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So wats the final conclusion guys?
Which is overall better?
Which is overall better?
Which is Faster Supra or skyline..??
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it's matter of taste. and once you get used to GT-R's, they're Brilliant cars. especially R32's, followed by R34. and, in real life, if I would have 800hp engine in a car, I'd take AWD for traction. I do not want to end up into tyre shop owners last will.. 
that's for RWD drivers.
that's for RWD drivers.- 55
wat type of skyline u talking about?????? well in custom tuning a skyline (R33) and supra i can get the supra to run 434kph where the skyline (R33) 370kph.
But the (R33) handles betta for me then Supra.
But the (R33) handles betta for me then Supra.
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SonzillaI wonder if the new GT game will feature the New Supra..
There is no new Supra, it's been replaced by the new FJ Cruiser
Its a concept of the next Supra.
here is the FJ cruiser. 
http://toyota20032004.free.fr/images/japon/toyota/2003_fj-cruiser_7.jpg
here is the FJ cruiser.
http://toyota20032004.free.fr/images/japon/toyota/2003_fj-cruiser_7.jpg
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Doesn't the Ford Lightning Pickup in GT4 share the same base Engine as the Ford GT ?
(I heard this on Top Gear in the UK so it could well be some form of English humour.)
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Skyline vs Supra.
Another test. I actually expected the R33 Skyline to be faster than the Supra RZ. They have the same sort of power and weight, but the main differences are;
1 Four wheel drive on the Skyline.
2 Sleek aerodynamics on the Supra
Skyline GT-R (R33) 1997
320 bhp Power (6800) 309ft/lb Torque(4400)
After fresh oil
336 bhp Power (6800) 325ft/lb Torque(4400)
1530kg
"10,380" Value
The guy at the second hand shop said the car was Black but it looked like the shade of some 40 year old Goths outfit. very washed out. Little did I know this would be the signature of the car.
I ran the car in the Japanese championship and picked a nice grid.
GT-R V-SpecII (00) - (405BHP - running SM tyres)
WRX STi Ver 6 (99)
RX8 Type S
NSX Type S Zero (98)
RX7 Spirit
(155A-spec)
At Fuji the car had its Driver aids still on and the car felt sloppy and muted. Even with the oil change the car was out gunend on the straights by the Subaru and the Honda the other Skyline. In the slower stuff the car did have better brakes and even thoguh I didn't enjoy the turning ability of the car it was better than the other cars.
1'44.5 Best lap
8'53 Race time (3rd place 4.4 seconds behind the winner)
Tsukuba
I ripped out the Nissan nanny electronic anti driving settings. and the car became more enjoyable, but still not as good as I would like. Understeer was an issue in corners in fact the car seemed to slide alot more than I expected. However it was enough to actually win the 10 lap race here.
1'03.4 FL
10'47.7 Race(1st 7.6 seconds ahead of the rest)
Tokyo R246
Lost out big time in terms of top speed but made it all up and change in the braking areas. Maybe the fact it never got that much of a head of steam up made it easier to take certain critical corners flat out?
1'57.1 FL
10'02.7 (1st win by 2.3 seconds)
Motegi
Topsy turvy race, the car had the usual issues getting up to speed, and lost out in every high speed area, but could reel them in in the heavy brake zones. But the other cars were in trouble here, the RX7 and the Subaru going off road several times. The NSX made it past with a lap to go and puleld out 4 seconds in the final lap. The Skyline had nothing left to give.
2'12.1 FL
9'02.4 Race (2nd 4.5 behind NSX)
Suzuka
The Subaru should have won and the NSX should have been second but in some bizarre accident the Subaru ran off track and returned to the asphalt facing the wrong way... the NSX tried real hard to miss but the Impreza was going for an artistic impression bonus points after the technical merit of the toe loop at Degner II.
My Skyline took the lead but the slow starting RX-7 came to the party and breezed past after Spoon, and helds its own into Casio.
