VCRC vintage & low power :: Sunday 3pm GMT / 10am US EST

[kcheeb]

Black eye purple metallic - stock rims.

 

[Chiochan]

Gold Poly, stock rims.

 

[KingKlingeling]

Black matte , stock rims .
At least 1 mandatory pit stop !
if available : nr.99
I dont care about the tires as long as its not RS

 

[mister2cc]

Colour: Ingot Silver
Rims: Stock

Just did some laps and I got a 0:51.456 with comfort soft tires and no aids. I wonder if that's competitive

 

[BrandonW77]

I was hoping to do a mandatory pit stop with mandatory tire change...
But in testing, @amarynceos & I found some problems with this. Like that sometimes it doesn't allow you any options when you enter the pit.

This is bizarre.

So anyway, if anyone has anything to input about this... have at it.

Some have put forth the theory that the depressing of the accelerator is actually triggering the "OK" input before the pit options screen pops up, thus making your selection before you see the options.

I have not tested this theory but will attempt to and then report my findings.

 

[GTsail]

Some have put forth the theory that the depressing of the accelerator is actually triggering the "OK" input before the pit options screen pops up, thus making your selection before you see the options.

I have had this ^^^^^happen to me at La Sarthe, so you may be correct that we are triggering the "OK" by having the accelerator pressed.

GTsail

 

[watermelon punch]

FYI: The Toyota Sports 800 - either comfort hards or comfort mediums
(it comes on comfort mediums)
Either way we'll be using one of those... maybe both with a switch up mandatory.

Some have put forth the theory that the depressing of the accelerator is actually triggering the "OK" input before the pit options screen pops up, thus making your selection before you see the options.

I have not tested this theory but will attempt to and then report my findings.

Interesting.
The first time when I had it not work I had braked going into the pit lane... and I may have been slightly on the throttle.
After that (when it worked) I had decided to "slow down" going into the pit... and the difference MAY have been that I went off throttle completely & glided in.

@amarynceos I think NEVER had it work... I could be wrong... perhaps he will have something to contribute to this conversation.👍


In gt5 there was always the problem of going into the pit lane too fast on some tracks ... and it would not change your tires, repair your damage, or give you fuel...
Does that happen in GT6?

 

[BrandonW77]

Ask @MC-Chase what happens if you make an improper pit entrance at Tsukuba.

Did some quick testing and I could not replicate the pit bug by holding the throttle, in fact the options screen pops up about a half second after auto-drive takes over so you pretty much have no choice but to have the throttle depressed.

However, I could replicate the bug by feathering the throttle when entering the pits. I heard the confirmation tone but never saw the options screen. Wheel users likely wouldn't be feathering the throttle in this situation but I know controller users often feather the throttle to get better throttle control and if they are doing this when entering pit lane they could easily trigger the confirmation on the options screen without seeing it pop up.

So the question is, has any wheel user had the bug happen or is it only controller users experiencing it?

 

[Phouchg]

Didn't get alerts from this thread again.. stupid thing. I think I can do next Sunday so sign me up on bright yellow with black rims. The idea of using both compounds sounded interesting. Would make for some tactical decisions..

I've never had de pit bug happen to me (wheel), heard about others having the problem but don't know if they're on wheel or controller. :/

 

[MC-Chase]

Yes, as Brandon mentioned I have first hand experience of entering the pit-lane too fast and receiving a drive through penalty , so it does still exist in GT6. In terms of the option screen glitch I almost never see the screen for tire choice and fuel amounts; it seems to work by track for me - as in 10% or so of the tracks have the option screen appear and the other 90% don't, I haven't noticed any correlation with what I'm doing with the controller at the time. This being said I haven't really bothered testing it properly so certainly don't quote me on this being absolutely correct.

 

[amarynceos]

Re: Pit bug.

It never once let me select CM tyres, only CH. I had access to the full menu every time, so it wasn't an issue with accidental confirmation; CH was simply the only option available. Where there should have been two options, there was only one. Oh, and I use a wheel, as well.

Really, really irritating bug.

 

[watermelon punch]

- @amarynceos - I thought you weren't getting hte options menu at all.
The first time I didn't.

That seems odd because you SHOULD have had Comfort Mediums available as they COME WITH THE CAR. And it was allowed Comfort Mediums or less. And I was given the option - when I got the option screen.
So that's super duper weird.

