VS Racing Series - Series will resume once GT6 arrives!

[flimbo84]

Is there room for me in this tonight? It looks well organised

 

[Jawehawk]

Is there room for me in this tonight? It looks well organised

It is well organized.

I'm sorry, but it's too late to join this particular VS event. You'll have to wait until the Gallardo VS F430 races have ended. You can sign up for the next VS event, once I've decided on our next rival cars.

Hope to see you in the next VS series.

 

[flimbo84]

Wow, you must have loads of interest to turn people away?!

 

[Jawehawk]

Wow, you must have loads of interest to turn people away?!

What?

One of the goals of the event (besides having fun of course), is to decide on the best car and drivers. This is done by giving points based on race results. If I let people join whenever, then the scoring gets messed up.

 

[tacom08]

I'm in. Add me on PSN I'm tacom08

 

[Jawehawk]

I'm in. Add me on PSN I'm tacom08

Allow me to copy/paste what I just told Flimbo.

"I'm sorry, but it's too late to join this particular VS event. You'll have to wait until the Gallardo VS F430 races have ended. You can sign up for the next VS event, once I've decided on our next rival cars.

Hope to see you in the next VS series. "

Also, why aren't people reading the entire OP! It clearly states that you have to attend at least one practice session before joining, thus meaning that you CAN'T SIGN UP ON RACE DAY!

 

[m8h3r]

Allow me to copy/paste what I just told Flimbo.

"I'm sorry, but it's too late to join this particular VS event. You'll have to wait until the Gallardo VS F430 races have ended. You can sign up for the next VS event, once I've decided on our next rival cars.

Hope to see you in the next VS series. "

Just to reiterate your point. Let me give an example. Back when that championship went down to Mattie Vs Me in a shoot off race. We both had two firsts and a second each. The first race Mattie came 3rd, with MSTER coming between us. MSTER missed the middle two races. He then came back into the Nurburgring race and came second again. Splitting me and Mattie again. Had MSTER not been in the first race then Mattie would have won clean. Had he not been in the last race I would have won clean. Long story short even without realising you can change the outcome of the whole tournament

 

[Jawehawk]

Thank you M8h3r. 👍

 

[MSTER232]

Hopefully Andy will have the sense to choose some interesting rivals .

Just to reiterate your point. Let me give an example. Back when that championship went down to Mattie Vs Me in a shoot off race. We both had two firsts and a second each. The first race Mattie came 3rd, with MSTER coming between us. MSTER missed the middle two races. He then came back into the Nurburgring race and came second again. Splitting me and Mattie again. Had MSTER not been in the first race then Mattie would have won clean. Had he not been in the last race I would have won clean. Long story short even without realising you can change the outcome of the whole tournament

www.confused.com

 

[Dragonwar233]

So can I still race today? BTW you can just ignore that guys position so lets says I win, you can instead give whoever comes second the amount of points for winning. Then I wouldn't influence the points battle.

 

[Jawehawk]

So can I still race today? BTW you can just ignore that guys position so lets says I win, you can instead give whoever comes second the amount of points for winning. Then I wouldn't influence the points battle.

I've made an exception with you solely because I know you're a clean and good racer. That's the one reason that I'm allowing you to race with us tonight. As mentioned yesterday, your position at the end of the race, will not factor in at scoring.

 

[Jawehawk]

And the event is up and running! 1 hour 'til race start. Warm up starts now.

Room number is 1472-6399-8880-6894-9386.

An excellent race has ended. Here are the results.
Technically, ADR_Bronco won the race by about 1 minute, and thirty seconds. Though as already stated, his placement will not be taken into account in scoring. Regardless, ADR_Bronco did a great run. Well done.

Race results:
1st. Andy-Macnab - Gallardo
2nd. MattieM – Ferrari F430 + 38.000
3rd. M8h3r – Ferrari F430 + 53.000
4th. Jik_Fin – Gallardo + 54.000
5th. MSTER – F430 + ?
6th. Johnwells69 – Gallardo + ?
7th. Allykh - F430 + DQ
8th. GTP_Lapi - F430 + DQ

Had a great race, though not without its accident. Jik_Fin and I were battleing it out the first two lap, until I accidently crashed into him halfway through the 2nd lap. We were forced to pit, and were left at the back of the grid. Somehow, over the next many laps, we both managed to get back into a good grid position. Though Jik_Fin managed to do so much faster than I.

