Why CSA is just ridiculous and should be banned for wheels

[mirial]

you can brake at 100mph plus, whilst turning sharply and the car remains completely stable throughout the maneuver.

By far the most unrealistic aid in the game.

I just absolutely hate it mainly because I spent ages learning to drive without it in other releases for more fun, and to try and gain an advantage in certain corners, and in an effort to try and set a trend for everyone else to try and move away from it, because driving without ABS properly, I consider to be a superior skill than one using it.

But Logitech who have had the largest market share for years, have never even bothered to develop a form of resistance braking that would make even GTS, much easier without it.

 

[Veinz]

Would rather it see completely disallowed in sport mode tbh.

 

[QTheRacer_31]

We need to set up a Drivers Association like they do in real FIA Championships to represent our interests and come up with proposals to the governing body (PD/FIA). Haha sounds ridiculous but if esports are to be taken seriously...

 

[Voodoovaj]

I think we should all go back to the superior skill of chiseling script into stone tablets rather than typing with these keyboard things...some guys are even using WIRELESS keyboards....some are using TOUCH SCREENS FFS!!!

This whole forum is for communication cheaters! Build a fire and send smoke signals or send your messengers by foot to deliver your thoughts.

You keyboard users are all cheaters....and don't even get me started about you auto correct users...pffft.

 

[QTheRacer_31]

I think we should all go back to the superior skill of chiseling script into stone tablets rather than typing with these keyboard things...some guys are even using WIRELESS keyboards....some are using TOUCH SCREENS FFS!!!

This whole forum is for communication cheaters! Build a fire and send smoke signals or send your messengers by foot to deliver your thoughts.

You keyboard users are all cheaters....and don't even get me started about you auto correct users...pffft.

Best post today

 

[JacksHerer]

I'm going back to ludo, a game of skill, chance, but above all everyone is using the same number of dice.

 

[GTWelsh]

Just tested csa for the first time in a while. Brands Gr3 time in a standard power/weight non bop gtr went from (csa on strong) 1.24.0/1/2/3 to (off) 1.24.5/6/7/8. While I definitely could do the csa time without it i doubt I'd be as consistently fast.

RH tyres.

To think people have been using this the whole time in sport mode. Moves the limit 5 miles down the road.

Ill be using it from now on in sport mode for sure.

No point making it harder for myself

 

[Veinz]

I think we should all go back to the superior skill of chiseling script into stone tablets rather than typing with these keyboard things...some guys are even using WIRELESS keyboards....some are using TOUCH SCREENS FFS!!!

This whole forum is for communication cheaters! Build a fire and send smoke signals or send your messengers by foot to deliver your thoughts.

You keyboard users are all cheaters....and don't even get me started about you auto correct users...pffft.

Or we should just ask PD to buff the autodrive assist so we can just put the controller/wheel down and not have to drive at all while getting still being somewhat competitive in sport mode, I mean it's would be in the game for everyone so it's completely legit right? Might as well keep up with the trend of the gaming industry by watering down games with bull:censored: assists, especially with autonomous road cars and roborace on the horizon.

 

[polizei]

What I know (and have shown) is that I don't use CSA to be faster.

Great point, but not one that i spoke about.

 

[VFOURMAX1]

To all the people who are shouting “what does it matter if someone else has all the aids on” you clearly dont understand that some people only can experience true sportmanship when all settings are equal to all drivers.

Any time you make a conscience decision to not use something within game that is allowed within the rules then you must accept by deciding to exclude their use then you could very well be giving a competitive advantage to your adversaries.

How you choose to play your game does not reflect on how another player chooses to play their game as long as in online competition you are both playing within the games rules.

But if behind me the car is just easily following me and full stepping on the gas because TCS is on and some other help tools ? It could be fun to him. But to me it is no fun because I dont know if the guy behind me is having the same difficulties as me because of driving aids.”

