JoeMaPampang
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So what? during RACING i'm not concerned with how much details is in my rearlight. I'm concerned with a "Smooth 60 FRAMES" and i cant say that from GT5. Thats the point.
What does GT5 have over FM3?
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JoeMaPampang
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I agree with what you say Joe, 60fps is the most important aspect in my opinion. And this is what annoys me about GT5, the fact that the PS3 clearly can't cope with Kaz's vision.
I have a feeling that this GT5 spent that long in development that what we have is nothing more than a preview of GT6 on PS4, were his vision will be closer to what he wanted.
But what annoys me about turn 10 is that they released pictures of how Forza3 would look and it looks nothing like those pictures even in photomode, they were nothing but bullshots.
At least GT5 looks like the pre-release pictures.
I also like Kazunori's apology about not meeting 60fps and the photo of the die-cast undercarriage.
I can appreciate his modesty but we got nothing like that from turn10, remember that the limited edition of forza3 had a USB stick for importing photos, microsoft pulled that idea but still went ahead with the USB stick, remember forza3 at E3!!!!
I have a feeling that this GT5 spent that long in development that what we have is nothing more than a preview of GT6 on PS4, were his vision will be closer to what he wanted.
But what annoys me about turn 10 is that they released pictures of how Forza3 would look and it looks nothing like those pictures even in photomode, they were nothing but bullshots.
At least GT5 looks like the pre-release pictures.
I also like Kazunori's apology about not meeting 60fps and the photo of the die-cast undercarriage.
I can appreciate his modesty but we got nothing like that from turn10, remember that the limited edition of forza3 had a USB stick for importing photos, microsoft pulled that idea but still went ahead with the USB stick, remember forza3 at E3!!!!
Zer0
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Looks better because the image quality is upgraded(better antialiasing, better texture filtering, camera filters, etc) but the graphics and polygon number remains the same.
In phototravel the cars look a little better because the models being used are the same from the menus(the most detailed ones) and in photomode they use the same wich you see ingame, a little less detailed but still in a league apart from any other game.
Look at the engine detail.
Photomode/ingame:
Phototravel/menus:
In some cars is more difficult to tell the differences. The point is that when you make a gameplay photo you get what you see, not a faked image with a different graphical charge. So is why all the comparisons made with photomode in Forza 3 are invalid and not representative of the gameplay detail.
Nice turn.
https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=142492&page=40#post4582965
You really can't tell the difference. Im sorry, but have you even played Forza 3? The image is not a faked image, it is almost impossible to see the difference when your looking at gameplay or photomode. I am sure photomode has better graphics then gameplay for Gt5 and Forza 3. You can't rotate the camera a full circle around the car during gameplay (as I have been told), so how can you not say Gt5 photomodes are faked. I heard you can only do that in replay mode, and replay mode is probably better rendered then gameplay.
Gt5 has the better graphics over Forza 3, its pretty obvious. But not the 80% of the other cars. There is more screen tearing, fps flicks, and bad shadows in Gt5, I would not blame them, what PD are attempting with 16 cars with that much detail its bound to happen, especially on a console.
About the whole graphics battle. I do think its just depends on preference, eyecandy or performance. Both games have some of the best graphics in the industry. Graphics don't make a game, they just make a game better.
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First the first part of this video I made of an online race, where I pan around the cars at the starting grid, the cars are exactly the same as in gameplay. Some of them are standard models
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HB6BU1-WUus
Zer0
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The camera rotation is not needed in order to see the car detail, just place your car enought close to any other AI car and enjoy. The ingame detail you see is the same that you see in photomode and replays.
Make the same test in Forza 3 and compare(see my previous posts), aside of the low poly cars even the interior detail is missing.
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Wow damage and sound are a step up in Forza.
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I know, funny lot aren't they.
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You guys forgot the most obvious thing. Free online play, track creator, weather, rallying or night racing. Get owned.
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I'm sure it's mentioned somewhere in the previous 40 odd pages.
