Wii U Project Cars Discussion

[Wolfe]

Whoops
From what I heard now it's not even happening. That sucks because I don't even have an Xbone or PS4.
I wouldn't mind if they still released it, I don't play with a steering wheel anyways. Maybe I could use a Wii Wheel

That post was from when the PC/PS4/XBone versions were still due in November 2014 (and one of the last things said about the Wii U version was that it was "extremely promising").

Ian Bell said they were waiting to see if Nintendo unveils new hardware at E3 this week. After nothing is shown of the NX during Nintendo's Digital Event tomorrow, the ball is back in SMS's court to make a final decision.

 

[Benny44]

Yep, we should know a lot more by the end of the week. Unless they decide to try and quietly kill it, which will create a backlash

 

[MisterWaffles]

That post was from when the PC/PS4/XBone versions were still due in November 2014 (and one of the last things said about the Wii U version was that it was "extremely promising").

Ian Bell said they were waiting to see if Nintendo unveils new hardware at E3 this week. After nothing is shown of the NX during Nintendo's Digital Event tomorrow, the ball is back in SMS's court to make a final decision.

I bet the codename nx won't be out for another three years at the most, by that time people will be waiting for project cars 2

 

[Crashbroke23]

So, Ian Bell. He really doesn't like Nintendo Users. The head of SMS himself, not caring about people who invested into the game during it's crowdfunding sceme, or are actively willing to pay money for a game that may not see the light of day on the WiiU or NX.

The potential of a sports/racing game with any resemblance of realism when using the Tablet as more than just the main viewing screen are basicly limitless. For instance, for a racing game the tablet touch screen would have been a perfect home for: In-Car tools during a race, proper Timing and Scoring, Motec telemetery and display using racing, changing pit strategery on the fly, etc. And the only dev who showed the intial intention (as far as we know of course) to try backs off and refuses to show remorse.

 

[GregTheStig]

So, Ian Bell. He really doesn't like Nintendo Users. The head of SMS himself, not caring about people who invested into the game during it's crowdfunding sceme, or are actively willing to pay money for a game that may not see the light of day on the WiiU or NX.

I'll first say that I think Ian Bell comes across as a massive knob.

I heard about this elsewhere and immediately felt horrible for everyone expecting them to hold their promise and release it on Wii U. I really do feel terrible for you guys and it's making me - a PC user with his own issues in this game - consider getting a Steam refund and never supporting them again.

But I'd like to think he's just being sarcastic with that comment. The problem is of course that sarcasm is hard to pick up when the head of a studio is putting that in writing on a forum. Whether he was serious or not, that should have never been posted and it's still making me want to stop supporting them.

 

[Johnnypenso]

So, Ian Bell. He really doesn't like Nintendo Users. The head of SMS himself, not caring about people who invested into the game during it's crowdfunding sceme, or are actively willing to pay money for a game that may not see the light of day on the WiiU or NX.

The potential of a sports/racing game with any resemblance of realism when using the Tablet as more than just the main viewing screen are basicly limitless. For instance, for a racing game the tablet touch screen would have been a perfect home for: In-Car tools during a race, proper Timing and Scoring, Motec telemetery and display using racing, changing pit strategery on the fly, etc. And the only dev who showed the intial intention (as far as we know of course) to try backs off and refuses to show remorse.

Obvious sarcasm is obvious on the part of Mr. Bell.

 

[c172fccc]

http://forum.projectcarsgame.com/sh...ii-U-run-PCARS&p=944914&viewfull=1#post944914

 

[FuriousDemon]

I'll first say that I think Ian Bell comes across as a massive knob.

I heard about this elsewhere and immediately felt horrible for everyone expecting them to hold their promise and release it on Wii U. I really do feel terrible for you guys and it's making me - a PC user with his own issues in this game - consider getting a Steam refund and never supporting them again.

But I'd like to think he's just being sarcastic with that comment. The problem is of course that sarcasm is hard to pick up when the head of a studio is putting that in writing on a forum. Whether he was serious or not, that should have never been posted and it's still making me want to stop supporting them.

Don't you only get refunds for games that you played less than 2 hours?

 

[Crashbroke23]

http://forum.projectcarsgame.com/sh...ii-U-run-PCARS&p=944914&viewfull=1#post944914

Quite the amount of condescending and contemptment being done by Ian Bell. This is a head of a development studio we are talking about, one that people actively invested large amounts of money into.

 

[Wolfe]

I was just visiting the PCARS forum to check up on a Wii-U-related thread, and I see this comment of Ian's has blown up a bit around the web. I agree that it was sarcasm; I also agree with what @GregTheStig said about it.

What's truly embarrassing is the forum community's reaction to some of the backlash it attracted (not AUP friendly). It's precisely what I meant when I said in the PCARS2 funding thread that I did not want to be a part of that community. It's not just public forum members, but a few WMD members and a moderator or two joining in, all acting like a schoolyard mob. There's real irony in the ever-popular punchline of Nintendo being a "kiddie" brand.

