What Racing Games Are Better than GT5?

[AMCNUT]

What comes down to it is what give you the most fun. That's the point of gaming isn't it?

For me fun in a racing game come from being able to get the most realistic driving experience possible, which is what I feel GT5 excels at. If someone is looking more for a good, juicy, complete game surrounding the driving I can see someone going with Forza or NFS or something.

But speaking strictly for myself, I think how a game feels is more important for the fun quotient than all the frills around it.

 

[Calais02]

As far as racing goes Ferrari: The Race Experience from the PSN is better than GT5 - but I am only talking about the racing, not the whole game

 

[Madman Apex]

simbin's GTR-2 and GTR-EVO\RACE-07. older games but you can even export your runs to MoTeC to analys the hell out of your driving and setup. Sure there aren't 600skylines and 400 Miatas but I have over 100 tracks; that's 100 before variations, real and fake.

 

[CarreraGT]

simbin's GTR-2 and GTR-EVO\RACE-07. older games but you can even export your runs to MoTeC to analys the hell out of your driving and setup. Sure there aren't 600skylines and 400 Miatas but I have over 100 tracks; that's 100 before variations, real and fake.

And the great thing about all of those games is that you can constantly download new cars and tracks, but I guess that is just one of the disadvantages of console games.

It's actually quite addictive once you start modding PC sims I must admit

 

[Jacob6875]

So, you're saying that if someone asked you right now to recommend a racing game that they would enjoy you would tell them to buy GT4 or GT3 over GT5?

We're talking about today, not 7 years ago and not next month.

To be honest with you.............. if Gran Turismo 4 had online play it would be a better game hands down.

The only things GT5 has on it are graphics and online play. Neither of which is a giant arguing point though....... of course graphics and online play are going to improve over a 7 year gap. But besides that GT5 isnt that much of an improvement.


O I FORGOT. We have the amazing jeff gordon driving school in GT5. (lol)

 

[sumbrownkid]

For me fun in a racing game come from being able to get the most realistic driving experience possible, which is what I feel GT5 excels at. If someone is looking more for a good, juicy, complete game surrounding the driving I can see someone going with Forza or NFS or something.

But speaking strictly for myself, I think how a game feels is more important for the fun quotient than all the frills around it.

I'm in the same boat as you are. Other racing games feel odd and a bit off when I try them, so it takes away the fun factor a bit.

But it could be that is that I always catch myself comparing other racing games to GT, and never tried them out with an open mindset, devoid of any GT influences.

 

[CarreraGT]

To be honest with you.............. if Gran Turismo 4 had online play it would be a better game hands down.

The only things GT5 has on it are graphics and online play. Neither of which is a giant arguing point though....... of course graphics and online play are going to improve over a 7 year gap. But besides that GT5 isnt that much of an improvement.


O I FORGOT. We have the amazing jeff gordon driving school in GT5. (lol)

The physics are also much better in GT5

 

[brennonyo]

Need for speed has always been pretty solid.

 

[AMCNUT]

I'm in the same boat as you are. Other racing games feel odd and a bit off when I try them, so it takes away the fun factor a bit.

But it could be that is that I always catch myself comparing other racing games to GT, and never tried them out with an open mindset, devoid of any GT influences.

Yes, I suffer from that as well! Everything inevitably gets compared to GT5 and pales... I do like the total customization and livery stuff that games like NFS and Forza (I enjoy both series) but even when I race those game I'm left thinking "In GT I could take a corner like this properly!) But they just don't feel as solid; when I take a corner it feels so much more artificial or overdone.

The bottom line though, is that all the body kits and decals in the world can't make up for pure driving pleasure! GO GT!

 

[maSonn09]

each of the games here does at least a few things better than GT5. I'd also Add Live For Speed in. Despite it's age, online racing and telemetry is much easier and more detailed than GT5. Once LFS finally gets updated graphics, physics and content, I may not bother w/ my PS3 anymore.

Just like i didn't care about GT3 or 4 anymore when I 1st got into LFS

Totally agree. Been playing LFS solid since 2007 and havn't got bored of it. Not many people know about this "sim" but as small as it is, it packs a deadly realism punch.

Want to know more? Link in the sig.

 

[Devedander]

Don't think they said that. For GT5 they said they built most of the game code from the ground up. The Premium cars will last a good 10-20 years before they will need updating as we know screen resolution and hardware won't be 9 times higher in most homes. 1080p will most likely be the standard for the next 10 years and at the moment most TV content is 720p.

