Week 15: ... Gathers A Crowd.

[Casio]

I just real my first real sit in at this challenge. Got the following

T1: 40.494
T2: 1'09.858
----

T1 32.731
T2: 1'02.902 (I have seen a 1'02.2xx, but I thought it would be fun to see how the car handles in the sand trap on the last corner....)

The good thing is I have cut 3 seconds off my total time since my last short go at it. I think another second and I'll be happy.

Also, I'm still using 210 gears on the principle that someone told me that I was insane to do it. I can't remember who it was, but it's my personal goal to beat you.

I still don't like the car. It's lacking something, it fills so lifeless and inane...

 

[MisterWeary]

New splits, only marginally better...maybe it's time for some strategy tweaking

Lap #1
T1: 0'40.912
T2: 1'10.442

Lap #2
T1: 0'33.152
T2: 1'02.832

 

[angelx]

I just real my first real sit in at this challenge. Got the following

T1: 40.494
T2: 1'09.858
----

T1 32.731
T2: 1'02.902 (I have seen a 1'02.2xx, but I thought it would be fun to see how the car handles in the sand trap on the last corner....)

The good thing is I have cut 3 seconds off my total time since my last short go at it. I think another second and I'll be happy.

Also, I'm still using 210 gears on the principle that someone told me that I was insane to do it. I can't remember who it was, but it's my personal goal to beat you.

I still don't like the car. It's lacking something, it fills so lifeless and inane...

I am undecided as to whether 210 or 220 is better. IMO 210 gearing gives you better speed when exiting corners in third gear however i can never go through the sweeping left after the second hairpin at 80 mph like i can with the gearing set to 220. i feel most comfortable using 210 though . here are my splits using 210 gearing :

Lap 1
T1: 0'40.519
T2: 1'09.908

Lap 2
T1: 0'32.487
T2: 1'01.803

 

[Androoos]

Well, got my DFP yesterday (Fed-Ex Ground (free) shipping took 1 DAY to Virginia from Buy.com!).

I figured I would take it easy and try this week's combo for my first DFP experience. A fairly slow, well-handling car on a tricky, but not entirely difficult track. As it was loading up, my senses finally came to me.

SCREW THIS! Give me a Sauber C9 at the Nurburgring! I puss-footed around for the first lap to get the feel of the wheel (I love the 900 degree steering!) but then my second lap, I dropped the hammer, managed a 5:09.XXX lap (my best ever was 5:06 in the R8, which isn't all that good, but hey, I was only 3 seconds off it!). It is so much easier to drive on the 'Ring with the DFP, it's easier to keep a consistent line, easier to trail-brake into corners, and easier to turn the car in the tight corners. I am in love.

I also rediscovered LeMans I and II...way more fun with the wheel. And Sears Point...and Laguna Seca...and and and and...

Oh yeah, Puck, it looks like Spoon corner is going to become my nemesis once again! I was braking too late every lap and going into the gravel. But OMG the F1 car with the wheel is

Anyway, I did come back to trying out the DFP with this week's combo. I might have to go back to the DS2 for this one until I get a little more comfortable with the wheel. I was routinely 2 seconds off my fastest laps with the DFP at first. I whittled it down to 1 second, then 0.5 seconds, but quit soon after that. I'll get it eventually, but probably not in time for the deadline. I think the biggest difference is the switch between the ALL-GAS or ALL-BRAKE to the modulated throttle and brake. It's certainly smoother driving though.

I was going to post some splits that I ran with the DS2 before the DFP arrived yesterday but I forgot to write them down. Will get to them this afternoon. All I remember is I finally saw a 1:01.8XX for T2 of Lap 2 and I was happy. 👍

 

[fasj6418]

Here is what i'm talkin about

"QUOTE"
hi,

here is a complete run down of the optimum way to do this particular combo:

-set car to 220km top speed, set AI to -10 and put the ****ers on RSH tires
-draft the 5th car down the straight, pass him and brake really late, down to second, and pass the 4th car on the outside as u exit the 1st corner
-stay on the outside and squeeze through (literally) the 3rd place car, by putting two wheels on the grass
-still in third, go around the 2nd placed car as u use half throttle 4 the right
-change to 4th as u make ur way as far right as u can 4 the next left, turn in using halfish throttle and pass the 1st placed car b4 u reach the chickane
-take the chickane as full throttled as u can, depending on how early u passed the 1st car.

