Unpopular Motorsport Opinions
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I'm glad it's gone actually, it was like trying to make a Magikarp compete against a Mewtwo. You either make Mewtwo so weak or Magikarp so OP. It got out of hand, IMSA had to allow Michael Shank to use a DP engine to compete.
Well DPi are really just LMP2 with DP ideas of make bodies and engines thrown in.
IMO, DPi really should've came sooner, it symbolises a "merged series" far more than 2 totally different classes fighting for 1 title.
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- NRW
- Vinylshark
Our national GT3 series is every year on the Sachsenring and the races aren't as bad as you'd expect on this circuit.
Wouldn't even say that it's the worst circuit on the calender. That honor goes to Oschersleben.
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- United States
- RazorSharkz
Bringing up an old point but I think Barcelona sucks terribly, and that the Valencia Street circuit was decent.
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- Hindmarsh Island
- TDZ-4-12-14-88
- XBOX_is_GAY!!!!
Agreed, the Valencia street circuit was far better then Catalunya, though it did seem somewhat like a Tilke design, if it was more Americanized meaning that walls are apex's the racing would have been so much better,
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- Connecticut.
- mwoodski
- mwoodski
Stage rally is impressively boring and is equivalent to qualifying for a race that never happens.
LMP1, while ludicrously fast, is Not That Great. I await it's death within 5 years.
WEC is ridiculously over-rated and the fields are far too small for it's praise.
Sebring needs a repave badly. The whole facility is embarrassing when you see it that it's supposedly "world class."
Pure dark in endurance racing is terrible as a spectator or as a television viewer. You cant tell who's who until they're right on top of you. Daytona does it perfect for the Rolex with the 20% lighting power.
LMP1, while ludicrously fast, is Not That Great. I await it's death within 5 years.
WEC is ridiculously over-rated and the fields are far too small for it's praise.
Sebring needs a repave badly. The whole facility is embarrassing when you see it that it's supposedly "world class."
Pure dark in endurance racing is terrible as a spectator or as a television viewer. You cant tell who's who until they're right on top of you. Daytona does it perfect for the Rolex with the 20% lighting power.
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- HamiltonMP427
This isn't unpopular it's just flat out wrong. HAAS said they wouldn't develop the car after the first few races, and this was due to seeing no point despite getting points, because the rule change for 2017 would be massive. The money spent in updates over the course of 2016 would be better spent in 2017's car. This is even more highlighted with the fact that HAAS was green lit to race in F1 for the 2015 season but spent that preparing even more so, so they have this philosophy already of preparing ahead. Also they did actually develop slightly after they said they wouldn't and ran it later on, which is why the car slightly improved again later in the season.
But the base was decent it was never amazing or fourth best. When we look at who was actually fourth best (Force India), we see a car that is essentially the b-spec version of the 15 car and just more updates and almost c-spec if that were to exist. That is clearly a strong foundation and more so due to the consistency it had compared to HAAS even over the first half, the second half it became even stronger after more updates.
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- racingheartruby
- RubyWooby
I'd like to personally hear why it's overrated and why the fields are too small worthy of making it an overrated series.
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There's only 3 teams in the main 2 classes (GTE-Pro and LMP1) this doesn't include Rebellion and ByKolles but they really don't do anything to affect the series. This leaves 6 cars since Porsche and Audi have given up having 3 cars for Le Mans. With Audi gone, it's just Porsche and Toyota.
Granted you can have good racing with just a small field but it's rare and most of the time 1 car dominates while the rest hardly have any fights on their own.
LMP2 and GTE-Am are hardly ever cared about in the broadcasts and news so it really doesn't seem interesting at all.
I do want LMP1 to stride but it's pretty much collapsing at this point.
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- mwoodski
- mwoodski
Aside from Le Mans, all the tracks they go to suck. The constant "YOU WONT SEE ANYTHING LIKE THIS IN F1" crap from the commentators and fanbase is incredibly grating. P1 is dying, and even when it was well subscribed the past few years, the lift and coast style of racing is not something I look for(same crap happens in F1 too, in fairness).
If Toyota wins Le Mans, they're out of P1. Leaving only Porsche and at that point there's no point for Porsche to continue and with them gone, LMP1 and the WEC will collapse.
It's dying series in which most of the fanbase views only with blinders on as THE BEST IN THE WORLD.
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- racingheartruby
- RubyWooby
The fanbase is an odd way to criticize a series, but whatever.
