Will you go to XBone if Standard cars are officially announced for GT7?

[JKgo]

Less than 1/8th were converted to "super-Standard" (sic) quality in GT6, after three years between it and GT5. If people expect every single Standard to be brought up to that level of detail - which would still be below most of the competition on the current gen - they're going to be disappointed, unless PD has somehow found a way to massively increase their output while also bringing us new Premiums.

Hence why not drop 'em altogether and re-introduce a few iconic cars when they are ready??
.........Man, this car padding malarkey needs to stop before it balloons into a MUCH bigger mess than it is right now. Got a feeling that even the car makers aren't too fond of jaggedy-do representation of their pride and joy...

 

[Haulin_Hebrew]

Nah it's fair. Especially considering I'm paying them to give me a product worth $60 bucks

I don't see any of the other Autosport Games as perfect on the PS3 or PS4, they all have their Pros & Cons, I think because GT Series is so far ahead of the competition, players desire it to meet all of their needs, but if there were a better Autosports game on Console we would have it, and that would be the topic of conversation. I was looking at Youtube last night because I was thinking about buying Grid Autosport, this is what I found and have developed a whole new appreciation for GT 6, Codemasters Grid Autosport is awful look at this review:

 

[JuuWoo]

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[Haulin_Hebrew]

Why to drop the car limit for better quality

I think because some drivers love Cockpit view, I just developed a real appreciation for it, because it give you the feel of really driving with A wheel set, but I would never NOT buy GT 7 Because of standard cars, there are a few cars that I would love to see as premium, I would love to see at least one Ruf as premium and BMW M 1998. but it's not a deal breaker if PDI doesn't fulfill my request, because there are Soooooo many premium cars I love.

 

[mister dog]

I don't see any of the other Autosport Games as perfect on the PS3 or PS4, they all have their Pros & Cons, I think because GT Series is so far ahead of the competition, players desire it to meet all of their needs, but if there were a better Autosports game on Console we would have it, and that would be the topic of conversation. I was looking at Youtube last night because I was thinking about buying Grid Autosport, this is what I found and have developed a whole new appreciation for GT 6, Codemasters Grid Autosport is awful look at this review: <iframe width="560" height="315" src="//www.youtube.com/embed/PPEI6W4hCpw" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Whilst it is true every racing game has it's pro and cons, the GT series has definitely not been far ahead of the competition since the PS2 days. You talk about 'autosports' but all you do in GT is pass terribly slow AI bots that don't even fight for their positions on your way to the rabbit that's far in front, how can this have anything to do with autosports when the basic race formula isn't even a proper race, it's just bodging your way through traffic.

And regarding Grid AS, shame you let this moron in the video guide your opinion as all he does is point out the minor cons of this game like the basic cockpit view and the lack of a mirror, whilst missing out on the best offline racing versus the AI you can currently get on last gen consoles.

 

[Haulin_Hebrew]

And regarding Grid AS, shame you let this moron in the video guide your opinion as all he does is point out the minor cons of this game like the basic cockpit view and the lack of a mirror, whilst

You are correct to a degree, because my real point is to show all Autosports Game on console has Pros & Cons, and I used Grid Autosport because it is made by a huge Company Codemasters, so it should have all the things the reviewer mentioned, and I agree, GT 7 needs to make that improvement in AI competitiveness, but I just turn down the PP on the car I'm using much lower than the AI field and use Braking, Cornering, and Slipstreaming to make it more competitive. I don't want AI cars slamming into me fighting for position, I like clean races, so I would NOT Buy Grid Autosports, but if you like all the things he mentioned, then by all means buy Grid Autosports, but for me it is A Deal Breaker, There is A saying that goes, "One Mans Trash, Is Another Mans Treasure" So No game is going to meet all of everyones Autosports desires, which was the response to my original post. To buy a variety of Autosports games to meet all your needs, instead of feeling your favorite games has to meet all of everyone's expectations, which would be impossible. Oh and don't forget GT 5 is #5 of the top selling PS3 video games in any category of all times, So GT is Head and Shoulders above the field in Autosorts games on PS3 console.

