What are the chances of Gran Turismo 7 being available on PC?

[shenfrey]

As long as they can keep hackers off the platform, it can come to phones for all I care.

 

[ScottPuss20]

You did read it right? It literally says its a folder on your computer in one of the very first sentences. You don't know how to open any folder, or see what a folder name is called? I see your issue now, it's not that the instructions are difficult, or the task is difficult, you're failing due to a lack of reading the actual instructions - That's a common occurrence with a lot of people actually, and why most tend to fail relatively simple tasks.

I'm amazed you're even able to turn on your computer, or get past the boot screen at this point. You're right, this isn't for you - You're probably actually the very most extreme example, on the complete end of the spectrum actively fighting being able to learn something extremely simple with the many facets of help around and the very simplified instructions. It's the typical old man trope hating technology advancement and not wanting to take the simple steps to learn it, so instead, just damn it all. It's obvious you have no intent on having an honest discussion here so I suppose this is where we can end it.

Again, have a good day.

Oh wow. You just end up resorting to personal attacks because this guy won't agree with you... Very classy mate. Having a go at someone because of their age is a low bar and quite ignorant to be honest. I understand what @FPV MIC is saying, he doesn't want to go through the trouble of downloading mods and that's fine. Just because it's "simple" for you doesn't mean that it's simple for everyone, so there's no point getting upset if someone decides not to do it.

 

[Strittan]

GT7 does not need to come out on PC, but maybe it will a year or two after the initial release. Who knows?

Exclusive games are good for us gamers, as they’re generally of higher quality than third party multi platform games. Why? Because they’re made to sell consoles.

A world in which you could play everything on anything would be a nightmare, both for developers and gamers.

 

[Samus]

GT7 does not need to come out on PC, but maybe it will a year or two after the initial release. Who knows?

Exclusive games are good for us gamers, as they’re generally of higher quality than third party multi platform games. Why? Because they’re made to sell consoles.

A world in which you could play everything on anything would be a nightmare, both for developers and gamers.

In the hypothetical world where exclusives don't exist you would surely have a huge amount of studios whose only existence was to port games across platforms. I don't think you'd suddenly see every studio making their game for every platform.

But yeah, it's always going to be a hypothetical world, I'm sure.

 

[Earth]

So you want console gaming as a whole to come to an end, basically?

I really doubt that would happen. All Xbox games come to PC, and that hasnt destroyed Xbox sales. Consoles are generally cheaper and much easier to use then PCs so they'll always have a place. For example, my current PC is more powerful then my PS5, yet I'll be buying Battlefield 2042 on the PS5 because of the console's ease of use. Also, most people can barely afford a console, let alone a high end PC to enjoy cutting edge graphics.

Exclusive games mattered 15 years ago when there were alot of them. But over the years there has been fewer and fewer exclusive games because of the higher costs of game development. Now its just annoying and pointless when only a handful of games are exclusive. Imagine if the latest Mario game wasn't hamstrung by Nintendo's lackluster hardware. Or imagine crossplay between PC/PS/Xbox in Gran Turismo. Or being able to enjoy all the racing sims without having to own multiple pieces of hardware.

 

[MisterWaffles]

I don’t even know how this thread became a discussion or argument about Assetto Corsa modding, I’m a part of that community and it’s annoying enough as it is with all the drama and to see it spilling over here is a little disheartening.

Anyways, if GT7 were to come out for PC like that NVIDIA leak suggested, I wonder what the minimum requirements for the game would be like? I have a decent gaming laptop and GT7 would probably make it explode. Just given PD’s push for graphical fidelity I could see graphics requirement becoming a major limiting factor to the amount of people who are able to play GT7 on PC. The potential of the game is already being shackled down by the PS4 so it’s safe to assume the requirements would be quite high.

 

[daan]

You did read it right? It literally says its a folder on your computer in one of the very first sentences. You don't know how to open any folder, or see what a folder name is called? I see your issue now, it's not that the instructions are difficult, or the task is difficult, you're failing due to a lack of reading the actual instructions - That's a common occurrence with a lot of people actually, and why most tend to fail relatively simple tasks.

