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I wouldn't worry. Most people have a T-time of 1'02 at the second T-line. I got a 1'10 as my best. 
Edit: found out I was using R1 tires! No wonder!!
Edit: found out I was using R1 tires! No wonder!!
Welcome fellow Div 3ers :)
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Hi. I'm bleurabbit7 and I have a racer addiction. 
This is my first time in a WRS. I figure I'd give it a shot. I've participated in 'challenges' in other forums, but nothing like this. It seems more challenging.
This is my first time in a WRS. I figure I'd give it a shot. I've participated in 'challenges' in other forums, but nothing like this. It seems more challenging.
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- Carlisle,Cumbria,England!
- Ballstothewall1
Hey Bleu
Don't be fooled be Nat's avatar, She's no pussycat! lol
She's got pure octane running through her veins Boy!
Hey Natalya, What's up girlfriend?
Listen, i am totally shot this week, tried hot/S_F/Hol's settings and even had a mate who is tottally anal about suspension settings give some advice, but STILL can't get a good T2!
What setting are you runnin? That is if you don't mind sharing with an ex-D3er? Just can't get head round setting up for a compromise. I can do mid/low 27's T1, and T2-finish is fast too, but can't get T1-T2 right, any tips on line etc gratefully recieved.
Neil
Don't be fooled be Nat's avatar, She's no pussycat! lol
She's got pure octane running through her veins Boy!
Hey Natalya, What's up girlfriend?
Listen, i am totally shot this week, tried hot/S_F/Hol's settings and even had a mate who is tottally anal about suspension settings give some advice, but STILL can't get a good T2!
What setting are you runnin? That is if you don't mind sharing with an ex-D3er? Just can't get head round setting up for a compromise. I can do mid/low 27's T1, and T2-finish is fast too, but can't get T1-T2 right, any tips on line etc gratefully recieved.
Neil
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Thanks guys. I'm actually surprised I'm on Div3. All others challenges I've done in other forums, I've been a top contender. But that was back in GT3 and I used the dualshock controller. I'm on the wheel now. Ahhh, the pains of learning. Oh well, happy racing. 👍
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Hey Bigrew ... there are some awesomely fast guys here, but it only serves to cause you to raise your game and the net result is some great learning. They're also an awesome ebunch of guys and a great little community ... I'd encourage you to post regularly and feel free to cut up with people.
Greetigns all new drivers!!
Will get ya added to the Div 3 listings for our Leaderboard, this will make almost 90 racing (well potentialy) in Div 3.
I seem to do great to T1 in this week, 27.xxx's consistantly, just lost about 3 sec's right now on T2 compared to rest of ya, and believe me, I am driving on the edge of destruction. Had to even get the crew to take a pitcure or two of closeness to make sure that I was wall hugging and not hitting.
Will get ya added to the Div 3 listings for our Leaderboard, this will make almost 90 racing (well potentialy) in Div 3.
I seem to do great to T1 in this week, 27.xxx's consistantly, just lost about 3 sec's right now on T2 compared to rest of ya, and believe me, I am driving on the edge of destruction. Had to even get the crew to take a pitcure or two of closeness to make sure that I was wall hugging and not hitting.
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For LMM on FORZA: - This is just my opinion - but after a weekend with Forza I guess I have the following opinions:
1. The graphics - even when set to 480i - are inferior to GT4; they are extremely cartoonish. So much so, that whenever I start the game I find myself looking for a graphics option to increase everything to 'realistic' levels ... of course, no such option exists.
2. The options to tune and visually edit your cars are wonderful and diverse (I've got a stable of yellow vehicles and I'm loving it). Unfortunately it leads to a "rice and drift" mentallity, and while I'll not decry that entire fanbase, I find that it's not as ... mature ... as - say - the WRS. SO one of Forza's strengths actually attracts a less desirable audience, for me.
3. The race tracks look ... wrong ... just wrong. I pulled out some old favorites, including The Ring, and they just look 'toyish' and weak in comparison.
4. It's almost impossible to see corners coming up ... even on an open track such as Silverstone, you see the corner when you're ON it ... there don't seem to be any markers, chevrons or anything else a lot of the time and it can be very frustrating (this is with all assists OFF ... the driving line is a great guide, but in the end you feel like a slot car).
