What Racing Games Are Better than GT5?
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- PhantomSmitz
For me GT5 is top...I ignore some of the flaws but I love it with my G25. Earlier in the post there us a mention of F1 2010 and having that also is such an ace game...have to be on the ball all the while. I got TDU2 on release and it's ok...I just find it arcadish but loves the first one and liking the second...but as some others have said, I've always returned to GT5 
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i remember those days, but even that the time lost by the mini on the straight over a lap is still just a second or two, it wasn't a day and night difference like in GT5, I often have to pick a car 6 seconds a lap slower then the opposition to have a balanced race.
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I believe you can do all the things they claimed here: http://eu.gran-turismo.com/gb/products/gt5/
Sure they had some ideas going before release about what to include and had to pull some like YouTube Upload due to it taking too long to convert. I was skeptical how they would go about doing this as, either they would need some dedicated servers to decode and encode the replays and then upload to YouTube or require users to have high-speed Internet Upload and leave there PS3 on for quite sometime. Kaz said they might include this feature later on. Leaderboards is one which people might expect since GT5
and I'm unhappy about PD not including from the start but if it was a problem of organising the leaderboards due to 1000 cars, many tracks, mileage differences in-cars then it will be good if they do it right. I'm hoping they expand the Arcade Mode similar to GT4 and then you can drive stock versions of all cars provided it is unlocked due to being in your GT Life Garage.t.o.
Fundamentals take a long time to get right. The core building blocks are mostly in place with GT5 in terms of game engine. The premium cars could take a decade or more to get to the car count of GT5.
Building a better game will not take much longer over GT5 now that the fundamentals are in place. We know PD can make good games such as GT4, they can implement leaderboards such as in GT5P, they know what real racing is (Game Videos) and know it will be a difficult place to get close to that sensation. For PD's vision to be executed it will require a lot of time and new hardware. The "fantasy stuff" as you put it I see just as a logical sequence for me. Like Kaz says "Things are just getting started". I was never expecting GT5 to be the game I long for. I was already thinking about the GT I would like to play and when realistically I think they will achieve what I would like in a GT game. This is after GT:HD got released. I knew they don't hardware power or the time to execute all that most of us want in that time.
If GT6 is released on PS3 then I expect the AI to get better but the game to be better overall in general. I expect GT6 to be a hybrid / cross platform game with the PSP2 and PS3.
Now about our PM discussion, I don't see how it would add any fuel to the fire, I'm not changing my stance from the PMs at all, you are keeping to your stance and how you view things. Also I would like to end that my "fantasy" of how GT series will plan out is just as much of a pipe dream as your sig:
"People can be married to whatever game they like, I'd rather stay a bachelor and "play the field". But I won't stand by while someone criticizes one of "my babes" because she might be flat-chested while their "wife" has two front teeth missing and a bald spot."
My personal opinion is you may try and "play the field" but you are married to Forza and abusing one of your babes by constantly criticizing it. Heck you are sticking up for the Microsoft wheel compared to the Logitech wheels out. I haven't used it myself but from reviews and peoples experiences, the Logitech GT wheel beats it hands down. I will use your style of writing to counter, What's your excuse Microsoft for discontinuing the ONLY official Microsoft / XBox branded wheel on the market?
Word is Kinect is the new official one
.Heads up to anyone in the UK who wants a decent racing game for the 360, Forza 3 Ultimate Collection (Most of the DLC included) for only £6.99 at GameStation
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- jugglingj0hn
I didnt read the thread at all, but youre all wrong, whatever your opinions are. The best racing game of all time of a little 2003 activision gem called "Big Rigs: Over the Road Racing."
You cant beat the physics, the level of immersion, and just the fun factor that only "18 wheels of thunder" could deliver.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Rigs:_Over_the_Road_Racing
You cant beat the physics, the level of immersion, and just the fun factor that only "18 wheels of thunder" could deliver.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Rigs:_Over_the_Road_Racing
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- Duisburg
Well, there's one thing I'm pretty sure about:
If that Big Rigs thing wore the GT badge, someone would find something nice to say about it.
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- UKOG-jonboy
- jonboy1066
I have an XBox and a PS 3 and have been running online league races with UKOG since ToCA Race Driver2 on the PS2 over 5 years ago.
In that time we have had league races with:
ToCA Race Driver 2
ToCA Race Driver 3
Forza 2
Ferrari Challenge
RACE Pro
Forza 3
F1 2010 (XBox and PS3)
and now are running a league with GT5
The answer to the simple question "What racing games are better than GT5?" is not a simple one but in my opinion
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ToCA Race Driver 2 = Better real world racing championships and conditions, Better Track Packages.
