Wallbanger's 1st annual million credit FF Summer Shootout!(6/19/11 final 7/17/11)

CSLACR
I think if this were on R1's the FTO would have had a shot at the Integra's, and possibly a C-30R with low weight, seems to be potent.
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Because the Volvo has bags of torque, it cant reach the same PWR as the Integra's. Loading on the weight ended up being the fastest option so yeah. It's pretty held down in that respect. At least it's the only Volvo, I'm different. :lol:

Edit: At Onboy, oi. It's a shootout not a rant at tuners. :(
 
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Onboy123
:) It's not final, it was done on separate days, so I'll give it another run now, ok?
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As long as you give everyones tunes equal wheel time keep rerunning them till the 16th or whenever we have full results from all the drivers.👍👍

brave bear
this wait is killing me, arrrrrggggg. good work so far everyone who came out tuners and drivers alike. my psn is iklatun dont forget to add me those drivers who haven't as yet. i think i have only gotten 2 maybe 3 FR pertaining to the shootout. drive my tiger. rawr!!!
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So you got your PS3 back BB? If so great to hear. Expect an FR from me soon.
 
Just a quick question...how has everyone found the Trial Celica's compared to the Integra's? The Trial is ready tuned partially so I wanted to know how they would match up to the modified Integra's.
 
So you got your PS3 back BB? If so great to hear. Expect an FR from me soon.[/QUOTE]

not as yet, i just have great friends. the technician told me pick it up tomorrow morning so i have my fingers crossed. now i just have to figure out how to go about deactivating those ps3s i have used recently, sigh.
 
i find the trial celica to be faster than the integra at 450pp on ss tires. i cant remember the trial celica's specs but the spoon integra at 450pp was roughly the same weight as the ncd integra but had an additional 30+ hp
 
Onboy123
Right, updated my review, be warned, it's very big. Proceed at your own risk.
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Thanks for the review Onboy123, yes i've tried to set the LSD for a G27 pedal, it's easy to control the spin and not loose traction. With DS3 i think some tap tap tap on X button resolve. I don't like to resolve this, killing totaly the accel... Any excessive help from any kind (mechanical or electronical) is not the objective of any GTplayer.
This week end i've tuned the RM version with racing tires... This is much more pleasure to drive, very good car.
Have a good day.
 
The FTO was very difficult to tune because of WAY too much understeer and loads of front wheelspin (Maybe I should have went with my 1st idea instead!)
 
Right……up next tomorrow:
Brave bear's Integra Type R
AssassinTuner's Civic Type R
Acan's Civic Type R
 
zero_speed
My suggestion would be instead just ban certain cars, or no duplicates. We learned an important lesson, FF on SS @ 500pp is too high for the majority of them. I seriously think 450pp is perfect for FF cars. Banning use of ballast/limiter isn't the best way to go if your looking to promote better variety. I would do this:

1. If the contest is FF cars: No tuners, concepts, race/rally or integras of any type period. 450PP limit, SS tires and a weight restriction possibly no less than 1200kg.

2. If the contest is RWD cars: No tuners, concepts, race/rally or the NSX, RX-7, RX-8, S2000 of any type. 500pp limit SS tires and no less than 1200kg.

Sorry for the long post, hope I made myself clear.
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That all fine and good, but that comes down to whoever can drive better. Not tune better. I agree with the no tuner cars tho. The one that I played with is ridiculous. And I've literally only ran three laps.
 
sins1er
That all fine and good, but that comes down to whoever can drive better. Not tune better. I agree with the no tuner cars tho. The one that I played with is ridiculous. And I've literally only ran three laps.
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Those were examples of what he could do to promote a better variety of cars. Those cars I mentioned were cars that are very fast in PP limited racing and extremely common.
 