AI is passed

-cross the T1 line (40.2xx-40.4xx)
"END QUOTE"

More or less the same as.......

"QUOTE"
Speed limit set to 220
AI set to -10/RSH tyres

Draft 5th/4th down S/F straight and outbrake 4th INTO 1st corner, exit wide and overtake 3rd JUST after apex of 1st corner, same move out of 2nd corner to pass 2nd place, pass 1st place between 1st left and R/L chicane!

Only braking for the first corner, some slight lift-off to get correct line thro' 1st left but BTTW for the rest of it till the right before the overpass----------- 40.xxx first sector!
"END QUOTE"

Pretty much the same HUH?

Quote 1 was from Holl01 at 7.37am GMT+1 21st july
Quote 2 was from ME---- at 2.02PM GMT+1 20th july


Guess who got the praise for a good strategy?

It's plain to see that i lost 0.6s in T1-T2( which is AFTER passing the pack) on lap 1 But within 0.02's I maintained the same gap slower to holl as i had at T1 lap 1.

So, my strategy/plan/description, was 'nearly' the same as Holl's, allmost as fast (without the obvious mistake T1-T2 L1, which affected my T2 split L1) overall.

AND I posted it 17 Hrs and 30ish Mins BEFORE he did..............!



BTW ALL!!!!!!

This is NOT an attack on Holl or Hot, or ANY of the faster drivers and I mean that with all my heart!
It's about treating us ALL as equals, and giving praise where praise is due!

We can't all be heroes because somebody has to sit on the curb and clap as they go by.
Will Rogers (1879 - 1935)


Neil

yes neil, i also posted something that worked for me and haven´t got any feedback...

i had a T2 of 1´01´341 once, with the gearing at 230, but nobody tried that setup i guess... i don´t know neil, i think it depends on how much you have recognition to be praised... still, NO OFFENSE TO ANYBODY, i personally think that the people here are very cool, but i would like to see if anybody else had sucess also with the gearing at 230... just let me know...
lets talk more guys...

with 20 possible combinations for AI intelligence, and 5 tipes of tires, still, the different grid combinations... i am not a math, but that´s a lot of possibilities... maybe we didn´t even found the better setup yet... one the we don´t have a problem passing AI cars cleanly... any ideas on AI, other than -10, or +10 would be very apreciated... 👍

 

[Androoos]

fasj,

I too tried the 230 ratio gears. I wasn't able to go any faster than when I had 220 gears. The main problem I found with the 230 gears is in the sweeping left-right after long right after the bridge (got that? ). With 220 gears I am able to take those corners in 4th gear at about 75-78 mph, sometimes faster if I hit it perfect. With the 230 gears, 4th gear is too tall for those corners and I lose time having to downshift to 3rd. I think my T2 using 230 gears was in the high 1:02 range.

I also didn't notice any benefit through the first sector of the track. After the first right, the s-bend under the bridge is taken topped-out in 3rd with 220 gears. This allows the car to bite in hard even though I'm not lifting off the throttle. When in 230 gear, 3rd gear still has a bit to go to get to redline, so it forces me to lift off to make the turn in.

At Puck927's suggestion, I tried running the AI at +5 on RSH. This setup gives a nice flow to the passing in the first sector. All AI are passed by the start of the 2nd straightaway.

I hope this was the type of analysis you were looking for. As always, just my .02 and I'm sure someone out there can contradict me.

Balls I'm sorry no one gave you kudos on your strategy, but does it REALLY matter? It's probably due to the fact that Holl's just faster than you. People tend to see a quick time and want to know how it was done. So they read his description rather than yours.

Moral to this story: Go faster 👍

 

[kragbees]

I agree with 220 being the perfect gearing. It just makes sense. Why would you want to make your gears longer, hence slower acceleration thru the gears ? 210 is too low again, as you'll hit the rev limiter on the start/finish straight if you come out the last corner perfectly. Maybe if you could slip-stream the whole 2 laps, then 230 would be allright, but if you're using a AI strategy of -10, then you'll pass all of them in the 1st few corners anyways, and not have any benefit of slip-streaming. Maybe if you use +10 AI, then you can slip down the straight and use the 230 gearing to get a bit more speed on the straight.

But I think 220 is the best for this week in my humble opinion ... 👍 and AI +9 or 8 on RSH ...