For me it comes down to which feels the best.
And GT5 feels better.
Seriously, after the first impression of racing some low spec compact cars, to earn EXP and cash, I would have quickly swayed towards preferring FM3 for it's better polished game.
FM3 has less eye candy - true, but it has an established standard of good models with more freedom, to tune and collect and great, solid physics and sound, to satisfy even serious sim racers.
Now comes the kick: After leveling and collecting cash a bit, one finally is open, to collect more powerful cars and tune them step by step during several races.
These cars reveal the level of detail in the physics, the usual compact car doesn't show.
I spend a few hours, driving an R32 Skyline from factory to carefully built and tuned racing spec on just Tsukuba.
I raced the R32 in a lower class, to prevent any traffic and basically did a time trial test run of 5 laps each race, earning money for new parts with every run.
This morning, I almost hit the 01:00:00 mark the first time with this machine.
I can not find words for the unbelievable detail of tire, chassis and track response one gets with GT5.
FM3 is not up to this kind of detail!
You can literally feel the tire's grip buildup during the first laps, you can feel every bit of setup change during your runs, every corner, every bump just feels right.
FM3 is not an arcade racer by comparison, but it indeed looses color, compared with the newer GT5 feel.
I am looking forward in trying the very fast racing spec models in GT5 later.
FM3 leaves me always deeply unimpressed, as these feel indeed like rockets on rails in a very arcady fashion, compared to tuned production cars in FM3.
Gt5 is also the only one were I watch the replays, forza 3 replays don't interest me at all.
All I ask is that sony gives PD the time to fix the problems with GT5.
I would prefer that GT5 is fixed before the DLC starts arriving.
And GT5 feels better.
Seriously, after the first impression of racing some low spec compact cars, to earn EXP and cash, I would have quickly swayed towards preferring FM3 for it's better polished game.
FM3 has less eye candy - true, but it has an established standard of good models with more freedom, to tune and collect and great, solid physics and sound, to satisfy even serious sim racers.
Now comes the kick: After leveling and collecting cash a bit, one finally is open, to collect more powerful cars and tune them step by step during several races.
These cars reveal the level of detail in the physics, the usual compact car doesn't show.
I spend a few hours, driving an R32 Skyline from factory to carefully built and tuned racing spec on just Tsukuba.
I raced the R32 in a lower class, to prevent any traffic and basically did a time trial test run of 5 laps each race, earning money for new parts with every run.
This morning, I almost hit the 01:00:00 mark the first time with this machine.
I can not find words for the unbelievable detail of tire, chassis and track response one gets with GT5.
FM3 is not up to this kind of detail!
You can literally feel the tire's grip buildup during the first laps, you can feel every bit of setup change during your runs, every corner, every bump just feels right.
FM3 is not an arcade racer by comparison, but it indeed looses color, compared with the newer GT5 feel.
I am looking forward in trying the very fast racing spec models in GT5 later.
FM3 leaves me always deeply unimpressed, as these feel indeed like rockets on rails in a very arcady fashion, compared to tuned production cars in FM3.
Gt5 is also the only one were I watch the replays, forza 3 replays don't interest me at all.
All I ask is that sony gives PD the time to fix the problems with GT5.
I would prefer that GT5 is fixed before the DLC starts arriving.
FERRAR1458
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Forza is a good game but gt5 has more realism as a more ambitious sim, forza is more fun.
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The problem is, no matter how much we say it, the fanboys ignore them or change the topic. Thus, I'm trying to put it in their heads to sit down and stop the FM3 vs GT5 flamewars for once and for all, which are also filed in my C:\Documents and Settings\Cool Story Bro folder.
I don't ignore them, I know they are there in GT5 and it looks amazing
! I don't want to comment on them, because there are dozens of other same posts that are already posted up. If we don't change the topic all we will be talking about is the same posts that were already put up.Also this thread talks about what GT5 has over FM3, this thread is mainly for flamewars.
