Why CSA is just ridiculous and should be banned for wheels

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Scaff
Yep the Authentic settings for both PC/PC2 and AC are great in this regard, one of the first titles I can recall doing this was Enthusia back in the PS2 days.
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Playing devil's advocate, doesn't that lead to a greater problem? For instance, the Merc GT Black has drift control, so would it then be an advantage for the drifters to use that car? A car that will hold you drift at whatever angel you wish to drift at?

On a similar point, in the racing being emulated in GTS, the stock factory systems are necessarily allowed. All ECU mapping must be homologated and they are subject to scrutiny. I can't speak for every car, but I know there are many circumstances where the race ECU is a completely different unit from the street ECU.

http://www.racb.com/fileadmin/user_...gulations_FINAL_2017_with_visa.compressed.pdf

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Some race series run a spec ECU and those are generally regarded as the most fair way of dealing with potential driver aid cheats.

Could someone from the "ban it" crowd post video evidence of the CSA giving them a competitive advantage? If not, then you're just proving the case of the other side (who btw, HAVE posted videos).
 
I'm pretty sure I could dig a replay up, showing me having an accident, and 15 other cars surviving their own accident having CSA switched on.

Edit : although I'm not actually in the ban it camp, I'm in the do what you want camp - with a hint of why are you playing this game and not need for speed camp.
 
@nuu1212

If you don’t want to use assists and it makes you feel all puffy chested, good for you. Leave me alone. Will you and your ilk PLEASE just go away and “allow” me to enjoy the game I paid $60 for?
 
Voodoovaj
Playing devil's advocate, doesn't that lead to a greater problem? For instance, the Merc GT Black has drift control, so would it then be an advantage for the drifters to use that car? A car that will hold you drift at whatever angel you wish to drift at?

On a similar point, in the racing being emulated in GTS, the stock factory systems are necessarily allowed. All ECU mapping must be homologated and they are subject to scrutiny. I can't speak for every car, but I know there are many circumstances where the race ECU is a completely different unit from the street ECU.

http://www.racb.com/fileadmin/user_...gulations_FINAL_2017_with_visa.compressed.pdf

Page 36, section 83

Some race series run a spec ECU and those are generally regarded as the most fair way of dealing with potential driver aid cheats.

Could someone from the "ban it" crowd post video evidence of the CSA giving them a competitive advantage? If not, then you're just proving the case of the other side (who btw, HAVE posted videos).
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The authentic is set to whatever the race car has, not what the road car it's based up has.
 
I find it funny when people say a certain aid doesn't make you faster. I mean it's a racing game so it's ALL about your time round the lap either alone or with others. NOT spinning off the track equals at least a ten second gain which equals way faster. The key point is that it doesn't necessarily make EVERYONE faster as some with either their skill set or driving habits may find it counter intuitive(pun not intended).
Sport mode is so far removed from anything even remotely resembling real life its funny when people criticize stuff like this.
Having said all that.. I would LOVE the game to give up any pretense of being realistic and go more arcady with the graphics. In this case every driver that uses any aids has their little icons displayed above their car model. Anyone using every aid on and set to max would get a big L plate and ghost training wheels.
I don't think the elitists would complain any more as replays would always show how superior their skills are compared to the other plebs in the race.
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That thread reminds me why I never played online before GTS. It always ends up being an annoying series of arguments on what makes you a “real racer.” I guess, as a gay man, I got used to these never ending talks of what a “real man” is or isn’t... But still...

I’ll end my contribution to this thread by saying this. Honestly, use whatever you want with a wheel or a controller. If not using anything rubs your ego then go for it. All I care about is how you race me. If you’re SSS... fast but can’t keep your car on track for 10 laps and always end up spinning and collecting me in your incidents, I don’t see what’s so great about that. It happens way too often in races with many S/S racers.

If you use CSA (or TCS) and it’s enabling you to have clean and fair battles on the track then I’ll defend your right to do so. What you do with the electronics in your car is none of my business. How your actions on track affect me is all that matters.
 
novcze
haha very true, GTS have more in common with Driveclub than it have with Assetto Corsa. :lol:
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Maybe best for you to go back to AC then... oh wait, there's nothing left to do in AC anymore is there? As soon as they enabled custom lobbies the whole of on-line just collapsed, and it was impossible to get a race with any decent competition... of course you could just go for a Sunday drive in any one of the 'just crusing' rooms.