Now I got a question as well ... haha ... do you guys use 3rd gear where the game recommends 2nd ? Like the 1st corner for example ... and the 6th corner (after chicane but before tunnel) ... and the 2nd last corner ... ?

 

[Casio]

any ideas on AI, other than -10, or +10 would be very apreciated... 👍

I'm using +6, if that is any help. You past them all by the first T1, but they seem to keep stangely offline...

 

[fasj6418]

fasj,

I too tried the 230 ratio gears. I wasn't able to go any faster than when I had 220 gears. The main problem I found with the 230 gears is in the sweeping left-right after long right after the bridge (got that? ). With 220 gears I am able to take those corners in 4th gear at about 75-78 mph, sometimes faster if I hit it perfect. With the 230 gears, 4th gear is too tall for those corners and I lose time having to downshift to 3rd. I think my T2 using 230 gears was in the high 1:02 range.

I also didn't notice any benefit through the first sector of the track. After the first right, the s-bend under the bridge is taken topped-out in 3rd with 220 gears. This allows the car to bite in hard even though I'm not lifting off the throttle. When in 230 gear, 3rd gear still has a bit to go to get to redline, so it forces me to lift off to make the turn in.

At Puck927's suggestion, I tried running the AI at +5 on RSH. This setup gives a nice flow to the passing in the first sector. All AI are passed by the start of the 2nd straightaway.

I hope this was the type of analysis you were looking for. As always, just my .02 and I'm sure someone out there can contradict me.

Balls I'm sorry no one gave you kudos on your strategy, but does it REALLY matter? It's probably due to the fact that Holl's just faster than you. People tend to see a quick time and want to know how it was done. So they read his description rather than yours.

Moral to this story: Go faster 👍

yes it was that kind of thing i was curious... androoos, you make me want to try that 220 again... lets see tonight...

you also hit perfect on explaining to neil about the kudos... 👍

more runs to come later tonight...

 

[VEXD]

Hmmmm......

Some chill pills needed i see.....

Firstly, thanx for the acclaim Balls.... i always like to share my findings, but by the time i get here, someone else has done it, gone faster, parked in the pits, popped to sainsbury's and bought the T-shirt, and got back in the car, to much rapturous applause from the crowd.

Get used to it man, they do that.

Praise will come.
i read your "drive by", but i disagreed with your AI choice, so didnt follow your lead, i had already been thru the entire choice of AI and tyre strategies available to us, and not found one i liked.
When you know the race isnt for you on day one, you should probably try completing GT mode in your own game instead, and relax for a week..... the world wont stop.

Hotboi isnt bothered by this combo.... he's not updating us as usual....

Koly, thanx to you, i like to help.

And finally, following the newsflash from geeteye of civics and micra's i would like to add this.

Im a pessimist, im a cynic, and i dont believe Lewie's times.

Has anyone noticed the T's?

He's beating Holl.... and he's slightly behind Veil.

In division 3?

Hmm...... ok lew, this is normal, you shouldnt get upset cos i said something, you are a new face to me, and im sure you will end up higher up division 1 than i am, beating me regularly every week.... but until then, i am sceptical.
You either have the wrong combo, or the wrong idea about WRS (ie: you can cheat and get away with it) OR, stop the press, YOU ARE FAST man!

Lets hope its the latter.

Ive had one attempt at getting round cleanly, i set the AI to +9, i set everyones tyres to RSS, and i slipstreamed the whole bloody field at one time or another, and i did a time i cant be bothered to beat.

Have a lovely weekend all.....

vote in my poll


👍

Edit: i see we are debating top speed settings.... i use 230. why? cos i use ai +9, which means i can use thier wind. If i had my gears at 220, and slipstreamed them, (and i have tried this) i would run out of steam at the end of the straight, so i have to have 230 on my chosen AI setting.
220 is fine for anyone not using the AI cars to gain maximum speed at some point on their run.

merry christmas.

 

[RedWolfRacer]

Yeah, going with what Vexd said, if you're having problems in the WRS, don't be afraid do have some fun with the regular GT4 game. I mean competition SHOULD be fun and challenging, but sometimes its a bit much for some of us (myself included at times; though I've been taking a three week break due to lack of sleep and extra work--I just can't focus at the wheel!).

Everyone: take a deep breath...exhale....and then drive!