2'26.2 FL
9'52.7 Race (2nd 1.4 Behind RX7)
***End of Skyline Test***
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Supra RZ (1997)
326 bhp Power (5600) 393ft/lb Torque(3600)
After fresh oil
342 bhp Power (5600) 412ft/lb Torque(3600)
1510kg
"9,328"Value
Now that is what you call Black! (Take note Nissan!) - then again have you seen Super Red IV - Tomita Samma, sort it out! The car looks powerful and sleek. Not some Steroid fueled female powerlifter Skyline.
If I had to compare the looks of them then...
Eddie "Skyline" Izzard Action Transvestite Comic - Bloke in a dress.
Serena "Supra" Williams the Tennis player, Athletic but also graceful.
Fuji
Luck was with me as not only did I get the very same set of AI grid cars but they also occupied the same grid slots! A-spec? 120points.
So GT4 seems to think the Supra is quite alot better than the Skyline and is much more of a bargain when you buy/sell it. (Value wise the Supra is cheaper than the GT-R)
With the Toyota Anti driving "aids" still on the car hit the track. And felt better than the Skyline did without! The driver aids did spoil the lap the car powering down in a corner where I wanted some tyre slip to power round. despite this the Toyota had more than enough in every area to dispatch the other cars that the Skyline coulnd't beat.
1'41.5 FL
8'41.0 Race (1st 6.5 Seconds in the lead)
Tsukuba
Driver aids turned off The car now had low speed wheelspin out of slow corners, enough to improve rotation out of corners, but not to the levels a Griffith or a Viper would. Very easy to control. The difference between the Skyline isn't just in terms of "miles per hour" but also "smiles per hour". I enjoy a smidge of oversteer, in corners I prefer to caress the steering through a sweep rather than get full lock and the car not respond.
1'02.3
10'37.4 1st by a huge margin
Tokyo R246
Alot of "POWAH" wheelspin on the line from "Leadfoot" Ootsuka but once into the race everything went well the car felt fast needed 6th gear for the big straight and was just fun all lap.
1'54.4
9'53.3 Race (1st 7.8 ahead of pack)
Motegi
Relaxed in this race and made an error or two on the final lap so the best lap isn't as good as it should be. The Supra is faster in a straight line but still slowe rthan the AI grid here with the NSX and the RX7 standing out as fast cars and the Impreza not wasting time either.
2'11.4 FL
8'56.2 Race (1st 3.7 Ahead of pack)
Suzuka
Again a race that highlighted the AI grid is pretty fast but the Supra felt pretty good all race. No AI to duel with once the lead was taken.
2'22.8 FL
9'40.6 Race ( 1st 2.3 up on the NSX)
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Fuji
Supra 3 seconds faster over a flying lap and 12 seconds faster over the race distance
Tsukuba
Supra 1.1 seconds faster over a flying lap and 10.3 seconds faster over the race distance
Tokyo R246
Supra 2.7 seconds faster over a flying lap and 9.4 seconds faster over the race distance
Motegi
Supra 0.7 of a second faster over a flying lap and 6.2 seconds faster over the race distance
Suzuka
Supra 3.4 seconds faster over a flying lap and 12.1 seconds faster over the race distance
Over the 70 mile championship the Supra was 50 seconds faster
47'48.5 Supra (2868.5) = 101.7%
48'38.5 Skyline (2918.5) = 98.3%
(I heard this on Top Gear in the UK so it could well be some form of English humour.)
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Skyline vs Supra.
Another test. I actually expected the R33 Skyline to be faster than the Supra RZ. They have the same sort of power and weight, but the main differences are;
1 Four wheel drive on the Skyline.
2 Sleek aerodynamics on the Supra
Skyline GT-R (R33) 1997
320 bhp Power (6800) 309ft/lb Torque(4400)
After fresh oil
336 bhp Power (6800) 325ft/lb Torque(4400)
1530kg
"10,380" Value
The guy at the second hand shop said the car was Black but it looked like the shade of some 40 year old Goths outfit. very washed out. Little did I know this would be the signature of the car.
I ran the car in the Japanese championship and picked a nice grid.