I'm amazed you're even able to turn on your computer, or get past the boot screen at this point. You're right, this isn't for you - You're probably actually the very most extreme example, on the complete end of the spectrum actively fighting being able to learn something extremely simple with the many facets of help around and the very simplified instructions. It's the typical old man trope hating technology advancement and not wanting to take the simple steps to learn it, so instead, just damn it all. It's obvious you have no intent on having an honest discussion here so I suppose this is where we can end it.

Again, have a good day.

Yes, there are people who do not know what a folder is, or what it's called, or what the C drive is.

How strange that someone called Imarobot shows a complete lack of empathy.

Now, I'm sure there's a topic here somewhere and I'm sure it's not how easy PCs are to use, how to install AC mods, or who can install big tellys.

 

[Imari]

I really doubt that would happen. All Xbox games come to PC, and that hasnt destroyed Xbox sales. Consoles are generally cheaper and much easier to use then PCs so they'll always have a place. For example, my current PC is more powerful then my PS5, yet I'll be buying Battlefield 2042 on the PS5 because of the console's ease of use. Also, most people can barely afford a console, let alone a high end PC to enjoy cutting edge graphics.

The high end PC thing is a bit of a red herring. Even before hardware prices went bonkers, the argument was never about a console versus a high end PC. If you had money for a high end PC, you probably had money for a PC, both consoles and as many nuggies as your Mom could carry into the basement.

The correct comparison was between a console and a mid-range PC costing a similar amount, and most generations it ends up being almost entirely about ease of use. A console (mostly) just works. A PC can do more and can look better sometimes, but will sometimes crash more, look worse, or just require more effort to run properly.

Just like with cars, some people don't mind this and other people even consider it to be a positive. Personally, I quite like that consoles are turning into small, fixed hardware PCs. I'm hoping that in a couple of generations that's all they are, fixed hardware for people who don't want to deal with computer BS. That's a valid choice, just like a new Corolla is a valid choice over a 10 year old BMW. Game devs can optimise for the fixed hardware and the rest of us can carry on as usual, and all gamers win.

Console wars haven't helped anyone except console execs.

 

[MIE1992]

I feel like if GT was released on PC, it would certainly help with sales, but on the other hand, it has a lot more competition on PC, like with Assetto Corsa, the Project CARS series, iRacing, rFactor, and so on. I don't see a PC release of GT being financially worth it.

Now, on the other hand, I could definitely see GT for iOS, at least either a more lightweight version of the game (perhaps like a B-Spec manager), or a much more fleshed-out companion app for one of the main entries, like GT7. In the latter case, maybe you could even use your phone's touchscreen to tinker with stickers in the livery editor. Either way, I know I saw a posting for a mobile developer on PD's website at some point after GT Sport's launch, so hopefully something will come of that.

 

[Strittan]

Exclusive games mattered 15 years ago when there were alot of them. But over the years there has been fewer and fewer exclusive games because of the higher costs of game development. Now its just annoying and pointless when only a handful of games are exclusive.

Uncharted, The Last of Us, God of War, Horizon, Returnal, Spider-Man, Wolverine, Ratchet & Clank, Ghost of Tsushima, Death Stranding, Gran Turismo, Final Fantasy VII Remake, all pointless. That’s just PlayStation, and I’m probably forgetting a few.

 

[Imari]

Uncharted, The Last of Us, God of War, Horizon, Returnal, Spider-Man, Wolverine, Ratchet & Clank, Ghost of Tsushima, Death Stranding, Gran Turismo, Final Fantasy VII Remake, all pointless. That’s just PlayStation, and I’m probably forgetting a few.

You know a bunch of those aren't exclusives any more, right?

 

[Strittan]

You know a bunch of those aren't exclusives any more, right?

Sure, but they were developed for PlayStation. Then they were ported to PC by external teams, which is why I said this:

GT7 does not need to come out on PC, but maybe it will a year or two after the initial release. Who knows?

 

[Monkey Man]

A console (mostly) just works. A PC can do more and can look better sometimes, but will sometimes crash more, look worse, or just require more effort to run properly.

