Why Is Pizza Considered A Vegetable In US Schools?

[AMCNUT]

I see. No, it'd class as a "balanced meal" - vegetable, dairy and, because that dairy comes from cownipples, meat.

Chocolate - the solution to all dietary problems. Except malnutrition, spots and diabeeeetus.

I'm going to have the file that one away for future use! That's good - a balanced meal - can't wait to try that one out on somone...

 

[TankAss95]

No, it counts as disgusting.

Whut?

Milk chocolate contains milk and chocolate. The name's something of a clue. Typically it's 20% or so of cocoa solids and several other percent cocoa butter. British chocolate makers - typically Mars and Dairy Milk - use vegetable fats as a stabiliser, which did lead to a brief US/EU/UK spat over their use of the term "chocolate", with the alternative "vegelate" being proposed. How about "No", Scott?

Sorry. I read 'Chocolate milk' instead of 'Milk chocolate'. I thought it was as in chocolate milkshake, ya know?

 

[Daniel]

I'd rather drink tepid yak piss.

 

[DromeGT]

Because Pizza B)

 

[Bigbazz]

Of course you did:



Oh wait, you didn't.

And that was the exact part I responded to - I even quoted it when responding to it. And to reiterate the rebuttal of your point there:



No excuses or loopholes were made to keep pizza on the menu. The decision wasn't even about pizza - it was about how much tomato paste classes as a serving of fruits/vegetables - and the decision was to not change anything.

It was about the tomato paste directly because of pizza, which again confirms what i said, but go on keep smashing your face against this like you have with everyone in the thread, I'm sure you can come up with a great reply about how pizza isnt a vegetable and tomatoes are a fruit.

 

[dylansan]

The criteria for the different "food groups" are pretty vague aren't they. They serve as a reasonable guide to a balanced diet, but ultimately the actual contents of a food are more important than which of the categories it belongs to. People should worry about getting protein, carbs, vitamins, etc, not about whether their banana bread is a fruit or a grain.

 

[Famine]

Sorry. I read 'Chocolate milk' instead of 'Milk chocolate'. I thought it was as in chocolate milkshake, ya know?

I've never heard a Brit use the phrase "n milk" (to mean "n milkshake")...

Incidentally, there is a legal requirement for certain labelling in the UK:
Chocolate n - Must contain chocolate; Chocolate milkshake is milkshake made with chocolate
Chocolate flavoured n - Must be flavoured with actual chocolate (though it doesn't have to be much); Chocolate flavoured milkshake is milkshake flavoured with chocolate
Chocolate flavour n - Does not have to contain any actual chocolate; Chocolate flavour milkshake is milkshake that has additives other than chocolate to make it taste/look chocolatey

(flavours and flavourings other than chocolate are available - but not normal)

This is part of the Food Labelling Regulations 1996 (and Food Safety Act 1990) and is British law, enforced by the Food Standards Agency. I kid ye not.

It was about the tomato paste directly because of pizza, which again confirms what i said, but go on keep smashing your face against this like you have with everyone in the thread

Let's find where you referred to tomato paste, like you claim:

Basically, kids love pizza (it tastes awesome?) and it can be made for dirt cheap, so finding an excuse or loophole to keep it on the menu is what they are doing. Jamie Oliver was doing a good thing (though some of this methods we're a bit overly dramatic) but they weren't interested. The only way to get good food on the menu is to take the crap food off the menu so the kids actually eat it, which obviously isnt going to happen. Crap food is cheaper, its easier and the kids love it.

Pizza really is not healthy, in moderation sure, but all that bread even at the best of times is not something you should eat often, thats before you get into the cheapy crap low quality saturated fat filled salty cheese bread.


When I was in school we had a load of junk food on the menu, I used to live off of pasties and hotdogs (though with real sausage, not like the american type), we had big inhouse baked cookies, coca cola vending machines and chips were probably the most sold food, all of that is gone now though, you're basically forced into eating atleast half decent here in the UK schools.

Nope, it's all about the pizza there. No tomatoes were harmed in the making of your post. You even claim to know why "they" (whoever "they" are) changed the law about pizza - to make a loophole/excuse to keep pizza on the menu.

Now read what the Agriculture Department and House of Representatives actually did. They decided not to increase the requirement of "one portion of fruit/vegetables" from two tablespoons of tomato paste to one half cup. Not only did "they" not change anything, it wasn't even about the pizza.

You read it wrong and reacted wrongly - after I'd already pointed out the error several times. Claiming you were talking about something else to avoid having to admit that...? Wow.

I'm sure you can come up with a great reply about how pizza isnt a vegetable and tomatoes are a fruit.

Too late:

Tomato is a fruit.