zero_speed
Those were examples of what he could do to promote a better variety of cars. Those cars I mentioned were cars that are very fast in PP limited racing and extremely common.
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I totally understand your point, and to a degree, I agree with u. That type of regulation definately works in real life. Seeing this is a game however, (even a realistic one) making the cars too close together in specs will result in the winner being in the hands of whoever is better at the game. Just my two cents. There has to be room for error, ie. Using too much power, or a car being too heavy, or the suspension just sucking. When you start to eliminate too many variables, the chances of people effing up a car become greatly reduced.
Having more than one way to skin a cat is the way to go. The premade tuner cars are an unfair advantage tho. Well, scratch that, it's a way to circumvent this exercise. The tuners job is to tune these vehicles. 3/4 of the work is already done with say a spoon type R or the trial celica.
 
sins1er
I totally understand your point, and to a degree, I agree with u. That type of regulation definately works in real life. Seeing this is a game however, (even a realistic one) making the cars too close together in specs will result in the winner being in the hands of whoever is better at the game. Just my two cents. There has to be room for error, ie. Using too much power, or a car being too heavy, or the suspension just sucking. When you start to eliminate too many variables, the chances of people effing up a car become greatly reduced.
Having more than one way to skin a cat is the way to go. The premade tuner cars are an unfair advantage tho. Well, scratch that, it's a way to circumvent this exercise. The tuners job is to tune these vehicles. 3/4 of the work is already done with say a spoon type R or the trial celica.
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We are on the same page really lol. Tuner cars have their place but not in something like this.
 
zero_speed
My suggestion would be instead just ban certain cars, or no duplicates. We learned an important lesson, FF on SS @ 500pp is too high for the majority of them. I seriously think 450pp is perfect for FF cars. Banning use of ballast/limiter isn't the best way to go if your looking to promote better variety. I would do this:
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Erm... No, it really isn't too high for "the majority of them". Sure, there's a lot of FFs that can't hit 500PP but there's a lot that can as well.

zero_speed
1. If the contest is FF cars: No tuners, concepts, race/rally or integras of any type period. 450PP limit, SS tires and a weight restriction possibly no less than 1200kg.
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What, exactly, makes you think the Integra is so broken?

My fully tuned C30 runs right with fully modded RM Integras despite being way down on PWR. The DC2s are a joke next to the DC5 in terms of grip as well.

1200kg weight restriction? Given most of the "hot" FWDs don't come STOCK weighing that much it's ludicrous. In fact I can think of a ton that can't even hit that with max ballast. It sounds like you're trying to get less variety rather than more.

zero_speed
2. If the contest is RWD cars: No tuners, concepts, race/rally or the NSX, RX-7, RX-8, S2000 of any type. 500pp limit SS tires and no less than 1200kg.
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Again, what's with the bans?

FC RX-7 is slow. Early FD is slow. Early NSX is slow. S2000 is slow in general. RX-8 is slightly slower than the late FD and a good bit slower than the NSX-R. The Evora runs right with the NSX but is harder to drive. In fact, what gets left over? Not a whole hell of a lot. The Nissans, American and European stuff, etc.

550PP is perfectly fine on S3s (I used to run 535/S3), and even 600PP is not unmanageable.
 
I think the lower pp or power you got the better the Integra will do, because it doesn't spin to much at lower pp's, which would take the advantage of so much grip away from the Focus and C-30R.
 
CSLACR
probably even better at 420PP ;)
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The lower down the PP limit the more a track comes into play. At 420 PP on a very twisty track without a longer straight my Daihatsu Cuore TR-XX will run rings around most cars because of its ability to corner at insane speeds.

Even at higher PP levels the track plays a part. If this event was on say the Daytona oval where only minimal emphasis is placed on cornering and top speed is more important you'd probably have a different grouping of top cars.

Part of the reason we chose GVS was to try and get a balance between cornering and speed, and in that regard I think it was a fairly good choice.
 
zero_speed
@Rotary: Examples pay attention please, I have explained myself 3 times already lol.
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Sense some make please I have myself explained 9001 times ready all.

Seriously, wat.

Edit: @sins1er: Try a Spoon Civic and say it's legitimately better than the normal EK Civic Type R. It's not. Some of the tuner cars actually need more tuning work to get a good result than the normal road cars.
 

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