Wouldn't you rather it be the 'Real Racing Simulator'?

[FoolKiller]

And I've only groaned over a very few vehicles, such as the Suzuki, trucks, and the Prius. Sorry, Prius owners, but I meh at your car.

Trucks seemed like an after thought. They could have turned out to be so much more than an A-Spec point booster, but a number of truck and SUV races were had with friends. It was an extension from our old station wagon races in GT2.

As for the Pirus; without it we wouldn't have had the fuel consumption challenges around the Nurburgring.

Somewhere I have a pic I took in photomode where I had taken a Prius and tuned it up with a new transmission (that CVT sucked) and wound up powersliding it through a lot of turns on the Nurburgring.

 

[dancardesigner]

Yet another 👎 to dancardesigner.

I own well over 400 cars in GT4, and only about a quarter of them are racecars. Another quarter of them have less than 250hp. Yes, I have complained about what I call "dinkmobiles" in Gran Turismo, cars with less than 100hp. But, by golly, I own a few of them still, and do race them on occasion. If you want a challenge, try going from last place to first in a Suzuki with 60hp. Not even easy. Okay, it's not as thrilling as a Mercedes Benz E190, Ford GT or RUF, and certainly no racecar, but it's the freaking challenge of it! Isn't that what gaming is all about?

And look, I love race modding cars in Forza too, it's one of the big draws to their series, being able to create cars. Well, until the arbitrary 360 car limit rears its ugly head and you have to dump something. So much for car collecting, which I hope isn't an issue with F3. But the thing is, it's the spectrum of motorsports that I crave. If Kazunori-dono puts a car into Gran Turismo, I'm going to honor him enough and the car to race it at least once. And I've only groaned over a very few vehicles, such as the Suzuki, trucks, and the Prius. Sorry, Prius owners, but I meh at your car.

And as said before, yes, Kazunori-dono has issues to deal with. Cars may not be available. Licensing can be a problem. Eventually SONY has to slap Kaz's hands and say, "Release the darn thing!" Otherwise, I wouldn't doubt he'd rather release another upgrade to Prologue to squeeze in one more year's work on GT5.

If having a game loaded with cars of less than 300 hp makes you want to hurl, then Gran Turismo just isn't your game.

What do you mean another 👎 to me. Get out.

Like many have said i am entitled to my own oppinion, if you don't like it get lost. This whole thread is about debating wether people would rather have race cars anyways, so get lost, i don't care what your reputation on these forums are, i have no respect for you, especially when you make personal attacks. You make it look like i am the only one with a certain oppinion, even if there are others that agree with me.
Go and lick up to GT5 all you want Fanboy.

 

[Demon Drone]

I own well over 400 cars in GT4, and only about a quarter of them are racecars. Another quarter of them have less than 250hp. Yes, I have complained about what I call "dinkmobiles" in Gran Turismo, cars with less than 100hp. But, by golly, I own a few of them still, and do race them on occasion. If you want a challenge, try going from last place to first in a Suzuki with 60hp. Not even easy. Okay, it's not as thrilling as a Mercedes Benz E190, Ford GT or RUF, and certainly no racecar, but it's the freaking challenge of it! Isn't that what gaming is all about?

No it isn't just because it's a challenge. I love a good challenge as long as it keeps me engaged and excited. These 60bhp races bore the hell out of me and yeah they may be hard if you tune the car just right. But sometimes it's so boring and hard I just find it stupid and do another run of the GTWC. And I don't mind the "lower" powered cars myself but it's these crap boxes such as the 2cv that bore me to tears.

 

[Joey D]

I think what's going here is a perfect case why GT, and other racing games for that matter, should include a selection of lower horsepower normal, everyday cars and the high horsepower, race cars. It's quite obvious there are quite a few people who enjoy racing one over the other and I'm guessing there is even a larger number who enjoy both.

 

[G.T.Ace]

GT4 had the perfect mix of both, thats why i dont understand the comments regarding this.

With Ferrari, Lambo and Bugatti licensed, all major supercar manufacturers except Porsche will be in GT5, there will be tons of fast exotics and race cars plus the everyday vehicles and oldtimers.

 

[FoolKiller]

GT4 had the perfect mix of both, thats why i dont understand the comments regarding this.

With Ferrari, Lambo and Bugatti licensed, all major supercar manufacturers except Porsche will be in GT5, there will be tons of fast exotics and race cars plus the everyday vehicles and oldtimers.

Because some people have the idea that something like Porsche was consciously sacrificed for a Daewoo.

 

[dancardesigner]

GT4 had the perfect mix of both, thats why i dont understand the comments regarding this.

With Ferrari, Lambo and Bugatti licensed, all major supercar manufacturers except Porsche will be in GT5, there will be tons of fast exotics and race cars plus the everyday vehicles and oldtimers.