The way some people moan about GTS I wonder why they bother playing the game.
 
Voodoovaj
You should click on my profile and read what I used to do for a living before responding to this post. (no really, you should)

You're comparison may as well be comparing CSA to a cowbell because that's how similar CSA is to aim assist in BF. Of this, I will stake my life.

As for it being prohibited, GTP WRS wants as even a playing field as possible. It's a debatable point and that IS the point. Eliminating it, eliminates the debate. If it were an actual, hands down, advantage everyone would be on the side of using it. SRF is GT6 was an advantage and NO ONE disputed it.

If you feel CSA is why you are being defeated, then USE IT and stop losing. Makes sense, no?

As for me, I will not use it, not because I am a luddite but because it slows me down, and being faster or slower is the only thing you should worry about.
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First of all, I could not care any less about what you do or what you used to do for living.

Did I strike a nerve with that comparison? Because as someone who has 1000s of hours played in the Battlefield series I find those two very comparable, in the sense that they are both controversial and there are very little to no disadvantages to using them.
 
MikeV27
First of all, I could not care any less about what you do or what you used to do for living.

Did I strike a nerve with that comparison? Because as someone who has 1000s of hours played in the Battlefield series I find those two very comparable, in the sense that they are both controversial and there are very little to no disadvantages to using them.
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So, CSA is akin to ABS, because there is little to no disadvantage to using ABS. In fact, I posted in this very thread that ABS default and brake balance set to +5 gave me a significant boost in lap times. That set up, is in fact, an established setting among the top ten. Why aren't we all arguing over that one?

This thread goes in circles. Turn on your CSA and have at it. Beat the world. I will keep mine off because CSA slows me down.

Here's me NOT using it last night - The 10th time in the top ten was 1:27.3. I started from pole with a 1:27.4. If I search through the replay, I'm sure I can find several users with CSA on. It didn't seem to help them at all.

I look forward to you beating me with your CSA turned on. I'm easy to find.
 
Stotty
Maybe best for you to go back to AC then... oh wait, there's nothing left to do in AC anymore is there? As soon as they enabled custom lobbies the whole of on-line just collapsed, and it was impossible to get a race with any decent competition... of course you could just go for a Sunday drive in any one of the 'just crusing' rooms.

The way some people moan about GTS I wonder why they bother playing the game.
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more fitting question is why you take my comment as negative? Same thing with the other thread when I tried to give well meant advise on how to drive without TCS/CSA ... I got it, you like GTS, but why so defensive.

Actually being compared to Driveclub isn't a bad thing, that game have best time trial mode ever although physics were simplified and I spent a lot of time playing it.
 
novcze
more fitting question is why you take my comment as negative? Same thing with the other thread when I tried to give well meant advise on how to drive without TCS/CSA ... I got it, you like GTS, but why so defensive.

Actually being compared to Driveclub isn't a bad thing, that game have best time trial mode ever although physics were simplified and I spent a lot of time playing it.
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I’ve got both games. I was one of less than 10 people to have have platinum on the PS4 version of AC last time I looked, and I’m ranked c.60th on DR in GTS. So I think I know the details of how both games play pretty well.

I’m not defensive about GTS in particular, but the posts criticising GTS physics, whilst holding AC up as some sort of perfection are laughable. AC physics are just as far from realistic as GTS’s are... just in a different way.
 
Stotty
I’m not defensive about GTS in particular, but the posts criticising GTS physics, whilst holding AC up as some sort of perfection are laughable. AC physics are just as far from realistic as GTS’s are... just in a different way.
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Where did I say anything about AC's physics. I wasn't really particular and I meant that overall "accessibility" is more akin to Driveclub than AC, rendering the whole idea of ban for CSA laughable.
 
novcze
Where did I say anything about AC's physics. I wasn't really particular and I meant that overall "accessibility" is more akin to Driveclub than AC, rendering the whole idea of ban for CSA laughable.
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You didn't, just like I don't recall anyone ever comparing AC's physics to perfection:lol:.
 