Regardless, a good pit strategy, left me overtaking Mattie in the pits, as I only needed 21L, to complete the rest of the race (though I gave it 25L, just in case.). From here on out, I pretty much battled constantly with MSTER and Jik_Fin. I did a pit stop at the 3rd or 4th last lap (though I didn't know how many laps were left), as Jik_Fin seemed to be low on tire. My thinking was that I would be more than capable of gaining back the time lost in the pits, with a fresh set of tires. Where as Jik_Fin would loose time with every single lap. The thinking paid off, with me being right behind Jik_Fin on the last lap, after Arnage. He then slowed down to a crawl, for reasons unknown to me at the time. I figured he was letting me pass as he didn't have any tire left. Later, we'd find out he had run out of fuel.

After that, it was a pleasure cruise to the fininsh line. This was certainly not how I had imagined the race would end, espicially not after the start. But none the less, I'm quite happy with the results.


Well done to all who participated. Was a great race.

 

[MSTER232]

I will update the spreadsheet in a little bit Andy, hold on...

EDIT: Spreadsheet updated!

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Ao4-KiYtEa2odEZRQ0MxM2ZGUnZWYUF1bGN1YlRveEE

 

[m8h3r]

Oh no!! I just realised. If we ignore ADR's results then the Lamborghini has won 2 races.

Anyway Well Done ADR and also Jawehawk 👍

 

[MSTER232]

Oh no!! I just realised. If we ignore ADR's results then the Lamborghini has won 2 races.

Anyway Well Done ADR and also Jawehawk 👍

Don't worry, Lamborgini is only leading by 7 points.

 

[MattieM]

This was a fun race, with lots of up and downs though. The start went good, but got overtaken a lot by people drafting in the straights in the first lap. I don't know which lap it exactly was, but i passed Andy and Jik who seemed to be crashed. Then disaster strikes, the 🤬 lag came back. I was 4 secs away from ADR and MSTER and had m8h3r about the same amount behind me. So i wasn't really bothering others with my lag i hope. As the night was pulling away, so was my lag and caught up with MSTER. The next laps we had a great battle, we had a great time trying to outbrake eachother at chicane entry. But this is were i eventually made a mistake and beached myself at the porsche curves. I decided from that point onwards not to overtake people at that point. The next few laps i managed to caught up with MSTER, who made a mistake at Indianapolis. While being happy overtaking him, i totally forgot my braking point and crashed pretty hard at Arnage, damaging my car. I tried a full lap with the damage (the small red dots, not the large circles) but it was no good. With 6 laps to go i pitted and accepted my 5th place. In last lap however i passed MSTER and Jik, both were running low on fuel. At that time i was driving with one red stripe left too, but it was enough to reach the finish line.

Congrats to Andy and ADR, well done!

 

[MSTER232]

This was a fun race, with lots of up and downs though. The start went good, but got overtaken a lot by people drafting in the straights in the first lap. I don't know which lap it exactly was, but i passed Andy and Jik who seemed to be crashed. Then disaster strikes, the 🤬 lag came back.

*SNIP*

With 6 laps to go i pitted and accepted my 5th place. In last lap however i passed MSTER and Jik, both were running low on fuel. At that time i was driving with one red stripe left too, but it was enough to reach the finish line.

Congrats to Andy and ADR, well done!

You lucky 🤬 !

 

[m8h3r]

You lucky 🤬 !

Mine went red literally as I passed you. Lucky to get past Jik me thinks

 

[Jawehawk]

Sadly, Lapi has had to withdraw from the race, as he weren't able to join us yesterday, nor will he be able to join us in the next race.

On another note. My original plan on how to declare the winning car, was simply to look at the car that the winning driver was using. However, I see you have taken a different approach with the spreadsheet, MSTER. In fact, I rather like the approach. Though there is 1 problem with it. It relies on an equal number of each car.