Well my gripe has nothing to do with prefering Race cars per se, but rather the fact a lot of more popular and historically relevant vehicles have been left out and instead we are given a load of underpowered un-interesting cheap little cars.
Let's be honest, most people do not drive half of what is in GT4.

 

[allen of cars]

But i love the slow cars....that's one of the main reasons why i play gt...that's why i LOVE gt...it's because they take a car that never has a chance to race...and put it on the racetrack anyway..go daihatsu midget!! lol:tup:

 

[FoolKiller]

a lot of more popular and historically relevant vehicles have been left out and instead we are given a load of underpowered un-interesting cheap little cars.

But there is nothing that says these two are connected. If they are loading it up with whatever they can get and they just can't get certain cars then you have lost nothing.

Let's be honest, most people do not drive half of what is in GT4.

Likely true, but no one bought GT4 without having the ability to know that Kazunori Yamauchi wants his game to be something much more than just Really Fast Car Racer. If they know that and still buy it then it is their own fault if they don't like it.

 

[Angerdx]

Get a grip man, as some has already said nothing has been left out, it´s just not how it works.

No matter how much some want specific cars in, there just isn´t any guarante that PD can get their hands on it.

You keep on touting your opinion as fact, which it´s not so stop speaking for other people and their prefrences.

And for the last time if you want a more racing geared game go find it and play that, don´t try and convince people that GT needs changing espescially on it´s core and what is the reason that GT has become the huge franchise it is.

 

[RACECAR]

Well my gripe has nothing to do with prefering Race cars per se, but rather the fact a lot of more popular and historically relevant vehicles have been left out and instead we are given a load of underpowered un-interesting cheap little cars.

I don't understand where you get the idea that the more popular cars got "left out" and put in thier place were those little cars. You don't seem to take into consideration what is readily available and accessible. If anything, those "cheap little cars" are far more accessible then the "More popular and historically relevent" vehicles.

Let's be honest, most people do not drive half of what is in GT4.

Are you just taking into consideration people in your area or the general human population?

 

[Sureboss]

And people rarely drive that same half.

 

[dancardesigner]

All you Fanboys attacking me, you forget that GTplanet users make up only a very tiny percentage of the total GT gamers. Most gamers that play car games want to race the faster vehicles, hence why most other games like Forza and even PC sims include mostly high performance and race cars.
You people who like to go around in your Cappuccino are in the minority.
Why do you think we have so many wishlists on here, and guess what, the majority of cars people are asking to be implemented are either high performance or racing cars. Notice the keyword in what i just said, the majority.

 

[Famine]

Difference is that although I like driving around in crappers, I don't want to have the cars you like taken out because I don't like driving them. I want more cars, not new ones at the expense of others you might think suck.

Majorities are also not automatically right. The majority of people think that if everyone got a million pounds, everyone would be rich.

 

[dancardesigner]

Difference is that although I like driving around in crappers, I don't want to have the cars you like taken out because I don't like driving them. I want more cars, not new ones at the expense of others you might think suck.

Majorities are also not automatically right. The majority of people think that if everyone got a million pounds, everyone would be rich.[/QUOTE]

There is a difference between the majority having a preference, and the majority not understanding about how money works you know. A prefence has nothing to do with knowledge, so that is a bad analogy you just made.

 

[Famine]

There is a difference between the majority having a preference, and the majority not understanding about how money works you know. A prefence has nothing to do with knowledge, so that is a bad analogy you just made.

Not really. You didn't understand how PD select cars to put in the games and plonk yourself in a majority.

If you're going to cite what the majority want as being "right", you open yourself up to all sorts of problems.


You want fast cars as the expense of slower ones. Why seek to deny my fun to satisfy your own? I just want cars - and I'm one of a very select bunch of people that can rightly claim to have driven every car in every released GT game.

 

[dancardesigner]

Not really. You didn't understand how PD select cars to put in the games and plonk yourself in a majority.

If you're going to cite what the majority want as being "right", you open yourself up to all sorts of problems.


You want fast cars as the expense of slower ones. Why seek to deny my fun to satisfy your own? I just want cars - and I'm one of a very select bunch of people that can rightly claim to have driven every car in every released GT game.

What are you on about. This has nothing to do with what is deemed right, or Kaz's dream or anything like that. It is to do with the fact most people that play racing games like to race vehicles they can not in real life, you don't see people making mods for Rfactor and the like with crap cars in do you, they are always racing cars. Look at iracing, look at the car content in that, they are all racing cars.
What Kaz's dream is and whatever the reasons for him putting such cars in GT is irrelevent to what people like. Like i said a preference is what people like, i doubt most GT players think, oh Kaz must have put this car in here for a reason, therefore i will enjoy playing it.

I respect the fact you enjoy the slower vehicles, however my preference is different to yours and there are many more important cars to me that have been left out.

