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@Groundfish why are you tagging me back in to this? I left? But since you did, some brief thoughts, not that anyone cares, its all just opinions mixed with trashy photos and a few hard truths at this stage.

Fwiw, pictures are from wrong angle and wrong time. They also fail to show speed. Many people have explained this better than I could.

Kermits extensive post explains ten times over why its clean.

I was highly amused to read the line about track limits, it made me realise that what I thought all along was correct, and takes a lot of the seriousness out of this thread.

I find the who deserves to be rammed section so ironic that it was actually impressive in a way.

I think this thread has absolutely peaked and will bring me a lot of laughs whenever I remember it. I think you may be doing this deliberately at this stage, if so, bravo.

As for the arrows, thank goodness to the inventor of steering wheels, it makes racing so much easier on a track like Interlagos, I thought you would know the value of this having apparently done so many more laps around there than the rest of us.
 
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@Groundfish why are you tagging me back in to this? I left? But since you did, some brief thoughts, not that anyone cares, its all just opinions mixed with trashy photos and a few hard truths at this stage.

Fwiw, pictures are from wrong angle and wrong time. They also fail to show speed. Many people have explained this better than I could.

Kermits extensive post explains ten times over why its clean.

I was highly amused to read the line about track limits, it made me realise that what I thought all along was correct, and takes a lot of the seriousness out of this thread.

I find the who deserves to be rammed section so ironic that it was actually impressive in a way.

I think this thread has absolutely peaked and will bring me a lot of laughs whenever I remember it. I think you may be doing this deliberately at this stage, if so, bravo.

As for the arrows, thank goodness to the inventor of steering wheels, it makes racing so much easier on a track like Interlagos, I thought you would know the value of this having apparently done so many more laps around there than the rest of us.


Have you ever raced online at Interlagos?
I understand you feel like looking at the limited cherry picked clips that were shared that it was Hamilton there, but I have the entire replay at my disposal.
But, have you ever raced there in sport mode?
It appears to me you are not familiar with the track!
I’ve probably read ten thousand posts here complaining about people lunging up the inside of corners.
But, one of ours does it?
“Brilliant move man that idiot turned in on you”
It’s amusing
 
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I don't see anyone saying the 100m board was the braking point.

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Have you ever raced online at Interlagos?
I understand you feel like looking at the limited cherry picked clips that were shared that it was Hamilton there, but I have the entire replay at my disposal.
But, have you ever raced there in sport mode?
It appears to me you are not familiar with the track!

I'm not too bad at Interlagos imo. There are quicker but thats always the case.
 
The last photo is the 911 post impact. Neither car has come near apex. The corner has a decreasing radius, the apex is further down.
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Fwiw the 911 deserved this after what he did to the Subaru before. (Smashed through in turn 1)
This was final lap, for the lead.

If you look, if 911 was in chase view, he’s mid turn before the Ferrari is in sight, and if he flashed a look back just prior to the corner he would see the Ferrari appearing to take a standard line...But, the 911 shoved his way past a Subaru before, I don’t know who was aware of that. Tbh if I were the Ferrari and the Subie driver let me know via chat, you bet I’d stuff that dirty 911.
There’s a lot to see in this sequence. The 911 never changed lines entering braking, as you can see.
The Ferrari went inside but wasn’t up right to track limits, with heavily worn tires he was drifting towards mid track unable to hold a tight line against the inside track limit.
The trouble with this is it’s a decreasing radius bend. It looks like you could drive a truck through there but the apex is much further down around the corner...
These photos are FAIR showing the different camera views and how in one view it looks like a great move but in others it looks like a bad one IN STILL PHOTOS.
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BOOM! Those pics prove the Porsche drove into the Ferrari. Case closed. What’s next on the docket?
 
I’ve probably read ten thousand posts here complaining about people lunging up the inside of corners.
But, one of ours does it?
“Brilliant move man that idiot turned in on you”
It’s amusing
OK. I can't be quiet.

So, you can not see the difference between someone diving up the inside in a speed that ensures he can't make the corner, ramming into the car and making the corner by doing so, while ruining the other person's race and this???
What's amusing is that you defend to the extreme the viewpoint you came with and no amount of evidence can compell you to change your mind.
You use all the classic debate tricks including moving goal posts and crying victim but you will not listen to anyone else. You ignore every single shred of evidence and even tries to use the evidence that the move was legit to prove it wasn't.
Now, you have access to all the replay you stated. So look at it with the cinematic camera and it proves you wrong, without a shadow of doubt.
 
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Have you ever raced online at Interlagos?
I understand you feel like looking at the limited cherry picked clips that were shared that it was Hamilton there, but I have the entire replay at my disposal.
But, have you ever raced there in sport mode?
It appears to me you are not familiar with the track!
I’ve probably read ten thousand posts here complaining about people lunging up the inside of corners.
But, one of ours does it?
“Brilliant move man that idiot turned in on you”
It’s amusing
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Are you joking?