 

[mister dog]

Yup if you put the AI on hard, in general there are first corner crashes and you get punted out often, so you need to do a couple of restarts sometimes to survive the mayhem (or take it easier yourself at the start), but that is quite reflective of motorsports in real life when everyone heads for the 1st corner with a knife between their teeth. After that the AI is fast and respects your position most of the time which makes the racing exciting and makes you have to concentrate in order to win or even to take points. It feels very satisfying each time i have to say.

When i still played GT i also had to lower the PP all the time in order to have a bit of a challenge, problem is that with this new race format they introduced you cannot really permit to lower the PP so you are on par with the AI's speed as you need to catch up 30 seconds in 3 or so laps each time otherwise there's no chance to win. It really is the most stupid and irritating way of organizing a race, and i hope for PD's sake they drop this for good come GT7.

 

[Zuku]

I don't see any of the other Autosport Games as perfect on the PS3 or PS4, they all have their Pros & Cons, I think because GT Series is so far ahead of the competition, players desire it to meet all of their needs, but if there were a better Autosports game on Console we would have it, and that would be the topic of conversation. I was looking at Youtube last night because I was thinking about buying Grid Autosport, this is what I found and have developed a whole new appreciation for GT 6, Codemasters Grid Autosport is awful look at this review: <iframe width="560" height="315" src="//www.youtube.com/embed/PPEI6W4hCpw" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

That's not really that bad of a game being hearing nothing, but rave reviews about it, and honestly GT6 is nowhere close to being perfect one whole year later, and it barely gets anything correct.

All that video you posted showed me was that Grid AS looks like a fun game yeah cockpit view isn't that great so what. GT6 isn't perfect either not by a long shot, but Grid AS has A.I from what I can gather that challenges you.

Also although you're probably talking about just Autosport games by itself I've played other racing games that still do a better job than what GT5 or GT6(more so this one) has tried for the past year.

Even the old as dirt at this moment Wipeout HD/Fury is a better game is it car racing nah, but I don't care about that I'm just looking for good ol fun factor when racing that game had it, and it still does.

This whole car count crap PD has brainwashed most of the users to believe in car count = better game which I believe is total bull****.

All these other games barely cross 200 cars and most of them are better than GT5/GT6 combined.

 

[Harsk100]

I won't bother with standard cars and premium cars. Because I do not mind if the standard cars be on GT7, as long as the premium car count increases.

 

[Johnnypenso]

You are correct to a degree, because my real point is to show all Autosports Game on console has Pros & Cons, and I used Grid Autosport because it is made by a huge Company Codemasters, so it should have all the things the reviewer mentioned, and I agree, GT 7 needs to make that improvement in AI competitiveness, but I just turn down the PP on the car I'm using much lower than the AI field and use Braking, Cornering, and Slipstreaming to make it more competitive. I don't want AI cars slamming into me fighting for position, I like clean races, so I would NOT Buy Grid Autosports, but if you like all the things he mentioned, then by all means buy Grid Autosports, but for me it is A Deal Breaker, There is A saying that goes, "One Mans Trash, Is Another Mans Treasure" So No game is going to meet all of everyones Autosports desires, which was the response to my original post. To buy a variety of Autosports games to meet all your needs, instead of feeling your favorite games has to meet all of everyone's expectations, which would be impossible. Oh and don't forget GT 5 is #5 of the top selling PS3 video games in any category of all times, So GT is Head and Shoulders above the field in Autosorts games on PS3 console.