 

[Famine]

What are you on about. This has nothing to do with what is deemed right, or Kaz's dream or anything like that. It is to do with the fact most people that play racing games like to race vehicles they can not in real life, you don't see people making mods for Rfactor and the like with crap cars in do you, they are always racing cars. Look at iracing, look at the car content in that, they are all racing cars.
What Kaz's dream is and whatever the reasons for him putting such cars in GT is irrelevent to what people like. Like i said a preference is what people like, i doubt most GT players think, oh Kaz must have put this car in here for a reason, therefore i will enjoy playing it.

I respect the fact you enjoy the slower vehicles, however my preference is different to yours and there are many more important cars to me that have been left out.

Now compare the sales figures for GT - famed for having some crap cars in it that people wouldn't normally race - and... well... any other racing game. Looks like your fabled majority agree with Kaz.

Anything he puts in the game, I'll drive. I'll form an opinion after I've driven it (rather than "Oh, that's a crap car, I won't bother") as I have done with all the other cars in all the other GT games.

I respect the fact you enjoy the slower vehicles, however my preference is different to yours and there are many more important cars to me that have been left out.

I judge them on a case by case basis. One of my favourite cars in GT4 is the Ruf RGT. Another is the Speed 12. Hardly "slower". But then I also enjoy the Range Stormer, the Pajero Rally Raid, the Beat and the Mitsubishi i.

Cars are not left out to allow others in. They are left out because they are not modelled - for whatever reason - or licensing issues. So if it's okay by you, I'll keep my "slower" cars and add more cars rather than substituting out cars I don't like.

 

[FoolKiller]

I respect the fact you enjoy the slower vehicles, however my preference is different to yours and there are many more important cars to me that have been left out.

The problem is that you also are complaining about the slower cars being in the games, which likely has little to nothing to do with how many cars you prefer to be in the game.

 

[dancardesigner]

Now compare the sales figures for GT - famed for having some crap cars in it that people wouldn't normally race - and... well... any other racing game. Looks like your fabled majority agree with Kaz.

Anything he puts in the game, I'll drive. I'll form an opinion after I've driven it (rather than "Oh, that's a crap car, I won't bother") as I have done with all the other cars in all the other GT games.

Yet another silly thing to say. What you are basically saying is that the car count or crap cars included is the reason GT games have sold more than the others. That is ludicrous. The main selling points of GT games are the graphics and physics, hence why GT3 was still a very successful game.

 

[Radracing]

I'm content to take every car PD can throw at me - I've at least driven every single one of them in every single game they've sold (with the sole exception of the 4 additional models in Korean GT4 not in any other version of the game). I want more cars to drive - MOAR! - and I see no reason to take any car out.

I agree 100% if PD can get a license for it then it should be in GT. All cars should have a right in GT and if we run out of disc space then make them downloadable or when they get massive you can order them in sparate disc by manufacturer. I WANT THEM ALL!!!!

I'm still hoping for my 1973 Toyota Corrolla just to relive my youth.

 

[dancardesigner]

I agree 100% if PD can get a license for it then it should be in GT. All cars should have a right in GT and if we run out of disc space then make them downloadable or when they get massive you can order them in sparate disc by manufacturer. I WANT THEM ALL!!!!

People seem to be under the misconception here that i want the crap cars out. That is not the case. What i am saying is there are cars that deserve to be in the game more than them, so why are they not in. It is like Kaz has chosen to put cars in like the Cappucinno over say a Trans am, a very popular car in the US and very common, i mean they have the license for Pontiac already so why did they not include it. And the same goes for many other cars.

 

[Joel]

The problem is people don't understand that PD doesn't add cars with a 1 Yaris = 1 Ferrari.

Again, Famine's point about the disc space is very valid, and 50GB is a lot of space.

When I play GT4, or GT5 with friends, we always do a couple crazy fast race car races, then we try doing a race in a cappucino or something along those lines.

Some of the best racing ever was the classic mini (61 hp) in a 2p battle on any track (not super speedway though)

 

[Enciah]

Don't get me wrong - I'm not one of those douche bags that only raced Audi R8s in GT4 and everything had to have a stage 4 turbo kit. However, it remains a mystery to me why PD continue to waste space with 90HP boxes. A race full of Toyota Vitzes could conceivably be fun in real life, but in a game it's just going to be a boring, slow waste of time and (more importantly) disc space. I'm not saying get rid of cars like the Honda S500, and I know that slow doesn't always mean boring to drive, but I've never driven a Toyota Vitz/Mazda Demio etc. more than once or twice (excluding licenses/model specific races).

Just to clarify - I don't mean take out production cars, that's ludicrous. I mean take out cars such as the Vitz and Demio, and replace them with cars that (I think) are far more deserving.