Graphically that may be true (although the cockpits on premiums aren't exactly razor sharp HD most of the time) but that ignores additional info that may be utillized in the future... material thickness, weight, strength, plasticity, actual engines modeled, temperature and heat conduction etc... all of those could render the current premium models obsolete.

Future proof is still as much a joke as it was when they made the GT4 cars.

I know most won't be standing still but most will be rehashing the same game code over and over again with little improvements. PD on the other hand will try and raise the bar in the department they concentrate on. I don't think they look over their shoulders at all and competition for them is their old games. They know what they can do and they are going all out to achieve what there vision is.

Why would you think this when empiracal evidence shows that of all the dev groups PD seems to be doing the LEAST major inovating and doing the MOST rehashing of content? You realize people said exactly the same thing leading up to GT5 right?

It seems many people are such hardcore fans of PD that what they KNOW PD will do trumps what PD actually does.

In my opinion they are the hardest working game development team out there. Most consider GT5 to surpass FM3 and that is amazing considering they had a similar development time to Turn 10 (About 4 and 1/2 years) but with half the staff levels. You can believe that some of the guys at PD must be living there and having very long working hours to bridge the gap. It is funny to see people bash GT5 due to the development time but it is more or less identical to the competition. It is like if GT5P was called GT5 and GT5 was called GT6, reviewers would have rated the game much higher due to a name change and fanboys won't take mick out of GT5 due to it. Most people fail to see the real picture.

You are forgetting that they have a decade of experience doing this under their belts... to say they did this in the same amount of time T10 did that is like saying a concert pianist learned a piece in the same time as someone who just started playing the piano a year ago.

Sure they threw out a lot of legacy code for GT5, but they are still building the same product they always have and so their experience is hugely in their favor.

For instance I have been working for decades with computers, if it took me as long to put together a computer as someone who was putting together their third computer ever it wouldn't be that impressive.

 

[Patrocles]

This is mostly a question for those who are "disappointed" with GT5. What racing games are better than GT5?

I can think of none on any platform. I have a 360, a PS3 and a gaming PC. At the moment GT5 is the best overall racing game there is IMO.

I had an iRacing membership but iRacing is way too serious. It has no single player at all, it's very expensive and has very few cars that interest me.

I own FM3. FM3 lacks the variety you have in GT5. There is no weather, day/night, no rally no F1. There is sticky grass on the Nurb and there is a hidden steering assist you cannot remove. Doesn't support my wheel.

I own LFS but I can't deal with the fake cars and horrible graphics.

Dirt 2 is awesome but the car handling is somewhat arcade and there is not much racing variety there.

I'm expecting/hoping Dirt 3 and Shift 2 and FM4 will best GT5 when they are released but that remains to be seen.

Name a better racing game on a console.

OMG...you have to be kidding, yes?


off the top of my head, in no particular order, these games are better racing games than GT5...
FM3
Richard Burns Rally
GTR
GTR2
Race Pro
GTR Evo
iRacing
LFS
Race evo

probably a few more that escape me....
one way that GT5 could catch up to these games would be to simply get rid of the "off-track rubberbanding" That is the term I use for the silly lack of realworld physics when a car goes off the tarmac and onto the grass or gravel traps. In GT5 nothing happens...they guy may lose a few tenths but that is it! rubberbanding at its worst!

 

[porsche 9146]

Are you kidding ? GTFO.
The one thing the million's of people all around the world DO agree on is that GT5 has the BEST car model's of any game. Period.

Even the biggest forza fanboy's concede GT5's car look amazing in 1080p.

again, the (premium) car models in GT5 are better than the car models in FM3, but at the same time, the turn 10 and polyphony digital models were built in the same way and are both far better than what we have in either current game. I'm not afraid to admit that the lighting engine and interior modeling on GT5's premiums are beyond amazing, but at the same time, that doesn't work as a comparison of the full scale models for both series.

 

[Metallifan197]

Try racer on the pc and richard burns rally theyre both great

 

[Destinkeys]

I'd sure like to know what DRIVING has got to do with RACING... Other than being the first step on a VERY long ladder.

GT5 gets that first step right, then messes up just about every subsequent step. Most other games don't get the first step as good (but many come close, and some exceed it) but somehow seem to understand about every OTHER step on the ladder.

A racing game needs TWO primary things. Offline, it needs competitive, responsive AI, and online, it needs good matchmaking and a structure that allows BOTH organized League racing AND good 'random' quick racing.

GT5 has neither.

Enjoy your driving. Me, I'm waiting to RACE!