This is why it's important to read all of the thread before putting finger to text entry device.

 

[88FoxBodyFan]

Pizza can be whatever it wants to be. Pizza is God.

 

[Famine]

Nu-uh. Pizza exists.

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[AMCNUT]

Hey Famine, do you know British Chocolate Law off by heart or do you actaully have to research this stuff?

 

[dylansan]

Nu-uh. Pizza exists.

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And my day became a little bit brighter. Thank you.

 

[Bigbazz]

Famine, are you trying to be dense for the sake of arguement?

You read into my post in the way you wanted and then posted on it based on what you wanted to see.


A tomato is a fruit, well done there for knowing something that my 9 year old nephew knows. By saying that 2 spoons of tomato paste counts as 1 vegetable portion they can serve pizza within their set out rules of healthy nutrition, which is what my post is pointing towards. If this isnt clear enough for you then I give up, I will leave you to continue trolling your own forums.

 

[88FoxBodyFan]

Nu-uh. Pizza exists.

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👍👍

 

[Famine]

Famine, are you trying to be dense for the sake of arguement?

You read into my post in the way you wanted and then posted on it based on what you wanted to see.

Yes, it's entirely my fault you made a post about why "they" changed the rules about pizza and failed to notice "they" decided not to change the rules about tomato paste and the silly headline about pizza was a silly headline designed to mislead which mislead you. How dense of me.

By saying that 2 spoons of tomato paste counts as 1 vegetable portion they can serve pizza within their set out rules of healthy nutrition, which is what my post is pointing towards.

And the part about pizza is the imagination of a newspaper hack trying to make a silly, attention-grabbing article about the status quo regarding the status of an arbitrary measure of mashed fruit being retained to fool people into making silly comments about the nature of "them" (government, in this case).

If this isnt clear enough for you then I give up

You probably ought. Making a post full of references to pizza then claiming you mean tomato paste and never said pizza isn't a great beacon for clarity. Much like the original article's headline in fact. Zing.

While you're getting all serious and vexed over being hoodwinked by a journalist, the rest of us are having a bit of fun with the dietary perfection of chocolate and the deity status of various Italian foods. I wonder if the Flying Spaghetti Monster is watching us blaspheme...

 

[Bigbazz]

Yes, it's entirely my fault you made a post about why "they" changed the rules about pizza and failed to notice "they" decided not to change the rules about tomato paste and the silly headline about pizza was a silly headline designed to mislead which mislead you. How dense of me.



And the part about pizza is the imagination of a newspaper hack trying to make a silly, attention-grabbing article about the status quo regarding the status of an arbitrary measure of mashed fruit being retained to fool people into making silly comments about the nature of "them" (government, in this case).



You probably ought. Making a post full of references to pizza then claiming you mean tomato paste and never said pizza isn't a great beacon for clarity. Much like the original article's headline in fact. Zing.

While you're getting all serious and vexed over being hoodwinked by a journalist, the rest of us are having a bit of fun with the dietary perfection of chocolate and the deity status of various Italian foods. I wonder if the Flying Spaghetti Monster is watching us blaspheme...

And much like the article, you read one thing and came out with another conclusion that suited you when you looked at my post.

 

[Famine]

And people wonder why I never believe people on the internet who say they're leaving

Basically, kids love pizza (it tastes awesome?) and it can be made for dirt cheap, so finding an excuse or loophole to keep it on the menu is what they are doing. Jamie Oliver was doing a good thing (though some of this methods we're a bit overly dramatic) but they weren't interested. The only way to get good food on the menu is to take the crap food off the menu so the kids actually eat it, which obviously isnt going to happen. Crap food is cheaper, its easier and the kids love it.

Pizza really is not healthy, in moderation sure, but all that bread even at the best of times is not something you should eat often, thats before you get into the cheapy crap low quality saturated fat filled salty cheese bread.


When I was in school we had a load of junk food on the menu, I used to live off of pasties and hotdogs (though with real sausage, not like the american type), we had big inhouse baked cookies, coca cola vending machines and chips were probably the most sold food, all of that is gone now though, you're basically forced into eating atleast half decent here in the UK schools.

Where did I ever say anything about pizza being a veg? You keep reposting this same thing as if people can't read it the first time. What I said was about the tomato paste.

So as i said.

Dude... give it up already. You know, like you said you'd do.

 

[GTsail]

PIZZA --- the perfect food!

As ryanb98 said, it covers everything in the food pyramid.

And once you acquire a sufficient quantity of the cardboard boxes, your housing requirements are satisfied!

GTsail

 

[Bigbazz]

You still don't get it. I'm finding it hard to believe you're not just trolling right now, though you probably are based on the rest of the thread. You're still stuck on the pizza being a veg.