That person has decided to employ what he feels gives him the best weapons to win the game. If in a first person shooter game you decide to charge a machine gun nest with a baseball bat and get killed while your adversary chooses an available hand grenade, blows up the machine gun nest and lives to advance further in the game who is at fault?

You because although the game allows explosives you personally do not like them and choose the bat because it is more sporting or the other guy because he used what the game offered to best advance forward?

No different, use and play how you want but if you lose as a result in the end it is your fault for not playing THE GAME as it is allowed within the rules to play. If that makes it not fun perhaps you would be better to avoid sport races and just play in lobbies where you can control what people do and do not do within your rules rather than the games.

Your fun could be from beating people that were using aids if that is how you choose to designate your time as being fun. There are a lot of things other drivers do that I personally don't but I play how I like to play and as a result may will lose some finishing positions at times because of it.

But I still have fun. If the guy I am racing with is using a bunch of aids I do not use so what we are still having a fun race regardless.

 

[QTheRacer_31]

Just tested csa for the first time in a while. Brands Gr3 time in a standard power/weight non bop gtr went from (csa on strong) 1.24.0/1/2/3 to (off) 1.24.5/6/7/8. While I definitely could do the csa time without it i doubt I'd be as consistently fast.

RH tyres.

To think people have been using this the whole time in sport mode. Moves the limit 5 miles down the road.

Ill be using it from now on in sport mode for sure.

No point making it harder for myself

Especially if you use the Nissan... It’s a brick on track but it still has the best fuel mileage and is mild on tires.

 

[JacksHerer]

I remember the first time playing golf in school P.E, when the teacher wasn't watching we picked our golf balls up and threw/kicked them down the fairway because there was no way we could hit them as far with a club.

I like the autodrive idea, I wonder how many DR:E guys are faster in autodrive


Edit : to the FPS analogy, I think CSA is like spawn camping, available to everyone, but takes away from the game. Remove the risk vs gain and you lose a lot of the game.

 

[tofuhero]

Just tested csa for the first time in a while. Brands Gr3 time in a standard power/weight non bop gtr went from (csa on strong) 1.24.0/1/2/3 to (off) 1.24.5/6/7/8. While I definitely could do the csa time without it i doubt I'd be as consistently fast.

RH tyres.

To think people have been using this the whole time in sport mode. Moves the limit 5 miles down the road.

I think there should be a visual differentiation between weak and strong settings, as there's a big difference in the assist level. Weak CSA almost never engages with Gr.4 cars, and is mostly useful for MR Gr.3 cars.

I also think the results screen and leaderboards should show which assists people have on, just to put it all out there.

 

[JacksHerer]

You can see what assists they use, but you need to play the replays.
I wouldn't want my non aid status to be displayed in a race, in case someone is prone to bashing and can spot me as an easy target to contact.

 

[Veinz]

Edit : to the FPS analogy, I think CSA is like spawn camping, available to everyone, but takes away from the game. Remove the risk vs gain and you lose a lot of the game.

CSA is on the same level of something like the auto rotation aim assist in the BF series on consoles. Aim down sights near an enemy and the auto rotation assist snaps the sights directly to the center of the targets chest, it pretty much works like an aim bot and does most of the work for you.

 

[Voodoovaj]

CSA is on the same level of something like the auto rotation aim assist in the BF series on consoles. Aim down sights near an enemy and the auto rotation assist snaps the sights directly to the center of the targets chest, it pretty much works like an aim bot and does most of the work for you.

edit: I also get chuckle from the people playing down CSA's benefits or saying it's an outright disadvantage to use. Even the GTP WRS online events AND time trial events on this site have it prohibited, I wonder why?

You should click on my profile and read what I used to do for a living before responding to this post. (no really, you should)

You're comparison may as well be comparing CSA to a cowbell because that's how similar CSA is to aim assist in BF. Of this, I will stake my life.

As for it being prohibited, GTP WRS wants as even a playing field as possible. It's a debatable point and that IS the point. Eliminating it, eliminates the debate. If it were an actual, hands down, advantage everyone would be on the side of using it. SRF is GT6 was an advantage and NO ONE disputed it.