ToCA Race Driver 3 = Better real world racing championships and conditions, Better Track Packages.
Forza 2 = Better AI, better progression, better non racing features
Ferrari Challenge = Better Force Feedback, Better AI, Better Tracks
RACE Pro = Better Physics, Better AI, Better Tracks, Better competetiveness and progression through the game
Forza 3 = In many ways better Graphics, In some condidtions better Physics, Better Progresion
F1 2010 = Better AI, More Challenging Progression, Better graphics in the important ways better real world conditions, better weather charachteristics.
Are all better racing games than GT5 even going back further GT1, GT2, GT3, GTProlouge, GT4, GTConcept, Tourist Trophy, GT5Prolouge, ToCA Touring Cars, ToCA Touring Cars2, ToCA World Touring Cars, ToCA Race Driver and MarioKart Wii all provided more fun, more challenging or more realistic racing than GT5 which is a majorly disappointng sham of an offline game.
However Online:
The only one I can think of that I've played that was better online as an all round package was Forza 2 with it's custom public lobby races.
GT5's Open lobbies are very unstable at the moment but the private rooms are working very well for me and I like very much the way the weight, Horsepower, and assists levels can be locked. And I very much like the way the damage works.
I wish they'd sort the physics out so that not just ClubSport Pedal users can brake without ABS and everyone elses peripheral of choice didn't turn the brake pedal/trigger into a switch.
The other games all have certain features in their online mode which stand out as better than the others but o far I think GT5 has managed to make the best hash of cobbling together what's good about all of the games above and incorperating that into their game.
It could be a lot better though and I think this is it for me. Once I'm done with GT5 I will be very seriously considering iRacing and dropping the whole console racing scene entirely.
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I remember seeing this video a long time ago. It was a very well tested game
The title "What Racing Games Are Better than GT5?" really depends on what you class a racing game as? Some point out offline racing as poor in GT5 due to AI which makes it in peoples' minds a poor racing game, however they might then point out iRacing as a better racing game even when it is online-only when it comes to racing.
GT5 for me as a big package is the best recent game out there if you talking about simulation racing games. It is still the top dog in the simulation games department, it is biggest selling simulation game, because it represents very good value for money. It is constantly evolving and tomorrow we shall see a greater GT5.
rFactor 2 is the one to watch as one that could be one of the best PC sim games for a long time if they can make it look better and be more accessible with better wheel support. This month I've played more of rFactor 1 than GT5, and I find the physics on the BMW Sauber 2007 F1 feel just right. Much better than the other mods I've tried but you don't get the same immersion or relation to the real life onboards as the BMW Sauber 2007 F1 car.
Finally you could class only the GT series and Forza series as the only recent simulation racing games, as the PC sims don't really have the usual career or events but it is all down to how you interpret what a game is. F1 2010 is a good arcadey sim game but it can get boring due to driving around the same tracks with very similar cars for 7 seasons. The lap times are way off to real life too, I use rFactor as a game to remind me of the track before watching a GP as I can relate very closely to where I brake and how fast my lap times are compared to the real world. F1 2010 you can't really do that but it is still great fun.
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See this part made no sense. What does a pipe dream and my sig have to do with each other? Nothing, but it's just a way to argue a point and argue something, anything just because. I stand by my sig. I don't know about you guys but I DO NOT buy games I have no interest in. I don't have any interest in Shift, thus I didn't buy it. I don't post on their forums. I don't comment on it, same with TDU and other titles. So if you guys think I bought this game just so I can come to the boards and argue you're quite mistaken. Some people may do that, I personally think it's stupid and a waste of money. You really have to have NO life to buy a game and play it just to have "rights" to diss it on a forum. But I DO understand the guy who's very interested in a game, plays it, sees the shortcomings and feels some disappointment and the comes to the forums to talk about it only to see people proclaiming Jesus himself made the game and it crushes all others like they don't exist and he expresses where the game does well and where the game needs help and then have to read replies from people as if he doesn't know what he's talking about.
Like people who can defend the damage model in this game. I commend them for having some type of damage. I mean something is better than nothing, but the damage model leaves ALOT to be desired. No way I want PD to say "Ok , I guess this is good enough, the people seem to like it and think it's ok". No it's not, it needs PLENTY or work but you have people actually defending it like it beats all other damage in any game.
And you know it. People would be saying it's the best thing since sliced bread.