I believe you are missing the forest for the trees. Grid AutoSport is not a beautiful game, nor does it pretend to have simulation type physics. What it does have is incredible, door to door, intensely competitive racing against the AI. You can't judge a game by a Youtube video because the person putting up the video only shows you what they want to show you. I played GAS for 2 months solid and it's offline racing can't be beat, period, end of story. The AI in GT5/6 is literally on Mario Kart level compared to the speed, consistency, spatial awareness etc. of the GRID AI. I figured I was a pro so I set the AI to max and started my career. I think it was 22 races before I had a pole and my average finish was 5th or 6th. The only time I could win a race was in a reverse grid situation and only then by being absolutely perfect for the entire race.

The only teams that are aggressive are your "rivals" and you only need to be aware of their position on the track (your pitcrew calls it out to you in the car) to counter them as they are pretty predictable. Don't give them any room up the inside, don't try to get a nose in front of their rear bumper entering a corner and that's it. I have not enjoyed racing offline since GT4 and money glitches in GT5 and GT6 allowed me to skip almost all the offline much to my relief, but GAS you can play just for the AI, it's that good IMO. After my first race in GAS my heart was pumping, I was sweating and I was sore from being tense and on the edge literally the entire race. It was exhilarating. If you want good racing offline, there's nothing better than Grid Autosport on the PS3.

The game looks much better on PC and I'd get it if I wasn't already overwhelmed with games. This video gives you a glimpse of what for me was a typical race against the AI. Notice at the beginning how you immediately feel like you're at a race track. It feels alive! Loved it!:

 

[Haulin_Hebrew]

I believe you are missing the forest for the trees.

Come on @Johnnypenso, You could not be reading my entire post, from your response, and I quote

buy a variety of Autosports games to meet all your needs, instead of feeling your favorite games has to meet all of everyone's expectations, which would be impossible.

I don't want AI cars slamming into me fighting for position, I like clean races, so I would NOT Buy Grid Autosports, but if you like all the things he mentioned, then by all means buy Grid Autosports

There is A saying that goes, "One Mans Trash, Is Another Mans Treasure" So No game is going to meet all of everyones Autosports desires, which was the response to my original post.

I like mirrors, I like Replay, I like Cockpit view, I Like CLEAN Races, So I don't like Grid Autosport. Different Games for different preferences IS THE FOREST, I think you missed that.

Update: I just looked up GRID Autosport and saw it only cost $19.00:tup: Now that's A deal changer, I may try it for $19.00.

I will repost in The GRID Forum once I try it. Thanx Guys!!

I believe you are missing the forest for the trees. Grid AutoSport is not a beautiful game, nor does it pretend to have simulation type physics. What it does have is incredible, door to door, intensely competitive racing against the AI. You can't judge a game by a Youtube video because the person putting up the video only shows you what they want to show you. I played GAS for 2 months solid and it's offline racing can't be beat, period, end of story. The AI in GT5/6 is literally on Mario Kart level compared to the speed, consistency, spatial awareness etc. of the GRID AI. I figured I was a pro so I set the AI to max and started my career. I think it was 22 races before I had a pole and my average finish was 5th or 6th. The only time I could win a race was in a reverse grid situation and only then by being absolutely perfect for the entire race.

The only teams that are aggressive are your "rivals" and you only need to be aware of their position on the track (your pitcrew calls it out to you in the car) to counter them as they are pretty predictable. Don't give them any room up the inside, don't try to get a nose in front of their rear bumper entering a corner and that's it. I have not enjoyed racing offline since GT4 and money glitches in GT5 and GT6 allowed me to skip almost all the offline much to my relief, but GAS you can play just for the AI, it's that good IMO. After my first race in GAS my heart was pumping, I was sweating and I was sore from being tense and on the edge literally the entire race. It was exhilarating. If you want good racing offline, there's nothing better than Grid Autosport on the PS3.

The game looks much better on PC and I'd get it if I wasn't already overwhelmed with games. This video gives you a glimpse of what for me was a typical race against the AI. Notice at the beginning how you immediately feel like you're at a race track. It feels alive! Loved it!:

If it had A clean Cockpit view, and mirrors, and replay, I think that would make it A deal changer, I will wait to see what Codemasters will do with Grid Next Gen development, but that's just my opinion.