Just like with cars, some people don't mind this and other people even consider it to be a positive. Personally, I quite like that consoles are turning into small, fixed hardware PCs. I'm hoping that in a couple of generations that's all they are, fixed hardware for people who don't want to deal with computer BS. That's a valid choice, just like a new Corolla is a valid choice over a 10 year old BMW. Game devs can optimise for the fixed hardware and the rest of us can carry on as usual, and all gamers win.

100% agree with all of this mate.

I've been borrowing a PC to run ACC on whilst I wait for GT7. Until 2 weeks ago GT6 was all I'd played since 2012, and GT is all I've played since the ATARI 2600 days of the late '70s!

I signed up for Steam and Discord and bought and installed ACC and the DLC and I'm already over all the BS tweaking and futzing around. I'm also borrowing my buddy's G25 'cause I'm still on the original Driving Force(!) and you couldn't keep a car on the track until I downloaded a specific .json and some other file and placed them somewhere or other.

On top of this I'm a Mac guy so it takes me an hour on a PC to do something my electrical-engineer brother does in less than 30 seconds.

I've said to him for years that I want to stick with consoles as long as they're a thing 'cause life's complimicated-enough as it is. I've given in to his urging and bought ACC, a mouse and keyboard and various leads just for this "experiment" and I'm already-done. He's not going to like it when I break the news that I won't be buying AC and installing a shedload of mods and whatnot. Hopefully he'll at least let me hang onto his old PC 'til GT7 arrives.

Hopefully the new ACC for PS5 that's due in February won't sacrifice too much by not being able to race online with the PC version and the lobbies for PS5, along with GT7's ones, will be an awesome combination for me in a simplified (back-to-normal for me) setup sans-PC.

I get that peeps like to tweak. I'm an audio engineer / one-man band, but just the latter is more than enough of a technology headache for me, let alone all the audio-forum stuff including modding a pretty-popular one. Bottom line for me is that technology is chewing up way too much of my time and energy, period. This in turn makes the idea of simply switching on a console and hooking a wheel up to drive super-attractive. Simple. Definitely not-as-tweakable, but the focus for me would be fun / instant gratification.

Sorry about the rant mate. Your words resonated with me big-time.

 

[Imari]

Sure, but they were developed for PlayStation. Then they were ported to PC by external teams, which is why I said this:

I guess. A timed exclusive is in some ways an exclusive and in other ways not.

I suspect that for the PC crowd, where everyone has Steam and Epic libraries full of more games that any normal person could ever play and where popular games stay alive for decades, a timed exclusive is just a fancy way of saying a delayed release. There's not the same need to be in on day one on PC. I'm fine with buying tentpole PS titles two years late on PC if that's the way it has to be. Timed exclusives seems like the best of both worlds to me, Sony/MS get to provide tangible benefits to those owning their console, while still likely getting more or less the same lifetime sales as if they'd just released on everything day one.

My personal feeling is that if this is the plan from the outset (as it seems like it probably should be) then the word "exclusive" is really stretching pretty far, but at this point we're pretty much talking about marketing anyway so words can mean whatever makes Sony or MS the most money.

 

[ImaRobot]

Yes, there are people who do not know what a folder is, or what it's called, or what the C drive is.

How strange that someone called Imarobot shows a complete lack of empathy.

Now, I'm sure there's a topic here somewhere and I'm sure it's not how easy PCs are to use, how to install AC mods, or who can install big tellys.

Well then it's a good thing that the instructions outright, in the first few sentences, say exactly what that is. Hard to have empathy for someone who is going to outright refuse to actually read instructions that are posted, and then expected to be taken seriously after the fact just to dishonestly make something out to be harder than it actually is.

I'm sure there is, and unlike some though apparently, I can read through easy instructions and actually progress from there. Although, I wasn't asking for any tips, got it done on my own by reading the simple instructions it came with - task just would have been simpler with more hands. Should have been apparent if you read the posts .

You're right though, the topic is about GT coming to PC, and mods will play a big part of that hopefully if/when it does and that they wouldn't be hard to install going off the many games that are easy to get it going, making it pretty relative to topic at hand. So I'm hopeful that it does come to PC, and that the wonderfully large community get together and fill in the blanks that are missed by PD - a man can dream.