If cars drop out in the race, that's fair game, as it will just be written as a failure to complete. However, if we only had 3 Gallardo's VS 5 F430's before the VS event had started, it would be unfair, as the F430's would have more cars to score points with. This problem is very much evident in our current event, as the only reason the number of F430's have been on an equal level with the Gallardo, have been people getting disconnected.

I could of course balance it out by making sure we had an equal number before the event officially starts. I'd like you all to give your input.

Should the winning car be the car driven by the driver with most points? Or should we declare a winning car from the total number of points aqquired by said car, throughout the different races?

 

[jikfin]

Good luck Andy! You drove very well after a crash, and the final round victory.

I can not believe I ran out of fuel again, I'm trying to cope with disappointment. Life goes on.

For some reason, I had totally lost the early rounds, due to the darkness. Partly for this reason, Andy hit me, because I brake a little earlier than usual.

Otherwise, the race went ok. The two times I went on the sand, once I hit the wall when the car broke down and hit my mind.

I probably would have been able to keep Andy from behind me in the final round even if the fuel would be enough. Tires were finished, and Andy reached me very quickly.

Good luck to all, everyone completed the race! And ADR, you were very fast!

 

[jikfin]

Mine went red literally as I passed you. Lucky to get past Jik me thinks

It was painful to drive 80 km / h and see how M8h3r ignore me finish line.

 

[jikfin]

Sadly, Lapi has had to withdraw from the race, as he weren't able to join us yesterday, nor will he be able to join us in the next race.

On another note. My original plan on how to declare the winning car, was simply to look at the car that the winning driver was using. However, I see you have taken a different approach with the spreadsheet, MSTER. In fact, I rather like the approach. Though there is 1 problem with it. It relies on an equal number of each car.

If cars drop out in the race, that's fair game, as it will just be written as a failure to complete. However, if we only had 3 Gallardo's VS 5 F430's before the VS event had started, it would be unfair, as the F430's would have more cars to score points with. This problem is very much evident in our current event, as the only reason the number of F430's have been on an equal level with the Gallardo, have been people getting disconnected.

I could of course balance it out by making sure we had an equal number before the event officially starts. I'd like you all to give your input.

Should the winning car be the car driven by the driver with most points? Or should we declare a winning car from the total number of points aqquired by said car, throughout the different races?

Would it be good to calculate how much is the average score? And count only the cars crossed the finish line. For example.

First race:
Gallardo: 31 points, an average of 10.33 points as the three cars completed the race.
F430: 22 points, an average of 11 points as the two cars completed the race.

The second competition:
Gallardo: 29 points, an average of 9.66 points.
F430: 31 points, an average of 10.33 points.

Average of all races now:
Gallardo: 10 points on average
F430: 10.66 points on average

 

[Dragonwar233]

You could equalize it by only counting the cars that finished best, lets say 5 Ferraris and 3 Lambos are in a race, You would only count the top 3 finishing Ferraris, the other 2 Ferraris would not acquire any points for the manufacturer.

 

[Jawehawk]

I don't really see the idea in taking the average score of the different car models, as the different number of cars, will result in a score that says little about the overall performance of the cars in the race.

Only taking the top contestants into account is definately an option.

 

[MSTER232]

Sadly, Lapi has had to withdraw from the race, as he weren't able to join us yesterday, nor will he be able to join us in the next race.

On another note. My original plan on how to declare the winning car, was simply to look at the car that the winning driver was using. However, I see you have taken a different approach with the spreadsheet, MSTER. In fact, I rather like the approach. Though there is 1 problem with it. It relies on an equal number of each car.

If cars drop out in the race, that's fair game, as it will just be written as a failure to complete. However, if we only had 3 Gallardo's VS 5 F430's before the VS event had started, it would be unfair, as the F430's would have more cars to score points with. This problem is very much evident in our current event, as the only reason the number of F430's have been on an equal level with the Gallardo, have been people getting disconnected.

I could of course balance it out by making sure we had an equal number before the event officially starts. I'd like you all to give your input.