@BrandonW77 - of course yes, I sometimes feather the throttle because that's the only way to regulate w/ ds3 ... but that's usually only an issue in fast/powerful cars.
But not in a low power car...
What I'm trying to say is feathering is something you do because it has to be regulated QUICKLY & there isn't time for finesse... in a lower power car the action is happening at a slow enough speed so that you can regulate by just pressing down less... That's certainly true in the Sports 800, which is going pretty slow.

I'm pretty sure I was just on about 1/4 throttle or a bit less than 1/2... I don't think I would've been "pumping it" to enter the pit in the Sports 800 when I hit the entry to the pit lane at probably no more than 40mph.

Maybe brakes come into it? I did use the brakes moments before I hit the pit the first time when I didn't get the options. And I coasted in from further when I did get the option.

But I will be testing this further tomorrow. And I will try feathering, pumping, holding it on flat, holding it at half & not at all, and see if there's any differences between. And then I'll try differences in braking.

And for reference...
I'm not 100% sure when I've had the options screen pop up or not in all the races... But I know I got the options screen in the Abarth 500 race, but then not in the Plymouth Ghia race.
The others I just don't remember, so I'm assuming I got the selection screen.

 

[BrandonW77]

Yes, as Brandon mentioned I have first hand experience of entering the pit-lane too fast and receiving a drive through penalty , so it does still exist in GT6. In terms of the option screen glitch I almost never see the screen for tire choice and fuel amounts; it seems to work by track for me - as in 10% or so of the tracks have the option screen appear and the other 90% don't, I haven't noticed any correlation with what I'm doing with the controller at the time. This being said I haven't really bothered testing it properly so certainly don't quote me on this being absolutely correct.

Well to be fair you entered the pits in the completely wrong place and that's why you got a drive-through. Didn't have anything to do with your speed.

Also, your 10% experience could correlate with my results. At A-Ring Mini there is a slight bend in the pit entrance and I have to lift to avoid going off because the road is so narrow. I don't lift fully, just a bit, and that's exactly the situation where (I would think) a controller user would be feathering the throttle. It's generally more difficult for a controller user to hold a medium throttle input needed to navigate the bend in the road. This is why feathering is effective, it's tricky to hold a steady 65% brake/throttle input but if you rapidly fluctuate over/under/over/under then you can "average" something close to that 65% and get the same effect.

I can hear you guys feathering when we race and I completely understand why you do it. You also do the same with the joystick which is why you can see the front wheels twitching like crazy from controller users. It's probably a more efficient way to do it really, that's how I'd do it. When I encountered the bend in the pit entrance I thought "this is exactly where a controller user would benefit from feathering" and a second later the pit options screen popped up. When I feathered the throttle through there I would hear the confirmation tone but never saw the screen because I effectively hit "OK" before it was displayed. So if you hear the tone but don't see the options screen you know what's happened, it wasn't a bug in that case.

I'm not saying this is absolutely the case but the results supported the hypothesis and were easily repeatable. There are many tracks in the game that have narrow pit entries which require some kind of partial throttle input to navigate safely. This creates the opportunity for this "bug" to happen quite often and to appear as some kind of error in the game when in fact it's more user error (not blaming anyone). A simple fix for this would be for them to put a 3-5 second delay between when auto-drive takes over and when the option screen pops up, just enough time to allow users to fully release the throttle.

Again, this may not be the correct theory but it gives us something to test. If controller users could do a series of tests where they do multiple pitstops entering at speed and another set of stops where you coast into the pits, I'd guess you never encounter the bug when you're coasting in (if my theory is correct). If the bug happens when you're coasting we know my theory is 100% wrong.

- @amarynceos -

of course yes, I sometimes feather the throttle because that's the only way to regulate w/ ds3 ... but that's usually only an issue in fast/powerful cars.
But not in a low power car...
What I'm trying to say is feathering is something you do because it has to be regulated QUICKLY & there isn't time for finesse... in a lower power car the action is happening at a slow enough speed so that you can regulate by just pressing down less... That's certainly true in the Sports 800, which is going pretty slow.

On track, yes. But even a 1% increase in throttle input could result in a confirmation command being given and I could see that being easy to do on some of these narrow pit entries. Or maybe not, I've never used a controller to race.

 

[watermelon punch]

I don't think I heard a tone... but I'll listen for that when I test too.