"Finding an excuse to keep it on the menu" = If 2 spoons of tomato counts as your portion of veg we can keep pizza on the menu. How does this have anything to do with suggesting that americans think pizza is a veg, or that I think pizza is a veg, or anything to do with pizza being a veg?


Infact I never mentioned nor suggested in any of that highlighted post above that pizza is a veg. I did say.

Kids like Pizza
Pizza is cheap
Pizza is unhealthy
Pizza is tasty

America wants pizza on the menu so they find an excuse = tomato paste.


You're still reading what you want out of the post, you've done it to a few people in this thread, you really need to take a serious look at learning to read something from an outside perspective, rather than reading it while already knowing what you want to read so that you can reply in the way you want.


Or you're a troll.

 

[BobK]

Nu-uh. Pizza exists.

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You mean.... *GASP* Clapton doesn't exist? My .mp3's are just gonna go poof now? Wait a minute... is this some sort of Schrodinger's Cat (or Schrodinger's Guitarist) experiment?

 

[Famine]

You still don't get it. I'm finding it hard to believe you're not just trolling right now, though you probably are based on the rest of the thread. You're still stuck on the pizza being a veg.

Nope. Never mentioned in fact.

"Finding an excuse to keep it on the menu" = If 2 spoons of tomato counts as your portion of veg we can keep pizza on the menu. How does this have anything to do with suggesting that americans think pizza is a veg, or that I think pizza is a veg, or anything to do with pizza being a veg?

I never said it did. However, let's look at that first line:

"Finding an excuse to keep it on the menu" = If 2 spoons of tomato counts as your portion of veg we can keep pizza on the menu.

This requires you to ignore the entire story. I've posted it often enough - I very specifically posted it right after your first post, quoting the line where you said that and rebutted it - so there's no real excuse for having missed it.

The story is nothing to do with pizza. Pizza is a silly headline food conjured up by a journo to sucker people into thinking about pizza. Looks like it worked.

The story was a planned change - by the US Agriculture Department - to increase the amount of tomato paste required to qualify as a single serving of fruit/vegetable from two tablespoons of it to one half cup. Note how there's nothing to do with pizza there. The planned change was nixed by the House of Representatives, so the status quo was preserved. Note how there's nothing to do with pizza there either.

At this point a journo reporting on Agriculture affairs noticed "Hey... on a one-eighth slice of 13" pizza there's about two tablespoons of tomato paste... That means that, officially, Congress has decided that pizza can be a vegetable! LOL!" and trolled the internet with it - you included. Of course technically he's right - except that Congress didn't decide it. They decided not to change it. Of course if they had, it'd have made a one-quarter slice of 13" pizza into a vegetable. Oh look, pizza can be a vegetable! LOL!

Now, tell me... How do we get from "Congress decide not to increase the minimum requirement of one-serving of tomato paste from two tablespoons to a half cup" to "They're finding an excuse to keep pizza on the menu!"?

Of course... we don't. Nothing has changed. Pizza's still pizza and two tablespoons of tomato paste is still two tablespoons of tomato paste and a serving of fruits or vegetables. No-one's making any excuses or loopholes to do anything - no law changed - it's just one journo making up something silly to make a dull story look ridiculous. Of course if Congress had decided to go with Agriculture and make the change, we'd now be shouting from the rafters about forcing Americans to eat twice as much pizza for the same benefit lol stupid fat americanz oneoneone.

America wants pizza on the menu so they find an excuse = tomato paste.

Nothing changed = nothing changed. Tomato paste was a fruit/vegetable product yesterday and will be tomorrow. The amount of it required to be one serving was the same yesterday as it will be tomorrow. The amount of it on one slice of pizza was the same yesterday as it will be tomorrow. Nothing. Changed.

Just for clarity: NOTHING. CHANGED. So how is that "finding an excuse to keep pizza on the menu" using tomato paste?

You're still reading what you want out of the post, you've done it to a few people in this thread, you really need to take a serious look at learning to read something from an outside perspective, rather than reading it while already knowing what you want to read so that you can reply in the way you want.

Or you're a troll.

Your first post was nothing but a diatribe on junk food and what "they" want. Your second post - following my rebuttal of that - was one of confusion. Your third was a denial that you were talking about junk food, quoted and bolded above. You've made up some story in your head that the US Government wants kids to eat pizza and so has made a rule about tomato paste - it didn't. No change occurred as a result of Congress voting not to change anything.

You can man up and admit you read the article wrong, stick to your word and give it a rest or just keep digging the same old hole. The first two options have some grace about them. Your call, of course.


