WSC V - Yera Wins Final PT Race, Lout Steals GT Class At Spa!

[chrisjohnson93]

I remember that and as such held back to make sure we didn't end up with damage... but to be honest the sheer amount of overtakes on GT drivers (and the time lost and gained from that), was to me what made this such a fun event...

By the end of the race the time spent behind the GT drivers should even itself out but some drivers are better at managing traffic than others

 

[Yeratel84]

By the end of the race the time spent behind the GT drivers should even itself out but some drivers are better at managing traffic than others

Not just that, but in this track in some places if you're stuck behind a slower car you have to wait a lot before you get a chance to overtake...

In my case in the 1st stint it was like having a bungee cord connecting me to both Panoz and Plux (one lap I would gain some time with clear track and then the next they would be all over me due to a slower car)

 

[braunracing88]

By the time that race ended, me and my E Type felt like we'd been pummeled in the ass with a 2x4. Took two massive hits during the race that damaged the car. What I thought could be a no-stop race turned into three stops. What a brutal race.

 

[snowgt]

Since it's been mentioned that GT drivers move from one side to the other on straights - that's unfortunately a problem with Laguna Seca. The three fastest straights (if you can call them that) are bent and the natural racing line takes you across from one side to the other.

Even when you check every couple of corners where other drivers are on the track map, a) you don't really see which ones are prototypes, and b) the sheer difference in speed between the two classes will mean that every once in a while you get surprised by a prototype coming out of nowhere. And if you're just moving to the other side of the track to set yourself up for the next corner, and you see a car approaching in your mirror, sometimes you really can't tell the intention, if they want to go through on the right or left. If you continue on your path crossing the track, you might take them out, and if you steer back to the side you came from, you might take their chance to make a last second dive to the other side.

Anyway, this having been my first WSC-race, I think I managed quite alright - had only one bump with a PT and luckily didn't get any damage. (nor was it my fault, I think )

Eiger will be interesting though in terms of PT-overtaking.

 

[FordMKIVJ5]

Since it's been mentioned that GT drivers move from one side to the other on straights - that's unfortunately a problem with Laguna Seca. The three fastest straights (if you can call them that) are bent and the natural racing line takes you across from one side to the other.

Even when you check every couple of corners where other drivers are on the track map, a) you don't really see which ones are prototypes, and b) the sheer difference in speed between the two classes will mean that every once in a while you get surprised by a prototype coming out of nowhere. And if you're just moving to the other side of the track to set yourself up for the next corner, and you see a car approaching in your mirror, sometimes you really can't tell the intention, if they want to go through on the right or left. If you continue on your path crossing the track, you might take them out, and if you steer back to the side you came from, you might take their chance to make a last second dive to the other side.

Anyway, this having been my first WSC-race, I think I managed quite alright - had only one bump with a PT and luckily didn't get any damage. (nor was it my fault, I think )

Eiger will be interesting though in terms of PT-overtaking.

That's why mics are a good idea- you can call out to the PT driver by name and the side you want them to overtake. For example if you clearly say "Yera, inside" then everybody knows exactly where to go, costing you less time.

The only flaws in this are:

A) Not many people have mics.

B) When people do have mics they tend to use them for chatting which masks/makes it harder to hear someone giving an instruction- if mics were only for relaying information then the channel could be kept clear.

 

[braunracing88]

Managed a 1:19 during the Eiger test that followed, but I really wish we were running the forward version. The downhill descent on the reverse version is downright dangerous. And you can barely see the braking zone for the sweeper at the end of the descent, either. Not too crazy about this one.

 

[FlyingFox]

As my post said it was "Without Prejudice" which means it was not a personal attack on any one person, just a general observation about the night.

Snow is right when he says the driving line moves across the track at Laguna and it appears that the GT drivers weave all the time, the same will happen at Eiger. In fact after testing there last night I predict at least 1 wreck in the tunnel and 1 at the hairpins it’s that tight.

Marunda is also correct. I know it seems anti-social but in this series with closing speeds what they are, comm chatter should be kept to a minimum and solely used for PT drivers to warn GT drivers of impending doom that they are approaching and be aware.

 

[Furinkazen]

There is always going to be incidents between both classes and near misses, I saw nothing wrong with GT driving lines myself. O'Rama cut me off and I had to slam on the brakes, could have been very . But honestly, @Plux, what O'Rama said I was going to send in a PM to you, just tame the excitement a bit as well, and Yeratel to an extent as well.

For Eiger by the way, 2 pace laps to get tyres warmed and grid sorted, single file start, green at the Eiger Reverse start / finish, and with a mere 12 second difference between PT / GT laps, and a pit stop taking some 45 seconds minimum, I see potential for a GT upset. I really do.

 

[R0ssingt0n]

If you refer to Lout, I was a full two car widths away from him on inside of track whilst he was middle outside, and he went lagging off.

Yeah Furi you lagged into me. It can't have been your fault as I left a load of room for you. I was just really annoyed with the lag, which is why I quit.