GT-R V-SpecII (00) - (405BHP - running SM tyres)
WRX STi Ver 6 (99)
RX8 Type S
NSX Type S Zero (98)
RX7 Spirit
(155A-spec)
At Fuji the car had its Driver aids still on and the car felt sloppy and muted. Even with the oil change the car was out gunend on the straights by the Subaru and the Honda the other Skyline. In the slower stuff the car did have better brakes and even thoguh I didn't enjoy the turning ability of the car it was better than the other cars.
1'44.5 Best lap
8'53 Race time (3rd place 4.4 seconds behind the winner)
Tsukuba
I ripped out the Nissan nanny electronic anti driving settings. and the car became more enjoyable, but still not as good as I would like. Understeer was an issue in corners in fact the car seemed to slide alot more than I expected. However it was enough to actually win the 10 lap race here.
1'03.4 FL
10'47.7 Race(1st 7.6 seconds ahead of the rest)
Tokyo R246
Lost out big time in terms of top speed but made it all up and change in the braking areas. Maybe the fact it never got that much of a head of steam up made it easier to take certain critical corners flat out?
1'57.1 FL
10'02.7 (1st win by 2.3 seconds)
Motegi
Topsy turvy race, the car had the usual issues getting up to speed, and lost out in every high speed area, but could reel them in in the heavy brake zones. But the other cars were in trouble here, the RX7 and the Subaru going off road several times. The NSX made it past with a lap to go and puleld out 4 seconds in the final lap. The Skyline had nothing left to give.
2'12.1 FL
9'02.4 Race (2nd 4.5 behind NSX)
Suzuka
The Subaru should have won and the NSX should have been second but in some bizarre accident the Subaru ran off track and returned to the asphalt facing the wrong way... the NSX tried real hard to miss but the Impreza was going for an artistic impression bonus points after the technical merit of the toe loop at Degner II.
My Skyline took the lead but the slow starting RX-7 came to the party and breezed past after Spoon, and helds its own into Casio.
2'26.2 FL
9'52.7 Race (2nd 1.4 Behind RX7)
***End of Skyline Test***
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Supra RZ (1997)
326 bhp Power (5600) 393ft/lb Torque(3600)
After fresh oil
342 bhp Power (5600) 412ft/lb Torque(3600)
1510kg
"9,328"Value
Now that is what you call Black! (Take note Nissan!) - then again have you seen Super Red IV - Tomita Samma, sort it out! The car looks powerful and sleek. Not some Steroid fueled female powerlifter Skyline.
If I had to compare the looks of them then...
Eddie "Skyline" Izzard Action Transvestite Comic - Bloke in a dress.
Serena "Supra" Williams the Tennis player, Athletic but also graceful.
Fuji
Luck was with me as not only did I get the very same set of AI grid cars but they also occupied the same grid slots! A-spec? 120points.
So GT4 seems to think the Supra is quite alot better than the Skyline and is much more of a bargain when you buy/sell it. (Value wise the Supra is cheaper than the GT-R)
With the Toyota Anti driving "aids" still on the car hit the track. And felt better than the Skyline did without! The driver aids did spoil the lap the car powering down in a corner where I wanted some tyre slip to power round. despite this the Toyota had more than enough in every area to dispatch the other cars that the Skyline coulnd't beat.
1'41.5 FL
8'41.0 Race (1st 6.5 Seconds in the lead)
Tsukuba
Driver aids turned off The car now had low speed wheelspin out of slow corners, enough to improve rotation out of corners, but not to the levels a Griffith or a Viper would. Very easy to control. The difference between the Skyline isn't just in terms of "miles per hour" but also "smiles per hour". I enjoy a smidge of oversteer, in corners I prefer to caress the steering through a sweep rather than get full lock and the car not respond.
1'02.3
10'37.4 1st by a huge margin
Tokyo R246
Alot of "POWAH" wheelspin on the line from "Leadfoot" Ootsuka but once into the race everything went well the car felt fast needed 6th gear for the big straight and was just fun all lap.
1'54.4
9'53.3 Race (1st 7.8 ahead of pack)
Motegi
Relaxed in this race and made an error or two on the final lap so the best lap isn't as good as it should be. The Supra is faster in a straight line but still slowe rthan the AI grid here with the NSX and the RX7 standing out as fast cars and the Impreza not wasting time either.