The funny thing about these threads (aids, assists, cutting curbs, etc.) is that they’re all essentially the same. People think that the people who are faster than them are faster due to something unrelated to sheer pace. This time it’s CSA, last time it was so called corner cutting.


I don’t use anything other than ABS. I also don’t care what anyone else uses. The guys who are at the top of the sheets would be regardless of what arbitrary driver aid rules are made.
 
When I first got GT sport I didn't use any assists, using the DS4 I thought I was pretty okay but inconsistent during races.

Over time I've slowly dialled in the assists so I now run full ABS, full CSA but no ASM or TCS. I'm now DR A and way more controlled and consistent.

Using the assists has allowed me to "forget" about driving the car and concentrate on race craft, which I think is the aim of the game. Winning TT leaderboards is no doubt a load of fun but there isn't an assist out there which helps you defend positions using strategy or overtake cleanly.

Like them or not but assists allow cleaner, closer racing and that's tonnes more fun for me than anything else.

Obviously the aliens can destroy all competition without assists but they're aliens so whatever.
 
99% people don't care about the top ten, they neither have the time/patience/desire/motivation/pace or talent at video games to even try getting the fastest time. They just set a time that they set and go race.

If you think CSA is like corner cutting, then that's a funny thing about you.

If I was forced to use aids to be equal in sport races, then I wouldn't play them. I assume there are also plenty of people who wouldn't play sport races if they weren't allowed to use aids to be equal to me and you.
 
DaveTheStalker
If you don’t want to use assists and it makes you feel all puffy chested, good for you. Leave me alone. Will you and your ilk PLEASE just go away and “allow” me to enjoy the game I paid $60 for?
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Who is stopping you from enjoying your game ? Please stop thinking the world is only about you. Just let some people play more serious would you mind ? No one is asking you to change your game. Just let others have there fun as well. Maybe the fact that this discussion is coming back all the time proves that there is indeed need for change.


Senna52
The funny thing about these threads (aids, assists, cutting curbs, etc.) is that they’re all essentially the same. People think that the people who are faster than them are faster due to something unrelated to sheer pace. This time it’s CSA, last time it was so called corner cutting.
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It is not about being faster. I dont care how fast I am. I only care about having fun. My fun is only there when the people I am driving with have the same fun as me. And you cannot have my type of fun when you drive with aids.
Its just that simple.
 
Macboyilija
It is not about being faster. I dont care how fast I am. I only care about having fun.
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How somebody else plays their game has absolutely no effect on your game at all. As far as CSA goes the ONLY way you know who is or is not using the aid is to go looking at replays and looking to see whether the icon is lit up or not.

So if anyone is ruining your fun it is you looking and worrying about who uses what.

Apparently you do care how fast you are because it bothers you how someone else may be faster and whether they are using an aid or not to do so.

So enjoy your game and quit intentionally looking for things that you say ruin it for you. The game allows aids and sometimes just not knowing may be better. 3RD place is 3RD place using aids or not.
 
VFOURMAX1
How somebody else plays their game has absolutely no effect on your game at all. As far as CSA goes the ONLY way you know who is or is not using the aid is to go looking at replays and looking to see whether the icon is lit up or not.

So if anyone is ruining your fun it is you looking and worrying about who uses what.

Apparently you do care how fast you are because it bothers you how someone else may be faster and whether they are using an aid or not to do so.

So enjoy your game and quit intentionally looking for things that you say ruin it for you. The game allows aids and sometimes just not knowing may be better. 3RD place is 3RD place using aids or not.
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Spot on IMO
 
Did you read my post ? Please stop putting words in my mouth. First of all I stated that I enjoy more racing in 5th place than first place. Because I like fighting with people in front of me and behind me. Dont decide for me what I do like and what I dont like. Your arrogance is beyond what should be allowed here.