I don't own GT5 but I do own Forza3. They are both amazingly good games, but this thread is talking about what one has over the other.
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Why cant we just end it like this:
GT5 does some things better than FM3 and FM3 does some things better than GT5.
GT5 will always be the better simulator in terms of graphics, physics and weather meanwhile Forza will always be the better game in terms of customisation, pick and playability and a quick lobby system.
Go get GT5 if you have a PS3, end of!
Also don't make opinions about a game you've never owned. I've seen alot of Forza fan boys on here trying to claim they played both games when it's easy to tell they havent.
GT5 does some things better than FM3 and FM3 does some things better than GT5.
GT5 will always be the better simulator in terms of graphics, physics and weather meanwhile Forza will always be the better game in terms of customisation, pick and playability and a quick lobby system.
Go get GT5 if you have a PS3, end of!
Also don't make opinions about a game you've never owned. I've seen alot of Forza fan boys on here trying to claim they played both games when it's easy to tell they havent.
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Spend the money how you like. I'm not here to argue it. There are more reasons to stick with 1 platform than the same rehashed lists we've all seen for years, like if your friends also own only that platform. In general the biggest reason to not go multiplat is due to lack of time or funds, otherwise it's usually about being a brand loyalist. It's my stance today and has been for a very long time. I used to be a huge GT and Sony fanboy until I tried other games and other platforms, including PC. You bring up the the same arguments that has been said for years by extreme Sony fans, like RROD which isn't an issue today, like paying to play online which $60/year isn't a lot, like scratching discs while praising BD's scratch resistant layer, like exclusives 'crushing' the competitions, etc. It's one of those...
I brought up T500RS as being too expensive for what you get because it is in my book. $600 without an Hgate shifter and the FFB works only with GT5 (for now at least) is too expensive even if it's the premier wheel for GT5.
To be on topic, I've always wanted Forza to have more cars on track, even though I think 8 cars is minimum sweet spot to have, more is better. For tracks like the Nascar ovals or long courses like La Sarthe and Nurburgring, more cars on track shows it's advantage moreso than smaller/shorter tracks especially if with not that many laps. If the competition isn't close, La Sarthe and 'ring feel a bit empty. I'm not a big fan of golding licenses, some license tests do get annoying, I think T10 can add a license test of some sorts to unlock certain races (similar to GTs of the past). I do like the special events, so long as they are done right because I still don't get why the TG event w/Lotus Elise has comfort softs on (that car in real life comes only with sport soft type of tires.) The Nurburgring AMG event is very cool in comparison. Weather and night transitions is also a bonus, so long as it's available as a feature on all tracks.
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All visuals and gameplay are a helluva lot better in GT5.
Forza does have a wider customisation though........
-I still prefer Gran Turismo 5, some of the cars in FM3 look like play-doh.
Forza does have a wider customisation though........
-I still prefer Gran Turismo 5, some of the cars in FM3 look like play-doh.
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all is a pretty powerful word.
yes, the premium cars in GT5 are beyond amazing and do make the FM3 cars look "like play dough" when on the right tracks, but none of the standards are up to spec with the FM3 cars. you might want to think they are, but they really aren't. remember that all of the FM3 cars have more rounded fenders, 3D door handles, three dimensional tail and headlamps, interiors, etc. let's not forget that what really makes GT5 look so much better than FM3 (well, when we're talking about premium cars) is the lighting engine in GT5, not the extra polygons in the GT models.
I've had it with this game. No matter how much I try to like it the design is terrible.
The screen tearing, framerate problems and shadows just destroy the game.
The whole grinding XP is awful.
How anyone can think this is better than forza3 is living a pipe dream.
The way the UI works in forza 3 makes it a joy to play instead of the GT5 put together at the lass minute disaster.
Trust me Dan and the Turn10 team, you have nothing to worry about, Forza 4 will kill this game and you have now taken the driving sim crown. All Forza 4 needs is a new lighting engine, please don't try for 1080p or more cars on track.