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I agree that buying a game purely to criticize it is usually people who have nothing better to do. However you are failing to acknowledge that most of the shortcomings of the game is already been discussed about and acknowledged, there is a dedicated feedback forum on the issues in the game and what the game needs to do better. GT5 by PD’s standard from GT4 is a poor game in comparison. I don’t see why you constantly deny your love for Forza, you seem full of praise for it and with GT5 every time you have the chance to have a dig at it you do. You mainly play Forza, you say it is a game where you play leagues and how many years for? I don’t think I’ve heard you play any other game, probably F1 2010 but your racing gaming experience is primarily Forza by the sounds of it and pretty much the only game you will defend while constantly bashing one of your "babes".
I only defend GT5 when it comes to unjust rival bashing and when people like you claim that Forza’s mechanical and visual damage is on another level compared to GT when it is clearly not. If you read the forums you will see GTPlanet is a community that has many members who openly criticize the game, PD can see it themselves, there is a lot less praise articles of GT5 on these forums than there is bashing articles. Quite a lot of them most people can agree with such as the levelling system forcing a lot of grinding to level up. Die hard fanboys might defend the game to death but I only defend it when people make unjust claims such as PD are lazy, slow, damage system is much rubbish than say Forza and whatever I deem unjust in my opinion and I can provide some factual evidence to back it up.
Some people may say it is better than sliced bread but there are very few die-hard fan boys on here from my experience here on GTPlanet.
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I agree with you that SBKX is a great racing game, but it may be too serious for non-motorcyclist. Arcade mode is somewhat inviting for novice, but the game is still all track oriented. Most people will want road bikes and public roads to ride on. That'll prob never come to fruition in the SBK series.
Can't wait for SBK11 release!
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rFactor?
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Just change your tires. Tires are the real difficulty level in GT5.
After racing good drivers online (especially Iracing) I find all racing games AI are very poor in comparison.
It's interesting to see so many complain about GT5 AI here when I saw a lot of complaining about F1 2010 AI in CM forum but here it's so wonderful. The one good thing about F1 2010 is there's a AI mod for the PC version.
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- tribolik
Well if they didnt hear about it they sure will when Foraz 4 and Shift 2 are released... because I think they are going to have their butts kicked real good....
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Are those all for the PC? Admittedly, I've never heard of any of them save for iRacing, but I've always found PC racers to be a tad sterile with driving physics and lacking in graphics. I just find the ones I've played lacking in overall immersion compared to GT. But ultimately I guess I'm in little position to pass a final judgement until I've tried the ones you mention.
Still, I feel confident in saying that GT has pretty 🤬 good physics regardless of what it's compared to on other platforms, even if it might not be the best. I still swear by it!
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I'm sure they will be people disappointed with both FM4 and Shift 2 when they come out.
Why should you have to alter your performance downward and affect your handling just so a weak AI can be competitive?
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- GTP_SEMS
As A Complete Package GT5 is the best Console Game in the Racing Genre .The AI is Bad but Not Horrible Buying a Used under Powered car and beating The AI with small Margains is huge fun but most people tend to favour the Easy Money (they have every right )Other Games like Forza ,HP3,Shift ,Dirt ,etc...... Are Brilliant games that we all should Buy but they are Not a better Overall Package of a game in the Racing genre .The Future looks Bright as mentioned with upcoming games this Year and also Mark My Words GT6 will Be the Best Racer in History GT5 is full of bugs and faults that PD are documenting so Although still to early to talk about it but I can't wait for GT6.
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Many racing games (as well as other games) add difficulty by adding limitations to the player or/and boosting the AI. For example F1 2010 you can change the AI level yet the AI still make the exact same mistakes at the same corners. They only increase their overall lap times. This is why AI can not be competitive like real people who can actually "learn" and improve their lap times.
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I can't think of any game that inflicts more difficult handling on the player as a way to increase difficulty. Driver aids are typically user defined, not enforced. Now you can certainly that as you increase the AI difficulty (even if they make the same mistakes but just get faster), that you actually have to turn aids off to gain speed. But to scrub speed? No way.
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- Reaper7411
Somebody *please* correct me if I'm wrong.
It's my impression that it's basically Ferrari Challenge + the dlc, a couple new cars and some minor tweaks.
When I was checking it out I found myself over on the eutechnyx forum where they were giving it the extremely cold shoulder, telling people that they don't support it and locking the topic. It's always a good day for a publisher when your developer does that. My take is that it's something system 3 is doing on their own, repackaging the old and cutting the initial developer out of the loop.
At least there is a discount for Ferrari Challenge owners.
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But both of those are AI being changed. Your original suggestion was "change tires" followed by "Many racing games (as well as other games) add difficulty by adding limitations to the player ". Both are direct implications on the human, not the AI.
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