5. No wheel. I own the MadCatzII and I used to think it ROCKED until I bought the DFP ... there is really no comparison between the two. The MC only has about 200 degrees of rotation and no forcefeedback, so the net result is that you spend your time making MINUTE adjustments which have large effects on car movements. It's easier to race in bumper-cam mode using the wheel, but I also tried chase view using the controller ... which - for me - looked even more cartoonish, but wasn't any harder to control.
Combine the lack of a good wheel with the poor graphics and frustrating tracks, and you actually feel like you've got no control *OR* it just feels like an arcade game ... I couldn't escape that. In fact, my apartment mate looked over my shoulder at one point and exclaimed "UGH! Cartoon graphics!" so I know it's not just me.
The physics model is good ... perhaps better than GT4, but it takes some getting used to ... forget braking and turning in non-race tires, you'll lose traction FAST. I also think that there is less sensation of speed and certainly it feels less realistic ... less ... 'solid' and 'earthy' and .... well, it's just 'less'.
The damage model and AI are nice ... in fact I hit a wall the other day on a street track and from that point on the car was pulling to the right. Additionally, the loss of a headlight at night was quite noticeable ... nice touches all around. Oh, and the first time you leave a skid mark on the track or a paint scrape on a barrier ... you almost wet yourself ... it's so cool.
Overall it has some very nice touches that would be good in a GT title - damage, AI, some aspects of an improved interface ... but these are all things that we'll see in GT5, I'm sure. Forza is a decent game ... but in many respects it's core purpose, that of racing, is let down by the graphics, wishy-washy tracks and lack of good wheel. I see no improvement over GT4, unless you want to rice and drift.
Oh, and you and your son (and neighbor?) are free to come over the Clackmas one evening to test it out for yourself!
1. The graphics - even when set to 480i - are inferior to GT4; they are extremely cartoonish. So much so, that whenever I start the game I find myself looking for a graphics option to increase everything to 'realistic' levels ... of course, no such option exists.
2. The options to tune and visually edit your cars are wonderful and diverse (I've got a stable of yellow vehicles and I'm loving it
). Unfortunately it leads to a "rice and drift" mentallity, and while I'll not decry that entire fanbase, I find that it's not as ... mature ... as - say - the WRS. SO one of Forza's strengths actually attracts a less desirable audience, for me.3. The race tracks look ... wrong ... just wrong. I pulled out some old favorites, including The Ring, and they just look 'toyish' and weak in comparison.
4. It's almost impossible to see corners coming up ... even on an open track such as Silverstone, you see the corner when you're ON it ... there don't seem to be any markers, chevrons or anything else a lot of the time and it can be very frustrating (this is with all assists OFF ... the driving line is a great guide, but in the end you feel like a slot car).
5. No wheel. I own the MadCatzII and I used to think it ROCKED until I bought the DFP ... there is really no comparison between the two. The MC only has about 200 degrees of rotation and no forcefeedback, so the net result is that you spend your time making MINUTE adjustments which have large effects on car movements. It's easier to race in bumper-cam mode using the wheel, but I also tried chase view using the controller ... which - for me - looked even more cartoonish, but wasn't any harder to control.
Combine the lack of a good wheel with the poor graphics and frustrating tracks, and you actually feel like you've got no control *OR* it just feels like an arcade game ... I couldn't escape that. In fact, my apartment mate looked over my shoulder at one point and exclaimed "UGH! Cartoon graphics!" so I know it's not just me.
The physics model is good ... perhaps better than GT4, but it takes some getting used to ... forget braking and turning in non-race tires, you'll lose traction FAST. I also think that there is less sensation of speed and certainly it feels less realistic ... less ... 'solid' and 'earthy' and .... well, it's just 'less'.
The damage model and AI are nice ... in fact I hit a wall the other day on a street track and from that point on the car was pulling to the right. Additionally, the loss of a headlight at night was quite noticeable ... nice touches all around. Oh, and the first time you leave a skid mark on the track or a paint scrape on a barrier ... you almost wet yourself ... it's so cool.