All that video you posted showed me was that Grid AS looks like a fun game yeah cockpit view isn't that great so what. GT6 isn't perfect either not by a long shot, but Grid AS has A.I from what I can gather that challenges you.

I think you may have missed the rest of the conversation:

You are correct to a degree, because my real point is to show all Autosports Game on console has Pros & Cons, and I used Grid Autosport because it is made by a huge Company Codemasters, so it should have all the things the reviewer mentioned, and I agree, GT 7 needs to make that improvement in AI competitiveness, but I just turn down the PP on the car I'm using much lower than the AI field and use Braking, Cornering, and Slipstreaming to make it more competitive. I don't want AI cars slamming into me fighting for position, I like clean races, so I would NOT Buy Grid Autosports, but if you like all the things he mentioned, then by all means buy Grid Autosports, but for me it is A Deal Breaker, There is A saying that goes, "One Mans Trash, Is Another Mans Treasure" So No game is going to meet all of everyones Autosports desires, which was the response to my original post. To buy a variety of Autosports games to meet all your needs, instead of feeling your favorite games has to meet all of everyone's expectations, which would be impossible. Oh and don't forget GT 5 is #5 of the top selling PS3 video games in any category of all times, So GT is Head and Shoulders above the field in Autosorts games on PS3 console.

 

[Brend]

The AI in GT5/6 is literally on Mario Kart level compared to the speed, consistency, spatial awareness etc. of the GRID AI.

Somebody hasn't played Mario Kart 8, because it has much better drivers than GT6 ironically.

 

[Haulin_Hebrew]

NOT TRYING TO CHANGES THIS THREAD TO A GRID TOPIC!!!

The Thread Is:
Will you go to XBone if Standard cars are officially announced for GT7?

Sorry I mentioned it Fat Tyre

 

[mister dog]

If it had A clean Cockpit view, and mirrors, and replay, I think that would make it A deal changer, I will wait to see what Codemasters will do with Grid Next Gen development, but that's just my opinion.

You have 2 cockpit views, one further where you see the blurred cockpit and one closer almost on the windscreen. If you use the closer one it's better for the immersion and you don't get bothered by the blurred dash as you don't have it in your line of vision. You can also map a button to look behind replacing the mirror and replays are available also (i'm watching one right now actually, you just can't save them).

Anyway going a bit off topic so let's just call it a day with Grid AS

 

[Haulin_Hebrew]

You have 2 cockpit views, one further where you see the blurred cockpit and one closer almost on the windscreen. If you use the closer one it's better for the immersion and you don't get bothered by the blurred dash as you don't have it in your line of vision. You can also map a button to look behind replacing the mirror and replays are available also (i'm watching one right now actually, you just can't save them).

Anyway going a bit off topic so let's just call it a day with Grid AS

Trying to get this thread back on topic LOL, There is A Forum for GRID, sorry I mentioned it.

 

[mister dog]

Trying to get this thread back on topic LOL, There is A Forum for GRID, sorry I mentioned it.

Well that's what you get for trying to pull another game through the mud, a legion of fanboys comes in to the rescue.

OT; no i won't jump out to buy an Xbone as you have pc also, but a next gen game on PS4 with car models dating back to 2005 is just ridiculous.

 

[Zuku]

I think you may have missed the rest of the conversation:

Yeah because only got pulled into a quote that didn't have the entire conversation.

Still regardless no one here will jump from Console A to B because of standard cars. I jumped from console to PC just because I found Steam(Yes literally never knew it existed or how wonderful it could be), and then compound that with the fact the racing games I've purchased so far are all light years better than GT6 some are even older than it, but better..............actual forget that they're all older than GT6 and still better.

Every feature outside of physics(even that's debatable) I've seen is better in other games Arcade/Sim-cade/Sim or otherwise.

I'm not buying a PS4 just for GT7 I buying it because I like Sony products there are other games I want to see like new MGS and others. Same thing with X1 and Wii U getting those because I like the product, and the games.