What have they being doing for 6 years!!!!! The only difference between prologue and this is, 130 more premiums and alot of imported tracks and cars from older GT's.
Where are the leaderboards for F's sake?
The screen tearing, framerate problems and shadows just destroy the game.
The whole grinding XP is awful.
How anyone can think this is better than forza3 is living a pipe dream.
The way the UI works in forza 3 makes it a joy to play instead of the GT5 put together at the lass minute disaster.
Trust me Dan and the Turn10 team, you have nothing to worry about, Forza 4 will kill this game and you have now taken the driving sim crown. All Forza 4 needs is a new lighting engine, please don't try for 1080p or more cars on track.
What have they being doing for 6 years!!!!! The only difference between prologue and this is, 130 more premiums and alot of imported tracks and cars from older GT's.
Where are the leaderboards for F's sake?
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Calling all cars.
GT5 defence force needed in section forza/GT thread.
Poster is armed with facts and he's not afraid to use them.
Proceed with caution.
GT5 defence force needed in section forza/GT thread.
Poster is armed with facts and he's not afraid to use them.
Proceed with caution.
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Only trying to be honest.
This game feels like it was put together by so many different teams and then put into a blender.
I find it hard to believe they played their own game and thought, yeah people are gonna love this.
They tried to hard, tried to be too ambitious but ultimately failed.
I really tried to like it but all you need, is to be honest with yourself and realise that you're not really enjoying it and there are far better games out there.
This game feels like it was put together by so many different teams and then put into a blender.
I find it hard to believe they played their own game and thought, yeah people are gonna love this.
They tried to hard, tried to be too ambitious but ultimately failed.
I really tried to like it but all you need, is to be honest with yourself and realise that you're not really enjoying it and there are far better games out there.
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Um, Forza. Cash cow game with minimal depth aimed at having a life span only as long as it takes them to redesign the whole concept so they can sell it back to you as something equally as noobish the next year.
Like Need for speed. My friend was trying to get me to buy that before GT5 was released, I told him to get lost. Does he or anyone on my friend list even play that game now? No.
Why people want to rush out and throw money at all the worst games with no lifespan is beyond me.
In years from now I will still be playing GT5. They will be up to Forza 100 and would have removed hundreds of dollars from the pockets of the gullible and the weak minded.
Bottom line is GT5 is designed for fans of cars while Forza is designed to appeal to children, arcade racers and the wider noobish population with little taste and even less comprehension of quality.
Such a shame GT5 won't let me put some big tacky noobish vinyls on my car to let everyone know what a noob idiot I am. LOL.
The next installment of Forza will be more of the same more flashy throw away crap. It will never be a FULL game. That doesn't fit their business plan.
GT5 is to racing games what GTA was to adventure. Huge and the new standard by which all other games pale in comparison.
Please stop asking stupid questions like "I'm at level 40, what do I do now?" and "What makes GT5 better then Forza". If you don't know yet then I'm afraid its time to move on.
Like Need for speed. My friend was trying to get me to buy that before GT5 was released, I told him to get lost. Does he or anyone on my friend list even play that game now? No.
Why people want to rush out and throw money at all the worst games with no lifespan is beyond me.
In years from now I will still be playing GT5. They will be up to Forza 100 and would have removed hundreds of dollars from the pockets of the gullible and the weak minded.
Bottom line is GT5 is designed for fans of cars while Forza is designed to appeal to children, arcade racers and the wider noobish population with little taste and even less comprehension of quality.
Such a shame GT5 won't let me put some big tacky noobish vinyls on my car to let everyone know what a noob idiot I am. LOL.
The next installment of Forza will be more of the same more flashy throw away crap. It will never be a FULL game. That doesn't fit their business plan.
GT5 is to racing games what GTA was to adventure. Huge and the new standard by which all other games pale in comparison.
Please stop asking stupid questions like "I'm at level 40, what do I do now?" and "What makes GT5 better then Forza". If you don't know yet then I'm afraid its time to move on.
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So you won't be buying GT6 then?
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