Someone who goes on and on knowing they're wrong after pretending they meant something else after saying they "give up" suggesting other people are trolls? Oh, sweet ironing.

You mean.... *GASP* Clapton doesn't exist? My .mp3's are just gonna go poof now? Wait a minute... is this some sort of Schrodinger's Cat (or Schrodinger's Guitarist) experiment?

You can probably keep Sergeant Pepperoni's Heart Club Band...

 

[sumbrownkid]

Like Childhood obesity was easy enough to prevent...

 

[Moglet]

The whole peanut allergy thing irritates me to no end. I was talking with my cousin the other night and her daughter recently started attending school all day and had to bring a lunch. Her kid loves peanut butter and jelly sandwiches but she's not allowed to bring them in her lunch because 1 kid out of several hundred students is allergic. I don't understand why the food choices of hundreds must be changed for one kid. And you know eventually that kid is going to grow up and get a job, do you think that the workplace will ban peanut butter? Probably not.

When I was flying to Jamaica the stewardess asked me if they could serve peanuts on board since I'm allergic. I said no. And on the way back.

Problem passengers?

 

[shmogt]

Ok just for the record if any of you actually believe pizza is a vegetable you are a dumbass lol. I hate when stuff like this comes out to try and make people feel better about eating bad foods. Last one I heard was potato chips are bad for you but just barely. Like really compared to what? Cake lol? Pizza is awful for you even if you make it healthy. Whole wheat doe, lots of REAL vegetables, and chicken with low fat cheese I guess is healthiest pizza you can make and even that is only good if you have like two slices max. Normal pizza is just carbs and fatty cheese. Like worst possible meal. Any other toppings you add don't make it better at all.

 

[AMCNUT]

I'm disappointed - I just had vegetables pizza for dinner and completely forgot to think of this thread until now!

 

[ParkourVeyron]

Whole wheat doe

I've been hunting all week and have only seen whitetail does... never seen the kind you're talking about.

Anyway,
Tomato paste=fruit
Cheese=dairy
Dough=grain

No vegetables in there anywhere, it's just the government doing stupid stuff for stupid reasons.

 

[Bram Turismo]

Nu-uh. Pizza exists.

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Well played, sir, well played.

 

[shmogt]

I've been hunting all week and have only seen whitetail does... never seen the kind you're talking about.

Anyway,
Tomato paste=fruit
Cheese=dairy
Dough=grain

No vegetables in there anywhere, it's just the government doing stupid stuff for stupid reasons.

Ahaha I knew it looked slightly weird when I typed it.

It's true tho like tomatoes are good for you but the sauce is like insane amounts of sugar and salt and all the rest of the ingredients are the cheapest most chemically made ingredients ever.

 

[ParkourVeyron]

Ahaha I knew it looked slightly weird when I typed it.

It's true tho like tomatoes are good for you but the sauce is like insane amounts of sugar and salt and all the rest of the ingredients are the cheapest most chemically made ingredients ever.

They put sugar in pizza sauce?

 

[shmogt]

They put sugar in pizza sauce?

Go get a tomato and smash it up tell me if it taste anything like pizza sauce. Than add in a ton of sugar and tell me which is closer. What I have learned is pretty much everything has lots of sugar in it unless you make it yourself. Don't be fooled by labels that say no sugar added either because they are just talking about extra sugar not that it has no sugar in it.

 

[homeforsummer]

Ok just for the record if any of you actually believe pizza is a vegetable you are a dumbass lol. I hate when stuff like this comes out to try and make people feel better about eating bad foods. Last one I heard was potato chips are bad for you but just barely. Like really compared to what? Cake lol? Pizza is awful for you even if you make it healthy. Whole wheat doe, lots of REAL vegetables, and chicken with low fat cheese I guess is healthiest pizza you can make and even that is only good if you have like two slices max. Normal pizza is just carbs and fatty cheese. Like worst possible meal. Any other toppings you add don't make it better at all.

No vegetables in there anywhere, it's just the government doing stupid stuff for stupid reasons.

Christ on a bike

Have you two read nothing of the last six pages?

This is nothing to do with the government. They've not taken any action on anything. It's really, teeth-grindingly simple: One serving of pizza contains two tablespoonfuls of tomato paste. Two tablespoonfuls of tomato paste equals one portion of fruit/veg.

Therefore one serving of pizza contains the equivalent of one portion of fruit/veg. Nothing more. It's not some big conspiracy to get people to eat pizza, from the government or anyone else.

Don't be fooled by labels that say no sugar added either because they are just talking about extra sugar not that it has no sugar in it.

Last time I checked companies didn't remove natural sugars from foods. And tomatoes aren't particularly high in sugars anyway. So I'm not quite sure what your point is.