Overall it has some very nice touches that would be good in a GT title - damage, AI, some aspects of an improved interface ... but these are all things that we'll see in GT5, I'm sure. Forza is a decent game ... but in many respects it's core purpose, that of racing, is let down by the graphics, wishy-washy tracks and lack of good wheel. I see no improvement over GT4, unless you want to rice and drift.
Oh, and you and your son (and neighbor?) are free to come over the Clackmas one evening to test it out for yourself!
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I so suck this week.... I can't drive high-powered FF cars to save my life! And certainly not in real-life if GT4 is to be my guide: I'd crash in a straight line and die! lol
I gots one more day to improve though.... I told you not to worry Kolyana. Besides, I gave you a compliment on the photo.
Edit: Photo of the car of course.
Also Edit: I LOVE THE 'RING! AND I'M (part) GERMAN! GO ME! *Hopping up and down for next week's race*
I gots one more day to improve though.... I told you not to worry Kolyana. Besides, I gave you a compliment on the photo.
Edit: Photo of the car of course.
Also Edit: I LOVE THE 'RING! AND I'M (part) GERMAN! GO ME! *Hopping up and down for next week's race*
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well nat, i had to peek my head in here and see your review of forza. on the net they scored it just a bit higher than gt4. it was like 8.9 to 9.2 or something. I didn't think the graphics looked to bad. I see hwat you mean by the cartoon graphics though. I guess it looked like the enviroments looked a little better. Or they at least looked appealing. It made me miss being at the race track.
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@Red, well I'm not going to count my chickens too early ... this was a good week for me, but a lot of guys don't discuss their T times, so I'm not hoping for anything othet than a top ten finish; that'll be a personal best for me
I'm actually looking forward the the RIng ... it'll bea tough week for me, because I'm out all saturday at a GT4 lan party, but I've been practicing and so it won't be completely new to me.
@6c ... I think if FOrza had a half decent wheel, we'd be closer to realizing this titles potential, but the lack of it really hampers it. I can't help but feel that the graphics should be waaaaaaaaaaaaay better, but I'll not judge the entire title based on that alone.
I must admit, I just don't know how it scored so well in the reviews, unless ricing out your car and then smashing it up is what people are looking for ... and I suspect that it's a big part of it.
I can't see what you mean about the environments ... it really does make me wonder if my 480i settings have 'kicked in' or not ... my environments SUCK. *IS* there a graphics option I'm missing?
Because I've been practicing the Ring, I immediately threw this track up on FOrza and ... well .. I mean ... UGH ...
I'm an XBox fan before as PS2 one, and I just can't see it ... I really can't.
Oh, and my LIVE! handle is also "kolyana" so always feel free to add me if you have LIVE! Maybe we'll race someday. But, man, they have to get a wheel.
I'm actually looking forward the the RIng ... it'll bea tough week for me, because I'm out all saturday at a GT4 lan party, but I've been practicing and so it won't be completely new to me.
@6c ... I think if FOrza had a half decent wheel, we'd be closer to realizing this titles potential, but the lack of it really hampers it. I can't help but feel that the graphics should be waaaaaaaaaaaaay better, but I'll not judge the entire title based on that alone.
I must admit, I just don't know how it scored so well in the reviews, unless ricing out your car and then smashing it up is what people are looking for ... and I suspect that it's a big part of it.
I can't see what you mean about the environments ... it really does make me wonder if my 480i settings have 'kicked in' or not ... my environments SUCK. *IS* there a graphics option I'm missing?
Because I've been practicing the Ring, I immediately threw this track up on FOrza and ... well .. I mean ... UGH ...
I'm an XBox fan before as PS2 one, and I just can't see it ... I really can't.
Oh, and my LIVE! handle is also "kolyana" so always feel free to add me if you have LIVE! Maybe we'll race someday. But, man, they have to get a wheel.
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Congrats on the podium, Kolyana! And others as well. It looks like I wasn't the only one who had trouble with this FF beast, but some of you seemed to handle it quite well!
*looks at own time* Told you not to worry.... LOL I only had two single-hour runs with which to compete.
As for the Nurburgring this week, I've got prom to get ready for this weekend. Much of my time will likely be devoted to that. It figures we race the biggest course in the game during the same week as that and vice versa. But I'm sure I'll find the time.
*looks at own time* Told you not to worry.... LOL I only had two single-hour runs with which to compete.
