are able to travel as they wish, only in case if a guardian refuses to let her travel without a valid reason that this court order can be submitted.


What's your point here? Are you picking up every single case to argue that SA are the only offenders and all the other nations are clear? Most countries have their own breaches and abuses, please don't act like SA are the only once.
And most countries don't have it in Law that half the population need a handler to go outside.
 
https://globalnews.ca/news/4840763/radio-host-threats-yellow-vest/


A Kamloops, B.C. radio host has been on the receiving end of a torrent of threats and abuse after posting a critical tweet about Canada’s Yellow Vest movement.

Radio NL host Brett Mineer took to Twitter on Wednesday to comment on what he felt were the uglier elements of the movement, including what he described as racist elements and conspiracy theories

This type of stuff will result in the yellow jackeys becoming outcasts and any conservative party in Canada not winning any federal election
 
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