This is my type of fun and I am the only one that decides this, not you:

“But to me it is definitely no fun when I am working my ass of with a RWD car in sport mode, behind me is someone driving pretty close to me. I am braking on time for the corner. He is not hitting me. Keep focus in the corner keep up te speed and look at corner exit. When I see the exit I am stepping on the gas. But slowly. Since if I push the gas too hard my car will slip. So the adrenaline is there ! The fun is there ! Because I know if I step too much on the gas I will lose the grip and car. And if I know the car behind me is working as hard as me, that makes all the fun !!

But if behind me the car is just easily following me and full stepping on the gas because TCS is on and some other help tools ? It could be fun to him. But to me it is no fun because I dont know if the guy behind me is having the same difficulties as me because of driving aids.”

To each his fun. Please stop deciding for others what they think is fun. I am not laughing at all the arcade players. Would be nice if this respect works both ways.
 
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Macboyilija
Did you read my post ? Please stop putting words in my mouth. First of all I stated that I enjoy more racing in 5th place then first place. Because I like fighting with people in front of me and behind me. Dont decide for me what I do like and what I dont like. Your arrogance is beyond what should be allowed here.

This is my type of fun and I am the only one that decides this, not you:


“But to me it is definitely no fun when I am working my ass of with a RWD car in sport mode, behind me is someone driving pretty close to me. I am braking on time for the corner. He is not hitting me. Keep focus in the corner keep up te speed and look at corner exit. When I see the exit I am stepping on the gas. But slowly. Since if I push the gas too hard my car will slip. So the adrenaline is there ! The fun is there ! Because I know if I step too much on the gas I will lose the grip and car. And if I know the car behind me is working as hard as me, that makes all the fun !!

But if behind me the car is just easily following me and full stepping on the gas because TCS is on and some other help tools ? It could be fun to him. But to me it is no fun because I dont know if the guy behind me is having the same difficulties as me because of driving aids.”
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But you want a new rating system bought in to differentiate those who choose to use aids/DS4 etc.. why is this? I said it above but it's worth repeating - Driving aids do not win you races! The most they do is get you a potential 100ft head start if you grab pole, that's it!
 
Macboyilija
Because its not about winning. Its about the fun. For me that is.
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I agree with this, mostly because I figured out that if I chose "fun" than I would have to accept not winning many races.

Let the assists guys have their assists and win to have their fun. The guys who get their fun from driving "naked" without assists won't mind being towards the back, right? Because it's still fun?
 
Again. Read my quoted line. If you dont understand that I cannot add anything to make myself more clear.

For me fun is only there if others are working as hard as me. It is called equal circumstances. Thus I am forced to use aids to have this equality. And I dont like this since that seems and feels arcade to me. You can do whatever you want and the game saves all your mistakes. That is not my cup of tea.

So I would like to race in sport mode with people like me. With no aids. Even in that situation I would probably be driving in 5th position. But still having my type of fun.
 
Macboyilija
Did you read my post ?
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LOL...umm...YES, did YOU?

Macboyilija
It is not about being faster. I dont care how fast I am. I only care about having fun. My fun is only there when the people I am driving with have the same fun as me. And you cannot have my type of fun when you drive with aids.
Its just that simple.
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This is the most hypocritical thing I have seen on this forum in long time. So banning the use of a driver aid, because YOU don't like it, is somehow NOT deciding what fun it for other people? So, you are dictating what is fun for others but you don't want anyone dictating what is fun to you?

Macboyilija
And if I know the car behind me is working as hard as me, that makes all the fun !!
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Faster drivers are not working hard, that's why they are faster.

I don't use any aids and I would wager that I am not working hard at all. Quite often, I have my feet up and I am in my robe. It's either morning with my coffee, or late evening and I may or may not have a night cap. If you see me, will you leave the room because I am spoiling your fun?

Your argument is nonsense.
 
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Doesnt matter. Probably I am way faster than you. How relevant is this ?

I am just explaining my type of fun. I am not asking for a ban (anymore). I am asking for an additional group or asterix* for people who love driving themselves instead of the computer helping out every corner. As I said: to each their opinion. No one is forced to turn there aids of. I am just requesting a separate group being added.

So please stop making false statements.

No need to share my fun. But no need to bash my fun.
 

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