 
This was from a 60k DR FIA lobby Wednesday night. He was close enough for a move, but he didn’t have overlap before braking or turn-in and outbraked himself. I’m not saying it was dirty, not at all, but I saw it coming and did the right thing. I could’ve turned in on him and gotten mad about it, but that would’ve been silly. This is good racing.

 
Are you making the assumption that the Ferrari had no chance to make the corner and was going to fly out wide had there been no contact?

With the replay I’m saying it’s HIGHLY debatable. Objective reality from the replay shows his car under steering and for several frames prior to impact the Ferrari is moving further from the inner track limit, which btw he’s a ways far from considering he’s making a “surprise” up the inside.
Anyways impact occurred as the Ferrari was moving away, but, it’s very very hard to tell, he’s still maybe 3/4 brake input. Fwiw the 911 has almost completely trailed off brake by that point, and he himself broke very very late, very near the 50 board.

Watching the video again I do not see how this claim can be made. The Ferrari did so well on brakes that it was in fact going slower than the Porsche at the point of contact. Furthermore, the contact occurred on the inside of the corner. How can you claim that the Ferrari failed to hold the inside when there's nothing to support otherwise other than some arrows that you've drawn in the images?

Simply by the location of his car. There’s plenty of room to his left, plus as I said above he’s 70 percent or more on brakes and under steering at the point of impact.

Also @Philtaylor17, my apologies, didn’t realize you had driven there before.
 
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I remember a few pages back somebody saying that this was just their opinion and if they were wrong they’d gladly eat crow. Well, now there’s like 20 people, many of whom are high level GTS players, some real life racers, one admin, and many life long racing fans telling him he’s wrong about it....yet no crows have been eaten. Imagine that.
 
Ok fellas, let’s just let this one die. No one from either side is ever gonna change their minds at this point, so arguing about it isn’t gonna get us anywhere. Everyone is entitled to their opinion on the subject, making no one right or wrong in the end. This was a great debate, I look forward to the next one. Well argued by all. :cheers:
 
Ok fellas, let’s just let this one die. No one from either side is ever gonna change their minds at this point, so arguing about it isn’t gonna get us anywhere. Everyone is entitled to their opinion on the subject, making no one right or wrong in the end. This was a great debate, I look forward to the next one. Well argued by all. :cheers:
B-but...

Eleven pages...
 
Ok fellas, let’s just let this one die. No one from either side is ever gonna change their minds at this point, so arguing about it isn’t gonna get us anywhere. Everyone is entitled to their opinion on the subject, making no one right or wrong in the end. This was a great debate, I look forward to the next one. Well argued by all. :cheers:

In all fairness theres only 1 person keeping this thread going.
 
Perhaps not in those exact words, but you sure do mention it a lot for a mark that means nothing. When you say “they are past the 100m mark, come on!” I guess I should ignore that.
Very simple really, yet it seems to escape people. At the 100m board, you are in the process of getting ready to brake and turn in before the 50m board, you need to make your decision by this point to take a defensive line or not. Which is why all this focus on the action at or near the apex is kind of irrelevant, what matters is when the decisions were made by both drivers.

If you're behind me, as in well behind me like in the video, past the 100m board, I am taking the racing line because the only way you can take the corner is to basically park yourself at well below racing speed if you even happen to make the apex, which most often folks don't bombing into T1.

Again, what matters is consequence, in this game or in real life, you lunge from that far back into a corner that drops way hard left then swings right, you are going to get contact more often than not. I tis the responsibility of the lead driver to leave space by taking a wide if the following driver is legitimately contesting the corner and at the decision making point this corner is not contested.
 
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With the replay I’m saying it’s HIGHLY debatable. Objective reality from the replay shows his car under steering and for several frames prior to impact the Ferrari is moving further from the inner track limit, which btw he’s a ways far from considering he’s making a “surprise” up the inside.
Anyways impact occurred as the Ferrari was moving away, but, it’s very very hard to tell, he’s still maybe 3/4 brake input. Fwiw the 911 has almost completely trailed off brake by that point, and he himself broke very very late, very near the 50 board.
I believe this is a root of some of the disagreement. I can say with confidence based on my own experience that the Ferrari was going to make the corner even if there wasn't any contact. The driver pulled it up beautifully on braking. I also don't understand the idea that the Ferrari can't move up at all even when there's space. Personally, if I'm in that Ferrari I'm using all of the available space and moving off from the bottom prior to the corner to get a better arc in.

Simply by the location of his car. There’s plenty of room to his left, plus as I said above he’s 70 percent or more on brakes and under steering at the point of impact.
Those don't surprise me. As you said the contact happened not very far into the corner itself and trail-braking is a big part of this track. As far as there being plenty of room to the left at impact, just because the Ferrari didn't run all of the way down there to avoid an incident doesn't make the overtaking maneuver dirty. They're not at the apex yet and they're still trying to maximize their entry arc. Additionally they might not have been anticipating the Porsche coming way down and slamming the door shut given that their move up the inside was pretty noticeable via. the rear view mirror and any radar technology the Porsche driver may have been looking at. This is why I called it a racing incident in my first post, nothing dirty just people getting caught off-guard.
 
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