 

[FPV MIC]

Well then it's a good thing that the instructions outright, in the first few sentences, say exactly what that is. Hard to have empathy for someone who is going to outright refuse to actually read instructions that are posted, and then expected to be taken seriously after the fact just to dishonestly make something out to be harder than it actually is.

I'm sure there is, and unlike some though apparently, I can read through easy instructions and actually progress from there. Although, I wasn't asking for any tips, got it done on my own by reading the simple instructions it came with - task just would have been simpler with more hands. Should have been apparent if you read the posts .

You're right though, the topic is about GT coming to PC, and mods will play a big part of that hopefully if/when it does and that they wouldn't be hard to install going off the many games that are easy to get it going, making it pretty relative to topic at hand. So I'm hopeful that it does come to PC, and that the wonderfully large community get together and fill in the blanks that are missed by PD - a man can dream.

You can't judge what is easy for me based on what's easy for you no matter how much you disagree.

 

[ImaRobot]

You can't judge what is easy for me based on what's easy for you no matter how much you disagree.

Good thing I didn't say that, I said I feel like you're being dishonest. I mean, you did compare it to being a doctor and doing surgery after all.

Either way, like I said, I hope the option does happen in the future so people can make things better for themselves if they choose to. Considering how Forza Horizon 5 had nearly 1-2 million users before even actually being released, I see no reason that justifies it not coming to PC.

 

[Tornado]

Yes, there are people who do not know what a folder is, or what it's called, or what the C drive is.

How strange that someone called Imarobot shows a complete lack of empathy.

If you're on an internet forum arguing with multiple people for nearly a week about how something optional to improve a game experience is too hard and thus comparisons made where the experience was improved need to be dismissed, I find the justification that "I just can't learn how computers work" more than a little bit questionable and much more "You can't compare these things because I don't like that it makes the thing I prefer look inferior" instead.




I don't want to speak for Imarobot, but I also couldn't care less if that makes me sound like I lack empathy.

 

[kraftwerkd]

With Kaz's insistence on the game being always-online for the sake of preventing cheating, I highly doubt GT7 would come to PC. As much as I would hope it comes to PC just so I can save myself $500 by not buying a new plastic box, the series would be better off staying on PlayStation.

 

[ImaRobot]

With Kaz's insistence on the game being always-online for the sake of preventing cheating, I highly doubt GT7 would come to PC. As much as I would hope it comes to PC just so I can save myself $500 by not buying a new plastic box, the series would be better off staying on PlayStation.

Why would always online be a problem for PC users?

 

[Tornado]

The awful way GFWL was implemented on PC games back in the day wasn't that dissimilar from always online DRM, and that was way back in 2007-ish. If anything, always online connected single player games have been more common on PC than on consoles for years now; with the main difference is that on PC it was frequently hacked out.

 

[kraftwerkd]

Why would always online be a problem for PC users?

Because inevitably some genius will figure out a way to bypass PD's verification and ruin it for everybody.

 

[ImaRobot]

Because inevitably some genius will figure out a way to bypass PD's verification and ruin it for everybody.

I don't see how that's such a big issue - Unless for some reason people just see PD as incompetent. If it was a large issue, I'm amazed at how well the many PC games that are out that have to deal with it seemingly are doing fine.

 

[ArR29]

Because inevitably some genius will figure out a way to bypass PD's verification and ruin it for everybody.

That's just part of PC culture. If GT would ever come to PC, people would mod the hell out of it. GTSport could work well on PC as an entry level version of Iracing.

 

[nickf1gr]

I don't think that it will be a release of GT game in PC anytime soon because it would be much more the damage for Sony (exclusivity etc) and they must have had to invest in PC programming (men time and money). They are so tight with Sony (Kaz is vice president in Sony). And all we know that PD is a snail company in game development. For the end i don't think that they cooparate with another programming team to do something like that. They are a "closed" club. For all of those reasons i think that PD will never try something like that.

 

[Imari]

Because inevitably some genius will figure out a way to bypass PD's verification and ruin it for everybody.