 

[Tyre King]

Have Tried loads of different AI settings, different tyres etc
None seem to work better than -10/RSH

Also 230 gearing seems to make a huge difference in acceleration, due to the reletively low BHP of this car. Try running a hot lap with 220, then change it to 230- the ghost just seems to march away from you rather quickly.

BTW
I was feeling pretty hacked-off with life in general last night, and think i should appologise to all, SORRY GUYS


The s**t is really hitting the fan over here in sleepy old blighty, we had four more attempted bombings in London yesterday.
And a thwarted attempt again this morning, which resulted in the police fatally shooting a suspect infront of shocked passengers.

No excuse, but maybe a contributary factor in last night's foul mood.

Neil

 

[VEXD]

Its nice to see such attachment to this country balls.... and i fully appreciate what you mean, though i dont feel the same levels of patriotism as you, if thats the correct terminology, i get where you're comin from...

Time to forget and drive though man!

Turn news 24 off....

👍

 

[fasj6418]

Hmmmm......

Im a pessimist, im a cynic, and i dont believe Lewie's times.

Has anyone noticed the T's?

He's beating Holl.... and he's slightly behind Veil.

In division 3?

Hmm...... ok lew, this is normal, you shouldnt get upset cos i said something, you are a new face to me, and im sure you will end up higher up division 1 than i am, beating me regularly every week.... but until then, i am sceptical.
You either have the wrong combo, or the wrong idea about WRS (ie: you can cheat and get away with it) OR, stop the press, YOU ARE FAST man!

Lets hope its the latter.

no he is not... times are on page 9...

 

[somebody]

There's not a hell of a lot in it but in my opinion if you are doing T1's of 40.xxx and 32.xxx seconds (or faster) for the two laps then you will probably need to have the top speed set at 230. Slower than these times and 220 would seem the way to go.

I'm right on the border of these times and I don't see much difference between the two settings.

Of course the AI settings will factor in to this and I am only a Div 3 driver so undoubtably someone will prove me wrong...

 

[vtec_guy]

Woo im 15th overall now, and just from getting consistent top 20s. Hopefuly if I do well this week then I could be in the overall top 10 before I know it.

 

[Kolyana]

@VexD regarding Lewie ... unfortunately it's normal for that division and was the only reasonw hy i really wanted to earn a promotion out of it. The guys and gal in there ROCK ... very socialable and likeable ... but since day one the division is plagued by guys who really didn't put forward their best for the qualifier ... they just want to race, so they slap in any time and before you know it we have a D2/D1 class driver racing amongst the D3ers. It's an absolutely horrible position to be in, because essentially to are assured that you're up against top notch guys and can't gain the position you would otherwise.

Unfortunately, there's not a lot you can do about it. Lewie will continue to grab poles, he'll eventually be promoted into his correct division and D3 will be left to fend off the blistering lap times of another new guy with a faked qualifier.

BTW, Leiw, I realize that this may come across as an inflammatory post towards you and I truly apologize for that ... truly it's not intended that way. You're too fast for that division, you're FAR from the first to be in that positiona and you won't be the last.

Allow me to be the first to congratulate you on your promotion

 

[fasj6418]

@VexD regarding Lewie ... unfortunately it's normal for that division and was the only reasonw hy i really wanted to earn a promotion out of it. The guys and gal in there ROCK ... very socialable and likeable ... but since day one the division is plagued by guys who really didn't put forward their best for the qualifier ... they just want to race, so they slap in any time and before you know it we have a D2/D1 class driver racing amongst the D3ers. It's an absolutely horrible position to be in, because essentially to are assured that you're up against top notch guys and can't gain the position you would otherwise.

Unfortunately, there's not a lot you can do about it. Lewie will continue to grab poles, he'll eventually be promoted into his correct division and D3 will be left to fend off the blistering lap times of another new guy with a faked qualifier.

BTW, Leiw, I realize that this may come across as an inflammatory post towards you and I truly apologize for that ... truly it's not intended that way. You're too fast for that division, you're FAR from the first to be in that positiona and you won't be the last.

Allow me to be the first to congratulate you on your promotion

yes, you are right on that... 👍

i´ve also discover that i didn´t put that much effort into qualify... (its been 3 weeks since i´m using MT and that made a major change also... if i had qualify today, i would had a different time...) things change with time and dedication...

so lewie is going to div 2... and i guess bhawk776 is going to div 1... if the last 2 weeks are any indication...

would be funny to have a div 3 in the top 5 overall, and a div2 winning at all...

right koly? 👍 (could be you...)