Right now GT7 has an uphill climb, and my biggest fear which I stated in another thread I can't recall right now is that Kaz isn't going to learn, and become stuck in his ways, and if that's the case. I've probably made the best decision to find these other racing games.

Bump Car Counts, Bump 2005 standard cars, Bump 1998 A.I as well Gran Turismo is the Buick of racing games until said company decided to get off their a*se and change the image because if you're like me and you know Buick it was like your grandmother/grandfathers car you wouldn't be riding in those if you were 20 or 25 etc.

Until the product matches up pound for pound to what's being offered there's no way I'm spending $60 on a game that asks for micro-transactions now ever again.




Edit: Went into a bit of Rage mode there/rant mode I'm done though and back to normal. Also guess I'm tired of the excuses from PD/Kaz even others either get it done for PS4 or Go Home that's pretty much the message.

 

[sems4arsenal]

PD will have a hard time being the kings of visuals on the Playstation with premiums after Driveclub, let alone with standards. Evo have set the visual bar very very high.

 

[Johnnypenso]

PD will have a hard time b eing the kings of visuals on the Playstation with premiums after Driveclub, let alone with standards. Evo have set the visual bar very very high.

It'll be a 3 way battle for sure..no longer a foregone conclusion that GT is the best on the PS system...

 

[Saidur_Ali]

PD will have a hard time being the kings of visuals on the Playstation with premiums after Driveclub, let alone with standards. Evo have set the visual bar very very high.

Ain't the GT5 Premium cars like double the polygon count of Driveclub? Problem with PD will be needing to run at double the frame rate (Maybe even Quadruple) while still having to beat visuals. Still think PD can do it though. Will be getting Driveclub hopefully by end of this week so finally will be able to see how it looks on screen.

Just saw this picture in GT6 Realistic Thread thread by shmogt, amazing how good GT6 assets can look:

 

[AleksandarSRB]

Ain't the GT5 Premium cars like double the polygon count of Driveclub? Problem with PD will be needing to run at double the frame rate (Maybe even Quadruple) while still having to beat visuals. Still think PD can do it though. Will be getting Driveclub hopefully by end of this week so finally will be able to see how it looks on screen.

Just saw this picture in GT6 Realistic Thread thread by shmogt, amazing how good GT6 assets can look:

 

[Zuku]

Ain't the GT5 Premium cars like double the polygon count of Driveclub? Problem with PD will be needing to run at double the frame rate (Maybe even Quadruple) while still having to beat visuals. Still think PD can do it though. Will be getting Driveclub hopefully by end of this week so finally will be able to see how it looks on screen.

Just saw this picture in GT6 Realistic Thread thread by shmogt, amazing how good GT6 assets can look:

No idea, but honestly speaking until it gets to Playstation 4 PD/Kaz talking out their *** just saying though. Like I said during my rant/rage post it all don't matter unless PD makes a complete package not oh well car count.

It's not fun to try 1260 cars when the A.I sucks so bad it puts you sleep.

 

[sems4arsenal]

Ain't the GT5 Premium cars like double the polygon count of Driveclub? Problem with PD will be needing to run at double the frame rate (Maybe even Quadruple) while still having to beat visuals. Still think PD can do it though. Will be getting Driveclub hopefully by end of this week so finally will be able to see how it looks on screen.

Just saw this picture in GT6 Realistic Thread thread by shmogt, amazing how good GT6 assets can look:

This is photomode, meant gameplay as Granturismo's photomode isn't actually representive. Driveclub is miles ahead, problem for PD like you mentioned is they'll go for 60 FPS but more development time should erase that disadvantage a bit.

@Johnnypenso Indeed CARS is shaping up to be a fantastic game, doubt it will look better though (the console version).

 

[Johnnypenso]

This is photomode, meant gameplay as Granturismo's photomode isn't actually representive. Driveclub is miles ahead, problem for PD like you mentioned is they'll go for 60 FPS but more development time should erase that disadvantage a bit.