How does disabling the online only component of a single player game ruin anything for anybody?

 

[rex1825]

...it's not just games parse, PSNow and GamePass should be available to all platforms including those services that are on PC. As of today, there is no reason to hold back anything since both consoles are basically mid range PCs.

Although, it is questionable what would happen to consoles alone, sales would go down, but then again, those who want a console, being it a PS5 or xBOne X/S, they will buy it regardless of content available on other platforms...

...thing that bothers me more is buying all over again the same game, so if I have a game on one platform, I need to get copy of that same game for another platfrom. Now this makes sense if you buy directly lets say from PSN or xBoxLive, or any other service, but if the game has it's own platform, like epic/uplay/origin, you already own that game on those accounts, what for do I need to buy it again?!?!

 

[Silver Arrows]

If you're on an internet forum arguing with multiple people for nearly a week about how something optional to improve a game experience is too hard and thus comparisons made where the experience was improved need to be dismissed, I find the justification that "I just can't learn how computers work" more than a little bit questionable and much more "You can't compare these things because I don't like that it makes the thing I prefer look inferior" instead.




I don't want to speak for Imarobot, but I also couldn't care less if that makes me sound like I lack empathy.

Exactly. Not helped by the fact that the entire argument was started because one of the usual suspects who find anyone even lightly critical of GT and label them heretics, said an outright falsehood about how the common user would find modding AC too hard, of which examples were given on how easy it actually was.

How does disabling the online only component of a single player game ruin anything for anybody?

Reasons, I guess. /s

 

[FPV MIC]

Exactly. Not helped by the fact that the entire argument was started because one of the usual suspects who find anyone even lightly critical of GT and label them heretics, said an outright falsehood about how the common user would find modding AC too hard, of which examples were given on how easy it actually was.



Reasons, I guess. /s

This is what I said,

That is totally dependant on how PC savvy you are. I am not very PC savvy so the level of difficulty to me is far higher than for others.

I have never mentioned what it's like for others, so prove me wrong that the level of difficulty to me is far higher than for others.

Also when have I ever labelled anyone a heretic for being lightly critical of GT?

If you're on an internet forum arguing with multiple people for nearly a week about how something optional to improve a game experience is too hard and thus comparisons made where the experience was improved need to be dismissed, I find the justification that "I just can't learn how computers work" more than a little bit questionable and much more "You can't compare these things because I don't like that it makes the thing I prefer look inferior" instead.




I don't want to speak for Imarobot, but I also couldn't care less if that makes me sound like I lack empathy.

I struggle on this very forum since the recent changes so I don't see how arguing on internet forum stacks up. You also show how little about me you know with the whole "You can't compare these things because I don't like that it makes the thing I prefer look inferior" bit. That's just ********.

Good thing I didn't say that, I said I feel like you're being dishonest. I mean, you did compare it to being a doctor and doing surgery after all.

Either way, like I said, I hope the option does happen in the future so people can make things better for themselves if they choose to. Considering how Forza Horizon 5 had nearly 1-2 million users before even actually being released, I see no reason that justifies it not coming to PC.

You keeping on saying that doesn't make it true. Can I do some things? Of course I can, but there's so many things on PC that a lot of people find simple that I really struggle with.

And how is ''make something out to be harder than it actually is.'' not judging what's easy for me, because I've only ever mentioned what it's like for me, not others.

 

[ScottPuss20]

This is what I said,

I have never mentioned what it's like for others, so prove me wrong that the level of difficulty to me is far higher than for others.

Also when have I ever labelled anyone a heretic for being lightly critical of GT?

I struggle on this very forum since the recent changes so I don't see how arguing on internet forum stacks up. You also show how little about me you know with the whole "You can't compare these things because I don't like that it makes the thing I prefer look inferior" bit. That's just ********.


You keeping on saying that doesn't make it true. Can I do some things? Of course I can, but there's so many things on PC that a lot of people find simple that I really struggle with.

And how is ''make something out to be harder than it actually is.'' not judging what's easy for me, because I've only ever mentioned what it's like for me, not others.

Please stop.