 

[Kolyana]

fas, I wish it was, I wish it was ... but I've already compared times with another D2er (overall race times) and I'm losing half a second or so on the last two corners ... I'm trying to gain that back, but now I can't match my original splits

 

[Androoos]

OK I've got the new splits that I promised this morning...

Lap 1
T1: 40.492
T2: 1:10.059

Lap 2
T1: 32.607
T2: 1:01.948

Fasj, it looks like we've got ourselves a great duel going here...

There are still a few tenths to be had out there and I plan on having them by Tuesday! 👍

 

[SHigSpeed]

New Splits:

T1 41.018
T2 1'10.735
T1 32.802
T2 1.02.142

AI +5/RSH Tires
220 Top Speed/RSS/DS2/D2

-SHig

 

[thenoose]

i...dont...have...that...car...in...arcade...mode!

can i use the element or oddesey instead?

 

[veilsidebr]

i...dont...have...that...car...in...arcade...mode!

can i use the element or oddesey instead?

ahhaha, don´t be lazy, go and race a Bspec DTM champ, win the CLKGTR, sell it and take your gathers on a trackday at motegi.

 

[Puck927]

OK I've got the new splits that I promised this morning...

Lap 1
T1: 40.492
T2: 1:10.059

Lap 2
T1: 32.607
T2: 1:01.948

Fasj, it looks like we've got ourselves a great duel going here...

There are still a few tenths to be had out there and I plan on having them by Tuesday! 👍

Damn 'Drooos, that's one hell of a first lap 👍 . Good job buddy, guess that DFP is really helping you out!!!!

 

[Alpine3]

Had a miracle lap today thanks to all the tips about AI -10 on RSH setting.

Lap 1
T1: 0'40.476
T2: 1'09.718

Lap 2
T1: 0'32.758
T2: 1'02.009

I dont like any version of Motegi but at i'm glad at least we're not racing the full version. Just wanna get this week over with.

 

[holl01]

T1 40.373
T2 1'09.378

T1 32.319
T2 1'01.286

bet my time by .108, i had a way better 2nd lap this time around, but slower 1st lap, i'll probably submit this time unless i can work out a better stradegy 4 passing the ai cars

one time i got a 39.8xx with the a1 at 10 and on rss, but thats hard to do

 

[Casio]

I dont like any version of Motegi but at i'm glad at least we're not racing the full version. Just wanna get this week over with.

That full version is truely awful. Although this one is not much better. But that stupid short one that consists of 2 straights with a little chicane hairpin thingy down one end is by far the worst. And I prefered superspeed way, when it was called super speed way...(Unrelated, but I personally think Superspeed Way would be awesome at night, with packed grandstands the whole way around, this one is like in the middle of a paddock...)

I'm going to do some runs now and that will be all as I will probably then submit, this week is just giving me the ****s...

 

[MisterWeary]

Yeah I'm no fan of the full version although I went and golded S1 this morning just to see if my practice in the Civic paid off, it took 3 runs to Gold so I'm pleased that I know the car and track pretty well. I also went and golded all the Suzuka and El Capitan license tests...I still have nightmares about the Slalom tests though

As for my splits, I can't beat them, I've tried and tried until my thumbs ache and my hands cramp, I'm disappointed because my time is a fair way off being competitive I suspect, don't know what I'm doing wrong, it feels like I'm braking as late as possible and on the brink of slipping off the track on all corners, I'm obviously no good at zippy FF cars (which is ironic since I own one?!?) I'll have to watch some replays next week.

 

[ls2_297]

after just having my first session then i have decided to not submit this week. I can not come to terms in respect to driving FF cars... i just cant drive them!!

 

[fasj6418]

Yes!!! had a chance to play tonight... work still in progress

new splits, they are good for div2...

lap1
T1: 40´546
T2: 1´09´725

lap2
T1: 32´512
T2: 1´01´762

found out that i was been overly agressive on taking the t2 section...

made a mistake that cost me 0´3 or 0´4 on lap 2...

if i can manage my best splits, still can shave 0´8 seconds... 👍

i´m very happy... changing to manual three weeks ago was the best thing i could do...

since my specialty are race cars, this week its proving to be real nice!

i can still take a second off!!! woo-hoo

back to the DS2...