@Johnnypenso Indeed CARS is shaping up to be a fantastic game, doubt it will look better though (the console version).

You're probably right not better, I suspect PD will probably still look the best but it won't be the same advantage they had on the PS3 where nothing was really comparable. The visual differences between GT, DC and PCars will be absolutely inconsequential to all but the hardcore fans with an axe to grind and not really consequential for most of us in terms of gameplay. PCars even being mentioned in the same sentence as GT is a major accomplishment on their part given their relatively miniscule budget. Key thing is then, the focus will be off the graphics (although the fanboys on all sides will still fight tooth and nail for internet supremacy for their baby) and onto gameplay and features. As of late, gameplay has been GT's weakness and it remains to be seen how much of that was hardware based and resolved on the PS4, and how much of it is/was by design, intending to please the largest audience at the expense of the hardcore, longterm fanbase.

 

[R5]

No I will not pay £350 and £40 every year because there are standard cars in a single game.

 

[Zuku]

You're probably right not better, I suspect PD will probably still look the best but it won't be the same advantage they had on the PS3 where nothing was really comparable. The visual differences between GT, DC and PCars will be absolutely inconsequential to all but the hardcore fans with an axe to grind and not really consequential for most of us in terms of gameplay. PCars even being mentioned in the same sentence as GT is a major accomplishment on their part given their relatively miniscule budget. Key thing is then, the focus will be off the graphics (although the fanboys on all sides will still fight tooth and nail for internet supremacy for their baby) and onto gameplay and features. As of late, gameplay has been GT's weakness and it remains to be seen how much of that was hardware based and resolved on the PS4, and how much of it is/was by design, intending to please the largest audience at the expense of the hardcore, longterm fanbase.

Gameplay is where it makes or brakes everything for me like what's going on during the race, or before/after etc.

Just last night saw something in GRID never really seen before car actual spin out of control taking the curve to aggressive things like that will make or break this new generation.

No matter how shiny the car gets GT can be as life-like as possible, but without that gameplay it won't matter.

 

[sems4arsenal]

You're probably right not better, I suspect PD will probably still look the best but it won't be the same advantage they had on the PS3 where nothing was really comparable. The visual differences between GT, DC and PCars will be absolutely inconsequential to all but the hardcore fans with an axe to grind and not really consequential for most of us in terms of gameplay. PCars even being mentioned in the same sentence as GT is a major accomplishment on their part given their relatively miniscule budget. Key thing is then, the focus will be off the graphics (although the fanboys on all sides will still fight tooth and nail for internet supremacy for their baby) and onto gameplay and features. As of late, gameplay has been GT's weakness and it remains to be seen how much of that was hardware based and resolved on the PS4, and how much of it is/was by design, intending to please the largest audience at the expense of the hardcore, longterm fanbase.

I doubt the difference would be night and day, since the PS4 is very easy to program for so developers can extract their maximum much more easily (an example is how Uncharted 4 doesn't look a lot better than other game like say The order (which wasn't the case last gen) so you're right about that.

As for gameplay, I very much doubt GT7's physics will be as good as CARS, PD should take their time with GT7 and take some risks in my opinion, ditching standards is just a very logical step in the right direction.

 

[Johnnypenso]

Gameplay is where it makes or brakes everything for me like what's going on during the race, or before/after etc.

Just last night saw something in GRID never really seen before car actual spin out of control taking the curve to aggressive things like that will make or break this new generation.

No matter how shiny the car gets GT can be as life-like as possible, but without that gameplay it won't matter.

Exactly. One can criticize GRID for example saying the physics are simcade or the graphics aren't as good as GT or one of the AI was too aggressive, but if one is a racer and loves competition, you cannot beat this type of action and you cannot deny that from the start of the race until the end, it FEELS like a race. And it's absolutely true to suggest that the AI look like they want to win as badly as you do. In the first lap here, watch the Oakley car shut the door when you try to nose up the inside and don't get enough overlap to make it stick (1:26, 1:37):

I doubt the difference would be night and day, since the PS4 is very easy to program for so developers can extract their maximum much more easily (an example is how Uncharted 4 doesn't look a lot better than other game like say The order (which wasn't the case last gen) so you're right about that.