If you feel CSA is why you are being defeated, then USE IT and stop losing. Makes sense, no?

As for me, I will not use it, not because I am a luddite but because it slows me down, and being faster or slower is the only thing you should worry about.

 

[Jumbone1]

I think CSA should be banned from sport mode for all users, or maybe allowed for the easier daily races. Didn't realise how effective it was. It is way beyond a driving aid. For wheel users it should definitely not be allowed, as oversteer can be caught faster than on a pad.

 

[tofuhero]

My lap times in Gr.3 cars with weak CSA on and off don't appreciably change. I'm just more consistent and confident with them when it's on. If I was using a wheel, maybe I could compensate enough for that not to be a factor, but I'm on DS4 and in real race conditions the car is more manageable. And when the car is more manageable I'm less likely to cause an accident, which is a win for everyone racing around me.

Also, again I'd say that if you have a problem with CSA, you should rail against ASM first. That's CSA on steroids and does far more to correct for mistakes than CSA does.

 

[kilesa4568]

I think CSA should be banned from sport mode for all users, or maybe allowed for the easier daily races.

That tickled me.

Banned for all dailies but maybe keep it for the easy races? What easy races?

And as it's been pointed out, it's barely any quicker with it turned on if you know what you're doing while more pronounced if you make a lot of mistakes. Mistakes are frustrating. Who wouldn't want to get rid of a few of them without resorting to a silly amount of laps to get it right? Not everyone has the time for that.

Horses for courses anyway as it's a valid option. If you can't be bothered to do those laps, save yourself a bit of time and use it or grit your teeth and live without it, along with the extra practice. I chose extra practice but I'm a sucker for punishment.

 

[GTWelsh]

My lap times in Gr.3 cars with weak CSA on and off don't appreciably change. I'm just more consistent and confident with them when it's on. If I was using a wheel, maybe I could compensate enough for that not to be a factor, but I'm on DS4 and in real race conditions the car is more manageable. And when the car is more manageable I'm less likely to cause an accident, which is a win for everyone racing around me.

Also, again I'd say that if you have a problem with CSA, you should rail against ASM first. That's CSA on steroids and does far more to correct for mistakes than CSA does.

Csa weak is nothing like Csa strong.

Weak is OK tbh. Very slight help but is nice. Strong is full blown guardian angel thou shall not spin.

 

[jwest]

this whole time I thought pros, or even most people on GTP play with tcs off and csa off. I play with a controller and have both of them off.
That kinda sucks.

 

[zzz_pt]

this whole time I thought pros, or even most people on GTP play with tcs off and csa off. I play with a controller and have both of them off.
That kinda sucks.

Where did you get that impression from? And why does it suck? Are you playing the game to have fun or playing like other people play?

 

[John Crellin]

this whole time I thought pros, or even most people on GTP play with tcs off and csa off. I play with a controller and have both of them off.
That kinda sucks.

That is what you call the vocal minority commandeering the conversation

 

[jwest]

Where did you get that impression from? And why does it suck? Are you playing the game to have fun or playing like other people play?

Got that idea back on my gamefaqs days. And I can see what OP is saying, it sucks because I’d like to be on an even playing field. I’m just too prideful to turn it on, that’s just me.
And I do play to have fun.

 

[John Crellin]

Where did you get that impression from?

Is this facetious? Almost every thread about driving aids has two main groups: those that want them banned outright, and those that see why they are there but claim to not use them. there are very few people on here willing to admit they use them as the concept of using them is typically looked down on

 

[zzz_pt]

Is this facetious? Almost every thread about driving aids has two main groups: those that want them banned outright, and those that see why they are there but claim to not use them. there are very few people on here willing to admit they use them as the concept of using them is typically looked down on

Hmmm. In this thread several people have said they don't care about CSA (or TCS) and others who have said they use it.

