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I just caught up, and the funniest thing I’ve seen is that somebody thinks the 100m board is the braking point for T1 at Interlagos.
I’d be mad if I was that slow too
I don't see anyone saying the 100m board was the braking point.
I just caught up, and the funniest thing I’ve seen is that somebody thinks the 100m board is the braking point for T1 at Interlagos.
I’d be mad if I was that slow too
Is it bigotry if it's true though?Nobody needs to see that.
Irrelevant memes.
Constant bickering.
Bigotry against the Welsh.
Almost useless thread tiles.
@Groundfish why are you tagging me back in to this? I left? But since you did, some brief thoughts, not that anyone cares, its all just opinions mixed with trashy photos and a few hard truths at this stage.
Fwiw, pictures are from wrong angle and wrong time. They also fail to show speed. Many people have explained this better than I could.
Kermits extensive post explains ten times over why its clean.
I was highly amused to read the line about track limits, it made me realise that what I thought all along was correct, and takes a lot of the seriousness out of this thread.
I find the who deserves to be rammed section so ironic that it was actually impressive in a way.
I think this thread has absolutely peaked and will bring me a lot of laughs whenever I remember it. I think you may be doing this deliberately at this stage, if so, bravo.
As for the arrows, thank goodness to the inventor of steering wheels, it makes racing so much easier on a track like Interlagos, I thought you would know the value of this having apparently done so many more laps around there than the rest of us.
I don't see anyone saying the 100m board was the braking point.
Bigotry against the Welsh.
Have you ever raced online at Interlagos?
I understand you feel like looking at the limited cherry picked clips that were shared that it was Hamilton there, but I have the entire replay at my disposal.
But, have you ever raced there in sport mode?
It appears to me you are not familiar with the track!
I'm not too bad at Interlagos imo. There are quicker but thats always the case.
The last photo is the 911 post impact. Neither car has come near apex. The corner has a decreasing radius, the apex is further down.
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Fwiw the 911 deserved this after what he did to the Subaru before. (Smashed through in turn 1)
This was final lap, for the lead.
If you look, if 911 was in chase view, he’s mid turn before the Ferrari is in sight, and if he flashed a look back just prior to the corner he would see the Ferrari appearing to take a standard line...But, the 911 shoved his way past a Subaru before, I don’t know who was aware of that. Tbh if I were the Ferrari and the Subie driver let me know via chat, you bet I’d stuff that dirty 911.
There’s a lot to see in this sequence. The 911 never changed lines entering braking, as you can see.
The Ferrari went inside but wasn’t up right to track limits, with heavily worn tires he was drifting towards mid track unable to hold a tight line against the inside track limit.
The trouble with this is it’s a decreasing radius bend. It looks like you could drive a truck through there but the apex is much further down around the corner...
These photos are FAIR showing the different camera views and how in one view it looks like a great move but in others it looks like a bad one IN STILL PHOTOS.
:::shrug:::
May I please have my questions from the last page addressed? Thank you in advance.
OK. I can't be quiet.I’ve probably read ten thousand posts here complaining about people lunging up the inside of corners.
But, one of ours does it?
“Brilliant move man that idiot turned in on you”
It’s amusing
Have you ever raced online at Interlagos?
I understand you feel like looking at the limited cherry picked clips that were shared that it was Hamilton there, but I have the entire replay at my disposal.
But, have you ever raced there in sport mode?
It appears to me you are not familiar with the track!
I’ve probably read ten thousand posts here complaining about people lunging up the inside of corners.
But, one of ours does it?
“Brilliant move man that idiot turned in on you”
It’s amusing
I'm going to get into a crash and post that so we can all move on
Are you making the assumption that the Ferrari had no chance to make the corner and was going to fly out wide had there been no contact?
Watching the video again I do not see how this claim can be made. The Ferrari did so well on brakes that it was in fact going slower than the Porsche at the point of contact. Furthermore, the contact occurred on the inside of the corner. How can you claim that the Ferrari failed to hold the inside when there's nothing to support otherwise other than some arrows that you've drawn in the images?
The implication that a Ferrari 458 Italia GT3 would ever be understeering is probably the single funniest statement in this thread.Objective reality from the replay shows his car under steering and for several frames prior to impact
B-but...Ok fellas, let’s just let this one die. No one from either side is ever gonna change their minds at this point, so arguing about it isn’t gonna get us anywhere. Everyone is entitled to their opinion on the subject, making no one right or wrong in the end. This was a great debate, I look forward to the next one. Well argued by all.
Ok fellas, let’s just let this one die. No one from either side is ever gonna change their minds at this point, so arguing about it isn’t gonna get us anywhere. Everyone is entitled to their opinion on the subject, making no one right or wrong in the end. This was a great debate, I look forward to the next one. Well argued by all.
Very simple really, yet it seems to escape people. At the 100m board, you are in the process of getting ready to brake and turn in before the 50m board, you need to make your decision by this point to take a defensive line or not. Which is why all this focus on the action at or near the apex is kind of irrelevant, what matters is when the decisions were made by both drivers.Perhaps not in those exact words, but you sure do mention it a lot for a mark that means nothing. When you say “they are past the 100m mark, come on!” I guess I should ignore that.
that's the year i got married.. please don't mention it againAll other things aside, why do we have posts full of (randomly sorted) images photographed off a TV screen like it's 1996?
I believe this is a root of some of the disagreement. I can say with confidence based on my own experience that the Ferrari was going to make the corner even if there wasn't any contact. The driver pulled it up beautifully on braking. I also don't understand the idea that the Ferrari can't move up at all even when there's space. Personally, if I'm in that Ferrari I'm using all of the available space and moving off from the bottom prior to the corner to get a better arc in.With the replay I’m saying it’s HIGHLY debatable. Objective reality from the replay shows his car under steering and for several frames prior to impact the Ferrari is moving further from the inner track limit, which btw he’s a ways far from considering he’s making a “surprise” up the inside.
Anyways impact occurred as the Ferrari was moving away, but, it’s very very hard to tell, he’s still maybe 3/4 brake input. Fwiw the 911 has almost completely trailed off brake by that point, and he himself broke very very late, very near the 50 board.
Those don't surprise me. As you said the contact happened not very far into the corner itself and trail-braking is a big part of this track. As far as there being plenty of room to the left at impact, just because the Ferrari didn't run all of the way down there to avoid an incident doesn't make the overtaking maneuver dirty. They're not at the apex yet and they're still trying to maximize their entry arc. Additionally they might not have been anticipating the Porsche coming way down and slamming the door shut given that their move up the inside was pretty noticeable via. the rear view mirror and any radar technology the Porsche driver may have been looking at. This is why I called it a racing incident in my first post, nothing dirty just people getting caught off-guard.Simply by the location of his car. There’s plenty of room to his left, plus as I said above he’s 70 percent or more on brakes and under steering at the point of impact.