I don't mean to badmouth another forum here, but it's so systemic and brainless that responding there is akin to engaging with YouTube comments.

 

[GregTheStig]

Don't you only get refunds for games that you played less than 2 hours?

Oh yeah. And it has to be within 14 days of the purchase. Derp.

 

[Arixant]

Man this is beyond messed up what SMS are getting away with now. First shelving the game and then insulting the user base and then letting the whole community dogpile on that.

I can only see Ian dropping the ball now,
"We couldn't do rally for pCARS 2 because we couldnt get it to work" "We dislike rally fans"
(/s)

 

[BrandonW77]

Obvious sarcasm is obvious on the part of Mr. Bell.

Right? I can't help but laugh at all these "Ian Bell is a complete jerk!" comments. He is British and is exhibiting classic British humor/sarcasm that's obvious to anyone who's been exposed to it. Meantime, we have North Americans, who are always on the lookout for something to be offended by, getting their panties twisted because they can't spot obvious sarcasm. I agree that he's said a few things that were a bit unprofessional, but for the most part he's just responding to smartass comments/rants/complaints with equally smartass/sarcastic responses (much the same I would do when dealing with whiny children).

 

[Formula1269]

Right? I can't help but laugh at all these "Ian Bell is a complete jerk!" comments. He is British and is exhibiting classic British humor/sarcasm that's obvious to anyone who's been exposed to it. Meantime, we have North Americans, who are always on the lookout for something to be offended by, getting their panties twisted because they can't spot obvious sarcasm. I agree that he's said a few things that were a bit unprofessional, but for the most part he's just responding to smartass comments/rants/complaints with equally smartass/sarcastic responses (much the same I would do when dealing with whiny children).

As a Brit who's been working and living in North America for nearly 20 years now I can say that there is some truth to this, especially in the United States.

 

[BrandonW77]

As a Brit who's been working and living in North America for nearly 20 years now I can say that there is some truth to this, especially in the United States.

Yep. I visited England for a couple weeks several years ago and I noticed two major things: A) People aren't looking for things to be offended by, and if someone does get offended by something nobody else really cares nor do they try to coddle them, and 2) Everyone isn't looking for a reason to sue somebody.

 

[McKiernan]

Right? I can't help but laugh at all these "Ian Bell is a complete jerk!" comments. He is British and is exhibiting classic British humor/sarcasm that's obvious to anyone who's been exposed to it. Meantime, we have North Americans, who are always on the lookout for something to be offended by, getting their panties twisted because they can't spot obvious sarcasm. I agree that he's said a few things that were a bit unprofessional, but for the most part he's just responding to smartass comments/rants/complaints with equally smartass/sarcastic responses (much the same I would do when dealing with whiny children).

He's Irish actually but your point is right all the same.

 

[YayoiGT2]

I read into the sarcasm fine, but I can't help but wonder if a lot of the upset on the forums could have been avoided with a Slightly Differently Worded Answer (TM).

 

[UKMikey]

They're really calling themselves WiiLITANTs? I feel bad for Nintendo users missing out on PCars but hopefully this is just a vocal subset. It's not a good look.

 

[Wolfe]

They're really calling themselves WiiLITANTs?

I figured that was an title edit by a moderator, since they have a habit of relabeling threads in that fashion, like this.

 

[McKiernan]

I figured that was an title edit by a moderator, since they have a habit of relabeling threads in that fashion, like this.

But in that example the thread was asking a question to which the answer was no, hence the No being added in brackets to the thread title. They relabel some thread titles with, for example (Solved), and so on when the issue is dealt with. That's a little different to relabeling a thread title to mock people, I'd be surprised and disappointed if that was what happened there.

Edit: It does appear it was a moderated thread title afterall

 

[c172fccc]

They're really calling themselves WiiLITANTs? I feel bad for Nintendo users missing out on PCars but hopefully this is just a vocal subset. It's not a good look.

Militant: Favouring confrontational or violent methods in support of a political or social cause.
WiiLITANT: Favouring confrontational or violent methods in support of the Wii.

Looking a that thread (warning: bad language), it isn't too far off to me.

 

[GregTheStig]

Right? I can't help but laugh at all these "Ian Bell is a complete jerk!" comments. He is British and is exhibiting classic British humor/sarcasm that's obvious to anyone who's been exposed to it. Meantime, we have North Americans, who are always on the lookout for something to be offended by, getting their panties twisted because they can't spot obvious sarcasm. I agree that he's said a few things that were a bit unprofessional, but for the most part he's just responding to smartass comments/rants/complaints with equally smartass/sarcastic responses (much the same I would do when dealing with whiny children).

Sarcasm is hard to pick up over text, especially when it's coming from the man running the place. He knew it was going to start a 🤬 show and could have said something else had he really cared about being professional. Or this all could have been avoided with a simple "/s".

 

[Brend]

Ian Bell isn't funny in the slightest though. His unwittyness is on apar with slapstick humor.