2'11.4 FL
8'56.2 Race (1st 3.7 Ahead of pack)
Suzuka
Again a race that highlighted the AI grid is pretty fast but the Supra felt pretty good all race. No AI to duel with once the lead was taken.
2'22.8 FL
9'40.6 Race ( 1st 2.3 up on the NSX)
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Fuji
Supra 3 seconds faster over a flying lap and 12 seconds faster over the race distance
Tsukuba
Supra 1.1 seconds faster over a flying lap and 10.3 seconds faster over the race distance
Tokyo R246
Supra 2.7 seconds faster over a flying lap and 9.4 seconds faster over the race distance
Motegi
Supra 0.7 of a second faster over a flying lap and 6.2 seconds faster over the race distance
Suzuka
Supra 3.4 seconds faster over a flying lap and 12.1 seconds faster over the race distance
Over the 70 mile championship the Supra was 50 seconds faster
47'48.5 Supra (2868.5) = 101.7%
48'38.5 Skyline (2918.5) = 98.3%
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Mayuri Ootsuka
I don't know how you got those power numbers after an oil change. Either it's because of the different GT (UK) (PAL) version I don't know, or you gave it some engine mods.
Second why did you not pick the Vspec it's better. Vspec comes with more power and has better handling characteristics thus why it's a Vspec. And would be a more fair comparison. The RZ is that in the same way with it's year and model. Unless you don't have that car in your version.
Mayuri Ootsuka
Uh what Nissan electronics are you referring to. If it's the driving aids it's automatically set for every car and not only the skyline. Second skylines never even came with ASM's or TCS not for that year anyhow. Thus that's why in my test I turned them off.
I drove the 319hp 308tq R33 GTR and beat all the races in the Japanese Championship and had close but all faster laps then the ones you posted for the GTR. With the same cars you raced against.
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zefffIts a concept of the next Supra.
here is the FJ cruiser.
ooooh ok...still...it's bloody horrible lol...FJ Cruiser ain't so bad
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it's all about the driver and his/hers biasedness, that's all what I say. I'm biased towards GT-R's ( it kinda shows, doesn't it 
), and since I've driven them much, I know how to extract the best performance from them.
IF we do honest comparison, comparing 6.2 mile R34 GT-R to 6.2 mile Supra RZ ( in order to have balanced competition ), it's quite much even. I've said this before, and I say it again: Stock against stock, corners belong to GT-R and straights to Supra. Tuned against tuned, GT-R will win in both areas because it can maintain traction and is easy to drive on the limit despite power hike. ( I did tests ages ago with both cars.)
Before Toyota's loyal defenders start flaming, I also say that I've driven Supra RZ more than enough to know how it handles and I really respect it's abilities. Without doubt it's one of the best japanese RWD's, but in the end, it's severely limited because of it's RWD layout, especially when tuned beyond 900bhp.
), and since I've driven them much, I know how to extract the best performance from them. IF we do honest comparison, comparing 6.2 mile R34 GT-R to 6.2 mile Supra RZ ( in order to have balanced competition ), it's quite much even. I've said this before, and I say it again: Stock against stock, corners belong to GT-R and straights to Supra. Tuned against tuned, GT-R will win in both areas because it can maintain traction and is easy to drive on the limit despite power hike. ( I did tests ages ago with both cars.)
Before Toyota's loyal defenders start flaming, I also say that I've driven Supra RZ more than enough to know how it handles and I really respect it's abilities. Without doubt it's one of the best japanese RWD's, but in the end, it's severely limited because of it's RWD layout, especially when tuned beyond 900bhp.
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(In reply to Sonzilla)
Figures were in the Home/Garage/Details area. (The big white sheet with everything on it.) Did the same for both rather than going off what the numbers are in the general Garage area.
The Only engine mod I gave was some Horsepower in a bottle. (No not N2O!) Just an Oil change. The numbers may seem "wrong" to you but that is what my garageman told me.
I used the Base GT-R rather than the VSpec for 97 as I started my test before the thread swung from a Stock Turbo Supra vs Skyline to a "Best available" for that year.