I don't see the issue as something I have to be willing to admit to. I play the game with all the combinations of ABS, CSA, TCS (ABS being the only permanent aid) and don't see it as something negative at all. I could probably improve my pace and consistency by playing with ABS only all the time. But I don't mind not getting to alien levels and having more fun with the game. If someone would pay me to play with 0 aids all the time, I'd do it. Because it's a hobby, I try to get the most out of it with the time I have.

I'm probably in the minority but I don't care tbh. If this thread was about SFR (from past GTs) I'd support its ban for Sport Mode. But CSA and TCS are not the same.

I'm glad to drive without aids if that's mandatory. If it's not (like in sport mode), I think everyone should make the best of the options available and I don't judge them.

 

[DriftMethod]

Is this facetious? Almost every thread about driving aids has two main groups: those that want them banned outright, and those that see why they are there but claim to not use them. there are very few people on here willing to admit they use them as the concept of using them is typically looked down on

Lots of people here admit to using aids. I always use ABS and use Traction Control on Gr.3 cars. Thanks to this thread, I'll have to test out CSA as well.

 

[Johnnypenso]

Is this facetious? Almost every thread about driving aids has two main groups: those that want them banned outright, and those that see why they are there but claim to not use them. there are very few people on here willing to admit they use them as the concept of using them is typically looked down on

Every argument about driving aids devolves into the same virtual trench warfare because some people aren't able to separate what they want in a game or how they would like it to be designed vs. how the game is actually designed and taking advantage of it as best you can. Personally I would rather everything was an authentic representation of it's real life counterpart. If a car or race series uses ABS or TCS or other aids, or doesn't, that's how I'd like it in all the online competitive aspects of the game. But that isn't the way it is and that isn't the audience this game caters to. Doesn't stop me from wanting it, but it doesn't stop me from understanding why it is the way it is either.

 

[jwest]

Expert settings in the menus have TCS off and CSA on weak (should be off). So....

Also I’m out of here before it gets insane lmao

 

[John Crellin]

Hmmm. In this thread several people have said they don't care about CSA (or TCS) and others who have said they use it.

I don't see the issue as something I have to be willing to admit to. I play the game with all the combinations of ABS, CSA, TCS (ABS being the only permanent aid) and don't see it as something negative at all. I could probably improve my pace and consistency by playing with ABS only all the time. But I don't mind not getting to alien levels and having more fun with the game. If someone would pay me to play with 0 aids all the time, I'd do it. Because it's a hobby, I try to get the most out of it with the time I have.

I'm probably in the minority but I don't care tbh. If this thread was about SFR (from past GTs) I'd support its ban for Sport Mode. But CSA and TCS are not the same.

I'm glad to drive without aids if that's mandatory. If it's not (like in sport mode), I think everyone should make the best of the options available and I don't judge them.

I gotta say, i consistently agree with your views on GTP.

By willing to admit to it , I am really talking about people posting in the bash threads ( the common ones) so there is already some stigma with it. most people say things like "I think this is important for DS4 users like myself, however, i never use TCS more than 1 in GR3 and only use ABS for everything else."

I know you have pointed out that you use CSA and ABS but (no offense) your an alien and also you point out that you are faster without it and only use aids when feeling lazy. This brings people like myself to the conclusion that that fastest players dont use aids or that its auto-drive for sleepy people

Lots of people here admit to using aids. I always use ABS and use Traction Control on Gr.3 cars. Thanks to this thread, I'll have to test out CSA as well.

Im with you there, ill definitely be trying out CSA tonight

Every argument about driving aids devolves into the same virtual trench warfare because some people aren't able to separate what they want in a game or how they would like it to be designed vs. how the game is actually designed and taking advantage of it as best you can. Personally I would rather everything was an authentic representation of it's real life counterpart. If a car or race series uses ABS or TCS or other aids, or doesn't, that's how I'd like it in all the online competitive aspects of the game. But that isn't the way it is and that isn't the audience this game caters to. Doesn't stop me from wanting it, but it doesn't stop me from understanding why it is the way it is either.

... and you are right too