And please link me to where they said that Toyota would leave P1 if they won Le Mans? They've spent so much damn money on the program to just go "okai bai"
And P2, GTE PRO and AM does well enough to keep WEC going...
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- I_powerslide
Yeah, watch these and tell me again that rally is boring. If these doesn't get you excited, you probably aren't human.
BMW and Lamborghini are joining in the next couple of seasons, plus a full factory Porsche effort this year, an extended Ford program and the very likely possibility of a Pro Corvette program from Larbre. GTE is going to double in size over the next couple years.
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- Florida, USA
- Formidable_LG
- Formidable77
And it is "world class". The 12H of Sebring this year was the best race I've been to, and the facilities are very well kept. The main straights are an old WWII runway, and it's been intentionally kept that way to give a challenge of tire wear and keeping the car stable on the straights. If you don't like it for having that characteristic, then that's fine, but don't expect them to repave something that they want to keep to give the track it's uniqueness.
Edit: And I, too, would like to see where you got the info that Toyota was going to leave P1 if they won. I browse the sportcar reddit pages and websites almost daily and have not seen anything of the sort.
Edit 2: Take a look at this, actually. http://sportscar365.com/lemans/wec/toyota-audis-withdrawal-has-no-effect-on-2017-program/
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- stigsdaddy
Ok, so what exactly is boring about rallying? What racing series' would you say are more interesting/exciting, and why?
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- mwoodski
- mwoodski
Does nothing for me. Single car stuff bores me.
I know all about Sebrings history.
Info comes from conversing with those in the sport on an almost daily basis. The only reason Toyota comes back every year is because they want to win Le Mans. They, much like many people, are tired of Mazda being the only Japanese manufacture to take the race, and the fact they continue to milk that victory 25 years later.
I dislike stage rally for the reason stated. It's single car stuff against the clock. It's like qualifying for a race that never happens.
Every series that actually has cars competing wheel to wheel interests me more than stage rally. I think the cars are awesome, just dislike the discipline.
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- mwoodski
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- stigsdaddy
Ok, so specific series' that are better and why? Sure, racing against the clock would be boring on a simple circuit like an oval or something, but on the stages found in the WRC? Have you ever attempted to drive quickly on roads like that?
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- stigsdaddy
So watching some of the very best drivers in the world, driving on the edge in very dangerous circumstances, on some of the world's trickiest roads, in all kinds of conditions, is what you call boring? Could you please let me know what your favourite series is? What is so exciting that it makes rallying so dull in comparison that it bores you to tears?
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- Florida, USA
- Formidable_LG
- Formidable77
...Okay? Good to know. But again, the track and facilities are very well maintained. I don't see how it isn't world class.
I need to know who "those" people are. Your statement isn't credible without a proper resource.
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Once the 90 degree corners from Turns 1-6 are over, it's awesome. But they're too much, and the straight from T2-3 is overshadowed by the start straight
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- Leadfoot530
Race cars, especially prototypes such as LMP1s or LMP2, shouldn't be trying to mimic road cars.
In can understand having it for stock cars used by NASCAR, which I feel is slowly going to fall back into the CoT era, but seeing people complain about an LMP2 spec car that "doesn't have enough brand identity" just irks me. That's like complaining that the water in the Arctic Ocean is cold. It's a prototype racer builtfor speed and preformance; function over form. Good on Mazda for making their DPI look nice, and maybe the Caddy and Nissan weren't that impressive, but come race day, looks is the last thing they're thinking about.
I should probably reiterate for any loophole hunters that this is primarily for the LMP based fields GTs are solely based around that ideology and I see no problem with them as they're based off the road cars, not so much for the prototypes, however. They just seem so radical that the point of making a better brand identity to me seems moot.
In can understand having it for stock cars used by NASCAR, which I feel is slowly going to fall back into the CoT era, but seeing people complain about an LMP2 spec car that "doesn't have enough brand identity" just irks me. That's like complaining that the water in the Arctic Ocean is cold. It's a prototype racer builtfor speed and preformance; function over form. Good on Mazda for making their DPI look nice, and maybe the Caddy and Nissan weren't that impressive, but come race day, looks is the last thing they're thinking about.
I should probably reiterate for any loophole hunters that this is primarily for the LMP based fields GTs are solely based around that ideology and I see no problem with them as they're based off the road cars, not so much for the prototypes, however. They just seem so radical that the point of making a better brand identity to me seems moot.
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