Nissan Nanny Driver aids - Just being imaginative. Set up area, driver aids, (ASM/ESP/Traction control and the like). I forgot to turn these off for the Skylines first race. So I repeated this bad form by doing the same for the Supra. (So for both cars they ran the first race with Stock driver aids at Fuji.)
Not sure what the green splodge is after the Bias comment, I expected the Skyline to be better, but the races just proved that for me the Supra is by far the faster car over these races than the Skyline was for 1997.
My times may well be slower than you (I bow to your unrivaled speed Sonzilla) and I would like but I was trying to let the car do the driving, being consistent. I've been driving alot of races of late with the focus being on not chewing up tyres so it probably carried over into this test.
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Not really in the same topic as despite but made me wonder how the other "Class of '97" cars compare to these two beasts. NSX/RX7 for example warrant a chance to beat the top two.
Figures were in the Home/Garage/Details area. (The big white sheet with everything on it.) Did the same for both rather than going off what the numbers are in the general Garage area.
The Only engine mod I gave was some Horsepower in a bottle. (No not N2O!) Just an Oil change. The numbers may seem "wrong" to you but that is what my garageman told me.
I used the Base GT-R rather than the VSpec for 97 as I started my test before the thread swung from a Stock Turbo Supra vs Skyline to a "Best available" for that year.
Nissan Nanny Driver aids - Just being imaginative. Set up area, driver aids, (ASM/ESP/Traction control and the like). I forgot to turn these off for the Skylines first race. So I repeated this bad form by doing the same for the Supra. (So for both cars they ran the first race with Stock driver aids at Fuji.)
Not sure what the green splodge is after the Bias comment, I expected the Skyline to be better, but the races just proved that for me the Supra is by far the faster car over these races than the Skyline was for 1997.
My times may well be slower than you (I bow to your unrivaled speed Sonzilla) and I would like but I was trying to let the car do the driving, being consistent. I've been driving alot of races of late with the focus being on not chewing up tyres so it probably carried over into this test.
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Not really in the same topic as despite but made me wonder how the other "Class of '97" cars compare to these two beasts. NSX/RX7 for example warrant a chance to beat the top two.
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Leonidaeit's all about the driver and his/hers biasedness, that's all what I say. I'm biased towards GT-R's ( it kinda shows, doesn't it
IF we do honest comparison, comparing 6.2 mile R34 GT-R to 6.2 mile Supra RZ ( in order to have balanced competition ), it's quite much even. I've said this before, and I say it again: Stock against stock, corners belong to GT-R and straights to Supra. Tuned against tuned, GT-R will win in both areas because it can maintain traction and is easy to drive on the limit despite power hike. ( I did tests ages ago with both cars.)
Before Toyota's loyal defenders start flaming, I also say that I've driven Supra RZ more than enough to know how it handles and I really respect it's abilities. Without doubt it's one of the best japanese RWD's, but in the end, it's severely limited because of it's RWD layout, especially when tuned beyond 900bhp.
Exactly couldn't of said it any better. This is exactly how I feel about both cars. I think it's the most accurate explanation. Toyota guys can flame all they want but reality is reality and my test's along with the many other test's proved the same thing.
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Skyline vs. Supra, thats just a matter of personal opinions....
I like the Supra much more than the bulky skyline, I am also faster with it and even Skyline JGTC's are slower than the Cerumo or Denso Sard supra.
The Supra also is much more a fun car than the skyline, the Skyline is very easy to drive, its glued on the track and its sooo boring and its engine also sounds too low powered.....but the Supra is a challenge to drive like all powerful RWD cars and I really like its streamlined body. Its also the faster at top speed.....
However I dont like the skyline nor the Supra (except the castrol supra ) very much, I prefer light weight cars.
I like the Supra much more than the bulky skyline, I am also faster with it and even Skyline JGTC's are slower than the Cerumo or Denso Sard supra.
The Supra also is much more a fun car than the skyline, the Skyline is very easy to drive, its glued on the track and its sooo boring and its engine also sounds too low powered.....but the Supra is a challenge to drive like all powerful RWD cars and I really like its streamlined body. Its also the faster at top speed.....