As for gameplay, I very much doubt GT7's physics will be as good as CARS, PD should take their time with GT7 and take some risks in my opinion, ditching standards is just a very logical step in the right direction.

GT doesn't need great physics to be a great game because great gameplay doesn't need great physics to be great. That's 5 "greats" in one sentence btw Grid Autosport with it's jaggedy-doo looking models and simcade physics gave me a more intense feeling of being in a race than any other game on the PS3, simply because they focused on the elements that truly matter on the track, not in the showroom like GT. A race looks and feels like a race from the get go. Practice/qualify/race. AI that has both A and I. Rivals that hate you and are a little more aggressive. Decent sounds and a simple livery editor. Ability to create an event or series. Rudimentary online rating system. They focused entirely on the racing experience and it worked for me. It worked so well it's part of what inspired me to get a PC because I wanted that same feeling + awesome physics now

The physics in GT are good enough to make a great racer. It's just a matter of focusing on creating a real racing atmosphere and there's simply no excuse not to on the PS4. I fear they will not alter course, and will simply focus on getting more stuff into the game, more cars, more tracks, more semi-useless stuff like the Motec thing and GPS Visualizer and stuff that matters not a bit on the track.

 

[Zuku]

Exactly. One can criticize GRID for example saying the physics are simcade or the graphics aren't as good as GT or one of the AI was too aggressive, but if one is a racer and loves competition, you cannot beat this type of action and you cannot deny that from the start of the race until the end, it FEELS like a race. And it's absolutely true to suggest that the AI look like they want to win as badly as you do. In the first lap here, watch the Oakley car shut the door when you try to nose up the inside and don't get enough overlap to make it stick (1:26, 1:37):



GT doesn't need great physics to be a great game because great gameplay doesn't need great physics to be great. That's 5 "greats" in one sentence btw Grid Autosport with it's jaggedy-doo looking models and simcade physics gave me a more intense feeling of being in a race than any other game on the PS3, simply because they focused on the elements that truly matter on the track, not in the showroom like GT. A race looks and feels like a race from the get go. Practice/qualify/race. AI that has both A and I. Rivals that hate you and are a little more aggressive. Decent sounds and a simple livery editor. Ability to create an event or series. Rudimentary online rating system. They focused entirely on the racing experience and it worked for me. It worked so well it's part of what inspired me to get a PC because I wanted that same feeling + awesome physics now

The physics in GT are good enough to make a great racer. It's just a matter of focusing on creating a real racing atmosphere and there's simply no excuse not to on the PS4. I fear they will not alter course, and will simply focus on getting more stuff into the game, more cars, more tracks, more semi-useless stuff like the Motec thing and GPS Visualizer and stuff that matters not a bit on the track.

@Johnnypenso

See I'm about to tell you what caught my eye, and why I just might purchase this game on PC most likely. It's not just that A.I, but that Helicopter flying around for one thing, and the fact people had their cars at track instead of it being just people, and the leaves kicking up like they did at certain points.

It's just done better in this game is my thing simcade, sim, or arcade if it's racing it's racing no matter what, but that A.I does make you

 

[AleksandarSRB]

I wont go from Playstation ever, never! I grow up on Playstation and will continue to support them. GT is my favorite game, and there is no racing\driving game that can change GT in my heart! Also that is not only game that I love on Playstation I enjoy Good of war, Unleashed, MGS, Tekken, MK,FIFA. I know that some of this games are not PS exclusive anymore but there is lot PS exclusive that I enjoy.... I play loot of racing game but always back to Gran turismo... Simple, I play GT (played all GT games) with passion that other racing game can wake in me... Sorry for my English.