I know everyone argues about what cars should be in, everyone has their favorite cars and all the rest of it, but all you need is to spend 5 minutes on racingsportscars.com to find 10 cars I'd bet good money you would rather have in GT5 than boring, uninspiring cars that were intended to get people that don't make a lot of money down the street to work.

Thoughts?

Yeah, but only because they are there, most people want to drive the exotics, not some boring daewoo or some crap like that.

I think lot of players like and want to drive simple cars...
https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=118659

 

[Tenacious D]

What do you mean another 👎 to me. Get out.

Like many have said i am entitled to my own oppinion, if you don't like it get lost. This whole thread is about debating wether people would rather have race cars anyways, so get lost, i don't care what your reputation on these forums are, i have no respect for you, especially when you make personal attacks. You make it look like i am the only one with a certain oppinion, even if there are others that agree with me.
Go and lick up to GT5 all you want Fanboy.

Well, good to know that you're the only one entitled to an opinion on the subject. And by the way, yes, I'm a card carrying GT Fanboy.

If you're going to cite what the majority want as being "right", you open yourself up to all sorts of problems.

I think this is dan's problem. I will admit that it's a huge chance that most of the 14 million GT game owners don't spend much time, or even any, on the low powered cars. But that's hardly an argument for excluding them for something else. If you want variety, by definition, you need a sampling assortment, and there's no getting around that. Even assuming that GT Planet, and game boards across the nets, were flooded with posters demanding "NO MORE CRAP DINKMOBILES, TRUCKS AND SNOWMOBILES!!1" it wouldn't matter. Not only did that not happen in any numbers whatsoever, it won't hurt anyone one bit to ignore a race or a car.

Look at drifting in Prologue. I completely ignored it. I complained about it a little bit, because it could have meant that other things could have been worked on, but I made a post or two about it and moved on. I know that it's popular and I realize that it's a part of the motorsports world, so what the heck? Let the kids drift. It would certainly be the height of arrogance for me to rant about it and dare anyone to disagree with me.

And let me add quickly that I don't seriously think that any work done on any aspect of a vehicle or gameplay feature such as drifting will mean something else is left out. What I think might be mutually exclusive, meaning this thing was focused on so that thing will have to wait for DLC or GT6, is

• Weather
• Damage
• Day/night cycles

And that's about it. I don't think any car was pushed aside in the name of any other car, save for time contraints. But oh well, there's DLC.

 

[steve30x]

People seem to be under the misconception here that i want the crap cars out. That is not the case. What i am saying is there are cars that deserve to be in the game more than them, so why are they not in. It is like Kaz has chosen to put cars in like the Cappucinno over say a Trans am, a very popular car in the US and very common, i mean they have the license for Pontiac already so why did they not include it. And the same goes for many other cars.

They have the Pontiac licence but it doesnt exactly mean they have the licence or permission to add all pontiac cars in the game.

 

[stepvan]

My opinion, for whats it worth... if I try a high powered car on any particular track I am usually useless, so, I then jump into one of the least lowered cars to take it for a spin at the same track ( dont ask me why, I just do it ) to 'feel the difference'...does that make sense?.So, i am happy to try a powerful car and a less powerful car at the same track. Is it coming across how i want it to come across?...

 

[FoolKiller]

It is like Kaz has chosen to put cars in like the Cappucinno over say a Trans am, a very popular car in the US and very common, i mean they have the license for Pontiac already so why did they not include it. And the same goes for many other cars.

And that is what Famine and I are disagreeing with you on. It would be extremely odd if they went about it that way. And if you believe they chose a slower car over a faster car and are saying you want faster cars, then it can be assumed they would have to chose in the other direction, thus limiting the slower cars.

 

[RACECAR]

People seem to be under the misconception here that i want the crap cars out. That is not the case. What i am saying is there are cars that deserve to be in the game more than them, so why are they not in. It is like Kaz has chosen to put cars in like the Cappucinno over say a Trans am, a very popular car in the US and very common, i mean they have the license for Pontiac already so why did they not include it. And the same goes for many other cars.

Again, how do you know this? What tells you that he doesn't want to include vehicles instead of it possibly being a result of again what is and what isn't available? Seeing as you don't work there and have never worked there, how can you clarify this? My only problem with what your saying is I see no solid proof(at least, none provided by you) on him excluding the more popular cars on purpose along with the fact that Kaz has clearly stated he wants to include them.

 

[IsmokeGT]

They have the Pontiac licence but it doesnt exactly mean they have the licence or permission to add all pontiac cars in the game.

If Kaz drove a WS6 he would include it. Modern American muscle baby. New gen Camaro's, Mustang's, and Charger's are all watered down. WS6 Trans Am is a straight line American dream.

I am fairly certain that car appeals to the US market as much as NASCAR.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SN50ESsOWTI&feature=related
That clip screams USA.