And I'm still not thinking I was feathering at Autumn Ring Mini in the Sports 800... the road does NOT seem at all narrow when you're going that slow in the Sports 800. In fact, it seemed a very natural & easy "straight shot in" in the Sports 800, to be quite honest... In fact, it was such a nice line in that I remember thinking... oh, this won't be bad at all to pit HERE. But again, you're not going very fast at all on that turn coming up to the pit lane in the Sports 800.
Of coruse there's the possibility I'm feathering without knowing it...

 

[MC-Chase]

Not my fault Tsukuba has a confusing pit-entry (entirely my fault).

So, if I hear you correctly, if you simply coast into the pit, as in not pressing anything at all - the pit lane options should always come up? Certainly worth giving that a go, sure would answer a few questions.

 

[BrandonW77]

I don't think I heard a tone... but I'll listen for that when I test too.

And I'm still not thinking I was feathering at Autumn Ring Mini in the Sports 800... the road does NOT seem at all narrow when you're going that slow in the Sports 800. In fact, it seemed a very natural & easy "straight shot in" in the Sports 800, to be quite honest... In fact, it was such a nice line in that I remember thinking... oh, this won't be bad at all to pit HERE. But again, you're not going very fast at all on that turn coming up to the pit lane in the Sports 800.
Of coruse there's the possibility I'm feathering without knowing it...

I could be completely wrong, I just know I had to lift a tad on pit road to keep from running wide because it was so narrow, even in this little car. I thought that could be a place where a small feather might happen which could cause the options screen not to show. But it was a very short test and although I could replicate the results, correlation does not always equal causation.

Not my fault Tsukuba has a confusing pit-entry (entirely my fault).

So, if I hear you correctly, if you simply coast into the pit, as in not pressing anything at all - the pit lane options should always come up? Certainly worth giving that a go, sure would answer a few questions.

Only if my theory is correct. It may not be, it's just a theory. It could be that sometimes it happens because of an inadvertent throttle tap and sometimes it's due to a bug, or maybe it's always a bug. I just enjoy using science to test things and answer questions and I am more than willing to accept that this theory could be completely wrong and will admit as much if other test produce different results. I've never had the bug happen to me but will test it more when I have time. 👍

 

[watermelon punch]

Not my fault Tsukuba has a confusing pit-entry (entirely my fault)..

I don't much like pitting at Tskuba myself.
Some tracks are definitely better than others.
I always found pitting at Daytona Super Speedway & Toscana Tarmac in GT5 to be a real risk for that drive through with no service. And so I always assumed it happened when you went in too fast.
Most people seemed to blame that so I never actually did a scientific style test.

But I would rather this no pit options menu thing be a problem that could be avoided.

It would seem to be a controller-issue if ONLY ds3 users actually have it happen.

 

[amarynceos]

Even if you can successfully avoid the 'no pit options menu' problem, there's still this larger problem, even when you have the menu, of not being able to select all the tyre types that should be available.

 

[watermelon punch]

Well yes, there is that too. But I think that's a separate issue. Probably not related.

Edit: Oh I see what you mean... yes, with a tire change forced.
But I mean even without a tire change forced... I still want to know how to avoid not getting hte menu.

 

[dmihaylov]

Do you consider to have some kind of race in the middle of the week?

 

[KingKlingeling]

Do you consider to have some kind of race in the middle of the week?

Mixer makeshift shuffle , tuesday, thursday , some fridays and saturdays I wish I had more spare time 👍

 

[Phouchg]

Middle of the weeks she's doing the Makeshift shuffles so probably not... Probably will be less of them midweek as well soon, so join while you can.

 

[watermelon punch]

 

[CC570]

:tup:I'll be in the matte light red sports 800 with classic steel wheels painted to match.

 

[BrandonW77]

Mine is a greenish blue (Cotswald Blue) with gray wheels.

 

[SpeedyMcQueen]

Hello VCRC vintage community,if it possible wood like to join
your events to meet nice and fair drivers!!
Please!!

 

[KingKlingeling]

Did I have to mention , black matte + gold

 

[daddyo845]

I'll be there on Sunday and I will be using verde countach and lightning yellow rims.

 

[cbcvabch]

was wondering if any open spots for sunday race?

 

[BrandonW77]

I'll be there on Sunday and I will be using verde countach......

I'm guessing that's a green? I think the point of listing colors is so other people know who is driving what, some paint names don't exactly describe what color they are. But verde is "green" in Spanish (and probably Italian) so I'm guessing it is a shade of green.