 

[Zimzallabim90]

yeah richard burns rally blows any other rally game out of the water including the dirt series and especially gt5's "rally". the graphics are a bit dated but the physics are amazing. it's a steal too at like $10 on amazon plus all the free mod content online. rfactor is another cheap but great racing game

 

[t.o.]

The bottom line though, is that all the body kits and decals in the world can't make up for pure driving pleasure! GO GT!

That's your opinion. My bottom line though, is that all the 1000 cars and nice physics can't make up for pure racing pleasure! GO WHOEVER BRINGS IT! (Right now it's FM3 for me till I get a PC to play some of those games and then judge)

I was away from the forums for a couple of hours, I just got finished racing my my group's weekly "Forza Wednesday Mid-Engine Challenge" series. Intense, nerve-wracking, door-to-door close quarters racing on Motegi East. It was an ABSOLUTE BLAST. Guys were getting it on tonight for sure. I messed up and ground my gears in one heat but was able to get through the race no prob. Caught a little aero damage in another which hurt me but not to the extent of catastrophe. My teammate was running hard and I let him pass to soften up one guy who was giving me problems trying to pass him. It was all there (we won tonight overall in our 5 heat race - yes the game actually has heats as an option and tallies up the places and podiums after all is said and done, and yes your teammate is your teammate, we were blue team and everything is scored accordingly). Our race has a staggered start (yes you can put in staggered starts and by how long) so we spread out just a bit but the racing gets close quick enough. THAT'S what I mean by RACING.

 

[Madman Apex]

It's actually quite addictive once you start modding PC sims I must admit

that is the only thing that I look forward to now that they have begun to hack GT5. Modding.

 

[t.o.]

that is the only thing that I look forward to now that they have begun to hack GT5. Modding.

Say what?

 

[CarreraGT]

Call me crazy, but overall I preferred GT5 Prologue as a game. Obviously it didn't have anywhere near the content of GT5 but I thought the races, the menus and most importantly, the AI were all better than GT5.

I remember being blown away when I first played it and I was still doing arcade races right up until GT5's release. Now in GT5 I can't bare to do arcade races because somehow the AI is worse and the "kicking a cardboard box" collision sounds are so off putting it's ridiculous.

I guess I had high expectations for GT5 after playing Prologue, but if anything the demo made the final product look worse... How does that work?

 

[Tenacious D]

GT6

WIN!!

(1)With ABS set to 1 GT5 and FM3 are not that much different from each other, honestly. And while you're are right there are things GT5 does that FM3 doesn't the one thing that FM3 does do that GT5 doesn't is be a racing game. (2)FM3 lends itself to racing, GT5 does not.

1. Well, that's your opinion, but my hands disagree.

2. (When I'm not writing or messing with synthesizers) I'm racing non-stop in GT5. Offline against bots. I'm very happy with it.

Honestly, other people can have their games, that's fine, but for me, nothing else feels as cool and smooth and slick as a Gran Turismo game.

 

[Basilea]

Can you name a game that has a better blend of physics and car selection? Yeah, there are some missing cars (as with all games) but compared to every other game GT5 has far more cars, even if you count out some very similar ones. And I don't care for interior views when I'm racing so it's a moot point for me, at least. Also, there would be a ton more complaining if the standards simply weren't included, right?

I doubt that! We would only complain about the lack of cars...

 

[CarreraGT]

I doubt that! We would only complain about the lack of cars...

I think that's what he meant...

 

[panjandrum]

GT4 comes to mind as the most obvious answer. Quantitatively better in any number of ways (more tracks, more variety in style of tracks, Lan mode, vastly better A-Spec career mode, better menu navigation etc.)

But really, from an unbiased point of view, there are a lot of good racing sims out there now, and lot of good "hybrid" sim/arcade racers, (and probably some good pure arcade-racers too, if you are into that kind of thing). They tend to have their own strengths and weaknesses.

 

[Destinkeys]

Here's GT5 real world track selection:

Fuji Speedway
Fuji Speedway　F
Fuji Speedway GT

Suzuka Circuit
Suzuka Circuit (Weather)
Suzuka Circuit East Course

Daytona International Speedway
Superspeedway – Daytona
Road Course – Daytona

Tsukuba Circuit
Tsukuba Circuit

Circuit de la Sarthe
Circuit de la Sarthe 2009 (Time / Weather)
Circuit de la Sarthe 2009 No Chicane
Circuit de la Sarthe 2005
Circuit de la Sarthe 2005 No Chicane

Nürburgring
Nürburgring Nordschleife (Time)
Nürburgring GP/F
Nürburgring 24h (Time / Weather)
Nürburgring GP/D
Nürburgring typeV