However I dont like the skyline nor the Supra (except the castrol supra
) very much, I prefer light weight cars.- 82
Latest European PAL version here.
And the Torque figures I rounded up...
And I'll check my power/torque levels now each car has 70 extra miles on them
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As you are a Datsun Fan, how about dropping some top Nismo tips for getting the most from your R33? I found mine to be too (Trying to think of a Non biased word but still realistic) sleepy in the corners.
Obviously if your basic driving style is for a car with a neutral to Oversteering car where you need to balance the throttle then you will prefer the Toyota. If you prefer to have understeer as an Ally then the Nissan will be your bag.
I didn't actually test this out but for the Toyota I was short shifting alot. My test tended to have the best lap as the last lap as the tyres took time to warm up, so it wasn't really posible to test a short shift vs red line shift pattern and which was faster.
And the Torque figures I rounded up...
And I'll check my power/torque levels now each car has 70 extra miles on them
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As you are a Datsun Fan, how about dropping some top Nismo tips for getting the most from your R33? I found mine to be too (Trying to think of a Non biased word but still realistic) sleepy in the corners.
Obviously if your basic driving style is for a car with a neutral to Oversteering car where you need to balance the throttle then you will prefer the Toyota. If you prefer to have understeer as an Ally then the Nissan will be your bag.
I didn't actually test this out but for the Toyota I was short shifting alot. My test tended to have the best lap as the last lap as the tyres took time to warm up, so it wasn't really posible to test a short shift vs red line shift pattern and which was faster.
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Mayuri Ootsuka
Best hint for any 4WD GT-R that has turning problems after tuning: Take off FC LSD and VCD, if you're not going after 300mph. GT4 manages to simulate ATTESA-ETS pretty well, and without those two gizmos GT-R's will be nimble as ballerinas.
Mayuri Ootsuka
Both GT-R and Toyota corner well in capable hands. If you get understeer in corners with GT-R, it means that you haven't performed the weight shifting properly if at all. Real difference between GT-R and Supra is at the corner exiting speed: GT-R leaves the corner without drama, whereas Supra needs some feathering with the throttle in order to avoid wheelspin: this is part of the reason why I practised throttle control with TVR Cerbera Speed 12..
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Yep PD does a good job with the GTR's ATTESA AWD. After some fine tuning it's cornering speeds far exceed the Supra. I tend to tune my cars for more oversteer thus the Supra is for me. If you get the GTR with good power turn off all aids with s3s2s1 tires on and it's just as fun (sideway drifting).👍 FTW
Off topic:
Has anyone noticed how raspy the exhaust note is on the R34 GTR with the racing exhaust. Man I hate that, I always stay away from purchasing a racing exhaust. The semi racing exhaust would be the closest to it's true sound. That goes for almost all the cars in the game I stay away from it only if it's necessary.
Off topic:
Has anyone noticed how raspy the exhaust note is on the R34 GTR with the racing exhaust. Man I hate that, I always stay away from purchasing a racing exhaust. The semi racing exhaust would be the closest to it's true sound. That goes for almost all the cars in the game I stay away from it only if it's necessary.
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Michael88Skyline vs. Supra, thats just a matter of personal opinions....
I like the Supra much more than the bulky skyline, I am also faster with it and even Skyline JGTC's are slower than the Cerumo or Denso Sard supra.
The Supra also is much more a fun car than the skyline, the Skyline is very easy to drive, its glued on the track and its sooo boring and its engine also sounds too low powered.....but the Supra is a challenge to drive like all powerful RWD cars and I really like its streamlined body. Its also the faster at top speed.....
However I dont like the skyline nor the Supra (except the castrol supra
well, for me, i like european cars the best. i just like how they look and making them have wings and new rims....oooooooooo weeeee!!!
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skyline smokes all of the supras of the same class.
cerpin_taxt
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all supras excluding the race cars are ones you buy at the used car dealiersips, whukle you can get a skyline at the manufacturers dealership, and you wont have milage on it. advantage, skyline.
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