As for the Nurburgring this week, I've got prom to get ready for this weekend. Much of my time will likely be devoted to that. It figures we race the biggest course in the game during the same week as that and vice versa. But I'm sure I'll find the time.
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Yay, my first podium ... it wasn't long ago that I thought it to be an impossibility, but obviously something about FF cars agrees with me ... and we'll not say anything about all the fast guys ahead of me being promoted to D2, right? 
Looking forward to the Ring, funnily enough ... the sheer length of it will probably change my style a little, no easy re-starts here, but I've been practicing with Teledriel a little so she's not going to come as a complete surprise. Looks like a fun combo.
Ok, cup of tea and then I've got to work on our leaderboard!
Looking forward to the Ring, funnily enough ... the sheer length of it will probably change my style a little, no easy re-starts here, but I've been practicing with Teledriel a little so she's not going to come as a complete surprise. Looks like a fun combo.
Ok, cup of tea and then I've got to work on our leaderboard!
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Muchos congrats to all, especially the D3 podium winners and the Kolyana's first podium (mine is, alas, still waiting).Kolyana
My time got missed somehow on CFM's results, but it's finally there. I so wanted a sub 1'33 time (actually wanted a sub 1'32 time, but hey, gotta be realistic), but I started to go backwards, so I stopped.
My son jumped on to my car setup, and set his sub 1'32 time after two laps, the little turkey. But finally the southern wing of the Aloha WRS racers beat the northern wing (I Dont' Know and I beat Jmitch17). Unfortunately, none of us were in the top 10.
So on to Germany next!
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Two first time podium finishers!Kolyana
Congratulations to both Kolyana and Old Geezer! May both of your wheels fall off next week!
But seriously, great job to all of you. I think I could have maybe eeked out .5 seconds on my best time, but that was it for me. How hot604boi did it, I can't wait to see on his replay. After 5 weeks of this, I've decided to keep my day job and not run down to Pat's Acres go-kart track to take part in the Red Bull Driver's search (Kolyana, have you ever been down there? - it's in Canby and they've got a marvelous track, lots of fun to race on).I have been away from GT4 for a few weeks now. AND IT SHOWS. Two finishes outside the top 25 and one week i didnt even submit a time.
Im going to have to put in some serious seat time this week in order to get back on my game.
Add being away from the game and playing other driving sim/games (Enthusia, GTR for PC) and my physics perception is all out of whack.
Hope to improve my concentration on the 'ring.
Good Effort to all the D3'ers and Congrats on this weeks podiums!
Im going to have to put in some serious seat time this week in order to get back on my game.
Add being away from the game and playing other driving sim/games (Enthusia, GTR for PC) and my physics perception is all out of whack.
Hope to improve my concentration on the 'ring.
Good Effort to all the D3'ers and Congrats on this weeks podiums!
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THANX Nat & LMM as well!Kolyana
Let's see...all three drivers who beat me last week were promoted...& Large Frys gets moved up this week...if CFM keeps this up "Maybe" I'll get to the top of the Podium! 
...O.G. 
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Congrats to those Div 3 drivers who made the podium this week...way to go!
(Old Geezer & Kolyana respectively)
Good luck to ALL DIV 3 drivers this week as the "ring" ain't no slouch of a track!
Just remember...it's not about who has the fastest T-Times...but who has the fastest lap time...Now if I can just remember that myself, I'd be good to go!
I'm hoping that with as much time I've spent racing this track, I can, after 6 LONG WEEKS in the WRS, finally get my fat a** up there on the podium! (Spelling?)
But in any case, I look forward to seeing some pretty good times being posted in this particular thread!
Good luck to all!
Peace-
SimRaceDriver
(Old Geezer & Kolyana respectively)
Good luck to ALL DIV 3 drivers this week as the "ring" ain't no slouch of a track!
Just remember...it's not about who has the fastest T-Times...but who has the fastest lap time...Now if I can just remember that myself, I'd be good to go!
I'm hoping that with as much time I've spent racing this track, I can, after 6 LONG WEEKS in the WRS, finally get my fat a** up there on the podium! (Spelling?)
But in any case, I look forward to seeing some pretty good times being posted in this particular thread!
Good luck to all!
Peace-
SimRaceDriver