Indianapolis Motorspeedway
Superspeedway – Indy
Road Course – Indy

Autodromo Nazionale Monza
Autodromo Nazionale Monza (Weather)
Autodromo Nazionale Monza No Chicane

The Top Gear Test Track

Laguna Seca Raceway

Here's Shift 2 Unleashed's:

Automotodrom Brno
Autodromo Di Pergusa (GP)
Autodromo Nazionale di Monza (GP)
Autopolis International Racing Course (GP+Lakeside)
Brands Hatch (GP+Indy)
Circuit de Catalunya (GP+National+School)
Circuit Spa-Francorchamps (GP)
Circuit Zolder (GP)
Donington Park (GP+National)
Dubai Autodrome (GP+International+National+Club)
Ebisu Circuit (West+South+Togue)
HockenheimRing (GP+Short+TBA)
Mazda Raceway Laguna Seca (GP)
Motorsport Arena Oschersleben (GP+B Course)
Mount Panorama Circuit Bathurst (GP)
Nürburgring (GP+Sprint+Nordschleife+TBA)
Road America (GP)
Silverstone Circuit (GP+National+International)
Suzuka Circuit (GP+East+West)
Toyota Speedway at Irwindale (Speedway+TBA)
Willow Springs Raceway (GP+Horse Thief Mile)

That's 22 SEPARATE locations (not counting variants) to 11 in GT5, and personally, because it is a figure-8, I don't count TGTT as a race track. So, over DOUBLE GT5's selection.

I don't know about you, but I'd rather have Shift2's track count than GT5's car count.

 

[Glitter]

Can you name a game that has a better blend of physics and car selection? Yeah, there are some missing cars (as with all games) but compared to every other game GT5 has far more cars, even if you count out some very similar ones. And I don't care for interior views when I'm racing so it's a moot point for me, at least. Also, there would be a ton more complaining if the standards simply weren't included, right?

Also, I am still convinced that GT has the best driving feel... everything else I've played is so arcade-like in comparison. It shows that PD but a great deal of effort into making it simply the best. And at the end of the day, how a car drives is one of (arguably THE most important) traits in a game, so it makes it a great deal easier to deal with GT5's flaws because they don't matter if I'm behind the wheel! (which is most of the time)

Rfactor, netkar pro, iracing, gtr2...... Much better physics and realism. Maybe you haven't tried them but i recommend that you do. If you think gt5 has good physics you will get blown away by those games

 

[RugerGuy]

I liked Need for Speed Shift. To me the ultimate race game would be some amalgamation or hybrid of Shift and GT5.

 

[MowTin]

Shift 2 is not out yet. How can you know what it will be like? So you can't vote for shift 2.

 

[Minardi]

The topic titles says 'race' and 'game' . You can say a lot about GT5, but those 2 things are lacking in GT5 If you ask me. If I look now at the past 2-3 months which games I have played the most(I play only race games/raceseat/G25, about 3-4 hours a week), GT5 doesn't come near.

Supercar Challenge/Ferrari the Race Experience.
Physics/Handling/Driving Feel is great. One make matched races on line and off line. AI is not very good, but better than GT5. Great track choice, nice cars. Nice rewarding learning curve.

Superstars V8 Next Challenge;
AI is brilliant. AND, you can add AI on line, which is a great future. Nice track selection. Handling/physics is not up to par with GT5, but GT5 lacks the touring cars, tracks, AI and full race weekends.

WRC the Game
A must have If you like rally. Decent physics, graphics a little lacking maybe, but very good on line mode and off line modes and nice car selection. Dedicated WRC championship.

F1 2010
Great graphics, great racing feel, nice on line and off line modes.

And than comes GT5. What can I say. Yes, the driving is great, the most fun I have is practicing with a car someone was so kind to give me. And that is about It, what can I do with that car ? Arcade ? Opposition doesn't match. On line ? Yes, If you find some friends with a similar car and BHP/weight. In the meantime I have qualified and raced in Spa with F1 2010 for example.

A lot comes down to time. All the other games I mentioned give me instant racing pleasure, with GT5 that is something different. Yes, graphics/handling/physics are great but there is something missing that prevents me from playing other games. You all will understand, otherwise you wouldn't be reading this thread.

 

[TheFlyingKiwi]

As of the moment im writing this only F1 can match GT5 in terms of racing sim. As a racing game Hot pursuit is the best hands down. But I like to differentiate the two (sim/arcade) so a rival to GT5 is probably only F12010. A rival game would broaden the competitor list to the likes of Hot Pursuit, and whatever else there is.