Like @Wolfe said, I have no impulse to invest any sort of cash for multiple reasons but one would be the way the community of WMD members seem to act regarding Nintendo and just in general that isn't "PC Mesta Raec xD" , you'd think the choice of gaming format you choose is something worth bragging about when you see some of the behavouir from anyone. As a current Wii U, PS4 and Xbox One owner as of september, I find each console to be flawed to a heavy extent in each of their own ways, I'd be damned if the PC doesnt have any flaws.

 

[Parker]

Whether his comments are sarcastic or not he comes across as extremely unprofessional. I can guarantee you that if Kaz were to come here (or on an official GT forum) and make some comments like Mr. Bell has, the same people defending the head of SMS would be outraged by Kaz.

The man is supposed to be running a company, if he can't respond to complaints in a respectful manner he should allow someone else to do it for him. This is all my opinion of course and I'm far from offended by anything he has said.

 

[Brend]

Whether his comments are sarcastic or not he comes across as extremely unprofessional. I can guarantee you that if Kaz were to come here (or on an official GT forum) and make some comments like Mr. Bell has, the same people defending the head of SMS would be outraged by Kaz.

The man is supposed to be running a company, if he can't respond to complaints in a respectful manner he should allow someone else to do it for him. This is all my opinion of course and I'm far from offended by anything he has said.

Kaz would be disciplined by Sony too. No doubt about it, there's a difference between an aggreived customer and a supposed figure-head of a company. Basic Customer Service protocol obviously escapes this keyboard-empowered little man.

 

[FuriousDemon]

He is not very professional in answering questions that would get you a warning at least on most forums. Kaz or any other "talking head" would just either ignore it or wrote "we are looking at your concerns." Do you know many other game dev companies where the devs are actively engaged on the forums? I know Ian is not perfect, but if you addressed him in a proper fashion you will either get a reply or at least you won't get this kind of an answer. Some of his actions are a bit questionable, specifically the bans to a couple of people who I thought didn't deserve it, but that's a drop in the bucket.

Anyway, you can dislike SMS/WMD/Ian all you like but you can't say that you don't get a lot of the information and details about the game development out of it.

 

[glassjaw]

People need to lighten up and relax in the face of obvious sarcasm, funny or not. That simple.

 

[Spooky Wooky]

If I interacted with my customers the way Ian Bell does, (joking or not) after a while I would have no customers. The only reason Ian Bell gets away with it is because he knows that a handful of customers saying "I'm not buying your product" will not significantly affect his bottom line. Basically he can say what he likes.

If he doesn't like criticism, he doesn't have to read it. The same goes the other way, if people don't like his attitude, don't go on the official forum.

 

[Mike_grpA]

So, Ian Bell. He really doesn't like Nintendo Users. The head of SMS himself, not caring about people who invested into the game during it's crowdfunding sceme, or are actively willing to pay money for a game that may not see the light of day on the WiiU or NX.

The potential of a sports/racing game with any resemblance of realism when using the Tablet as more than just the main viewing screen are basicly limitless. For instance, for a racing game the tablet touch screen would have been a perfect home for: In-Car tools during a race, proper Timing and Scoring, Motec telemetery and display using racing, changing pit strategery on the fly, etc. And the only dev who showed the intial intention (as far as we know of course) to try backs off and refuses to show remorse.

I've seen a lot of people go on about the potential the wii tablet controller offers to project cars, but the fact is, the ps4 also offers full support to use tablets as second screens in game, and sms didn't bother taking advantage of that in any way, despite the obvious benefits to the players, so why would you expect them to go to so much trouble on the wiiu version?

The problem with the game was that even in ideal conditions, it was running at barely over 20fps at 720p, and that was once they had optimised everything they felt they could. to even get a stable 30fps at 720p, they'd need to butcher the tyre model, which is the most taxing part of the game on the systems, and that would make the game completely different, and massively inferior, which obviously they wouldn't want.

Couple that to the tiny amount of people who'd actually buy it on wii u (10 mil install base, and most of those only bought it for nintendo exclusives, anyone interested in racing sims would have a pc or a ps4/xb1 as well as their wii), you can easily understand why they aren't bothering with spending so much extra time/money to try get the wii u version out.

I don't mean to badmouth another forum here, but it's so systemic and brainless that responding there is akin to engaging with YouTube comments.

Ah the youtube comments section... Where one can observe the moron in it's natural habitat

Edit: After reading some of that Wiilitant thread, I actually do find some of Ian's responses pretty funny. The way he just trolls the butthurt fanboys on there is priceless. It's much better than the usual sterile PR talk we get from devs, or in the case of PD, complete silence lol.

 

[Benny44]

The fact is that SMS should not have said they were going to make a Wii U version. It was initially on PS3/360, and the Wii U would have been the premium console version. It would seem when they changed their minds about PS3/360, they also changed their minds about making any sort of Nintendo product. The problem is what they said and what they did were two very different things. If they just would have manned up from the start and said they were sorry, they couldn't make the Wii U version, I would have been able to at least had some respect for them. But they decided to try and sweep their issues under the rug.