Should the winning car be the car driven by the driver with most points? Or should we declare a winning car from the total number of points aqquired by said car, throughout the different races?

Yes, the spreadsheet will be biased if the number of cars by one manufactuer is greater than the other. But surely there must a way around this problem, right?

I don't really see the idea in taking the average score of the different car models, as the different number of cars, will result in a score that says little about the overall performance of the cars in the race.


Only taking the top contestants into account is definately an option.

Actually, averages could remove the biased amount of cars in the race. If the Lamborgini was going to win all three races in a row, then on average it will have a higher score than the Ferrari for example. And having an average points system means that it shouldn't really matter how many cars are taking part or if one manufactuer has more car participating than the other.

What I can do is add another pie chart to the spreadsheet, but this time it's based on the average score, not the total points scored. We can use that graph to determine which is the better car based on points.

You could equalize it by only counting the cars that finished best, lets say 5 Ferraris and 3 Lambos are in a race, You would only count the top 3 finishing Ferraris, the other 2 Ferraris would not acquire any points for the manufacturer.

I'm not sure if that would work or not, because it would mean a lot of complex programming for the spreadsheet.

EDIT: The spreadsheet has been updated. A pie chart showing the average scores of the two manufactuers has been added. So far, Lamborgini has 20 points on average, and Ferrari has 10.6 which is not surprising considering the fact that a Lamborgini has crossed the line first in every race in this series.

 

[John Wells]

Well the race for me was not my best, bad start, it was dark and I couldn't see (old eyes) my lines. I just had to watch all your tail lights disapper into the darkness.
I only start to get better when it got light. My best lap being 4.28, once I got into it.

Was good race even though.

Good win for ADR.

 

[Jawehawk]

The spreadsheet has been updated. A pie chart showing the average scores of the two manufactuers has been added. So far, Lamborgini has 20 points on average, and Ferrari has 10.6 which is not surprising considering the fact that a Lamborgini has crossed the line first in every race in this series.[/COLOR]

I think you made a mistake somewhere. You have calculated the average score of the Gallardo for each race, and then put the two results together. For the F430, however, you only seem to have calculated the average for our last race. Thus the big difference.

Here is the average for each car model thus far.
The first race, the Gallardo's average score is 11, and for the 2nd race, it's 9.66. Put the two numbers together, and we have 20.66.

The F430 has an average score of 11 in the first race too, and 10.33 in the 2nd race. This then results in a total average score of 21.33.

This doesn't seem quite right to me. It doesn't really show the differences in the cars performance. The fact that the averages is the same for both car models in the 1st race, shows that this is not a good way to find the winning car model.

 

[Dragonwar233]

I think you made a mistake somewhere. You have calculated the average score of the Gallardo for each race, and then put the two results together. For the F430, however, you only seem to have calculated the average for our last race. Thus the big difference.

Here is the average for each car model thus far.
The first race, the Gallardo's average score is 11, and for the 2nd race, it's 9.66. Put the two numbers together, and we have 20.66.

The F430 has an average score of 11 in the first race too, and 10.33 in the 2nd race. This then results in a total average score of 21.33.

This doesn't seem quite right to me. It doesn't really show the differences in the cars performance. The fact that the averages is the same for both car models in the 1st race, shows that this is not a good way to find the winning car model.

Yeah I like my idea better lol. Anyway hope you make another vs series after this Andy with stock cars, a good time for me would be on Saturday at the moment, but I never know.

 

[Jawehawk]

Yeah I like my idea better lol. Anyway hope you make another vs series after this Andy with stock cars, a good time for me would be on Saturday at the moment, but I never know.

I can pretty much guaranty that I will keep hosting these events. I wouldn't have spend 2 hours creating this thread, plus the time it took to plan and test for it, if I didn't intend to use it further. Though my time will be cut down severely as of next month, as my time in the army begins.

 

[m8h3r]

I can pretty much guaranty that I will keep hosting these events. I wouldn't have spend 2 hours creating this thread, plus the time it took to plan and test for it, if I didn't intend to use it further. Though my time will be cut down severely as of next month, as my time in the army begins.

Good, regardless of my position I always enjoy your races, well except when you do rally