 

[KingSakery]

Race was great but pretty much lonely

Starting procedure has to be learned and explict explained. Furi told Snow to back off and snow kept hanging on the last PT´s exhaust.
80kph for the pace lap ??
I tried to do so and got the honky tonky from behind cause GT-leader (and the PT´s ??) where doing way more !!

=> pretty much confusing start which lead to Sagaris race loss at T1.

Enough of the fail-starting.

I did consstant 39´s mid-->high-->40´s till pitstop at Lap 25.
Did the same again and snow annihilated me.
Finished 2nd in GT-class pretty nice result

PT lapping GT´s:

My awareness saved me and almost all PT´s from heavy damage. I know one incident at T6 where I opened my steering cause 2 (!!!!!) PT´s would have D-bombed me into the Sand.
And at other corners other PT´s did same.
Joe and Furi where the only PT´s with whom I had no such issue
(apart from the little rear tap Furi gave me but you can´t do anything about it when your Ford wants to make love with my Z28 ).

Maybe it´s the Track but this issue has to be solved espacially for Eiger.

 

[Furinkazen]

Monterey Sportscar Classic - Laguna Seca

01 / PT / Yeratel / Jaguar / 60 Laps
02 / PT / Panoz / Ford / 60L
03 / PT / PluxTheDuck / Jaguar / 60L
04 / PT / MJ / Ferrari / -1
05 / PT / Furinkazen / Ford / -1
06 / GT / Snowcrash / Corvette / -7 (P) (FL: 1:39.0)
07 / GT / Sakery / Chevrolet / -8
08 / GT / Fox / Corvette / -9
09 / GT / O'Rama / Shelby / -9
10 / GT / Jamsy / AC / -9
11 / GT / Braun / Jaguar / -11
12 / GT / ChrisJohnson / Lancia / -14 (DNF)
13 / PT / JoeOfTheFire / Jaguar / -19 (DNF) (P) (FL: 1:24.5)
14 / GT / Akmuq / Chevrolet / -27 (DNF)
15 / GT / Sagaris / Alpine / -42 (DNF)
16 / GT / Lout / Alpine / -51 (DNF)

To Be Classified OVERALL at Race Conclusion, ALL drivers must have completed 2/3rds Race Distance. To Qualify For FULL Class points must have completed 2/3rds of there class winners laps.

40 Laps To Be Classified Overall (-20) (13 out of 16 starters classified)
40 Laps To Score Full Points In PT (-20) (6 out of 6 PT starters full points)
34 Laps To Score Full Points In GT (-26) (7 out of 10 GT starters full points)

Results Tables To Follow.
​

 

[snowgt]

Starting procedure has to be learned and explict explained. Furi told Snow to back off and snow kept hanging on the last PT´s exhaust.
80kph for the pace lap ??
I tried to do so and got the honky tonky from behind cause GT-leader (and the PT´s ??) where doing way more !!

Well, what is the starting procedure? GT class is supposed to hang back from PT? If so, how much?

I don't quite get why though. About 2 seconds after the PT's accelerate, they are gone anyway.

Didn't find anything about this in the OP's - sorry, if I messed up the start to some extent, but I thought Furi was only referring to general distance during pace lap.

 

[Furinkazen]

Well, what is the starting procedure? GT class is supposed to hang back from PT? If so, how much?

I don't quite get why though. About 2 seconds after the PT's accelerate, they are gone anyway.

Didn't find anything about this in the OP's - sorry, if I messed up the start to some extent, but I thought Furi was only referring to general distance during pace lap.

Bit of both here. I was worried about Snow getting the GT's close to the PT's on the pace lap as they were warming there tyres, and also the GT field kind of were caught napping by Snow on the front straight.

 

[FordMKIVJ5]

Well, what is the starting procedure? GT class is supposed to hang back from PT? If so, how much?

I don't quite get why though. About 2 seconds after the PT's accelerate, they are gone anyway.

Didn't find anything about this in the OP's - sorry, if I messed up the start to some extent, but I thought Furi was only referring to general distance during pace lap.

Because if a GT misses it's braking point or gets shunted into T1 it could career straight across the inside of T1 into the PTs.

 

[FlyingFox]

Maybe after the last hairpin the GT's need to slow down and let the PT's go ?

 

[Furinkazen]

Maybe after the last hairpin the GT's need to slow down and let the PT's go ?

Well the GT's had, except Snow, and we were pulling away from him until Joe checked us all up.

 

[FlyingFox]

Well the GT's had, except Snow, and we were pulling away from him until Joe checked us all up.

I was actually on about Eiger next week.

 

[SagarisGTB]

Bit of both here. I was worried about Snow getting the GT's close to the PT's on the pace lap as they were warming there tyres, and also the GT field kind of were caught napping by Snow on the front straight.

I was going 50, like I was supposed to, but the prototypes and Snow were going well over 60 mph and quickly developed a gap to me. I picked up the pace to catch up, but since I was doing well over 50 (to get closer to Snow) when the "green flag dropped", I didn't want to pass him (it would have been unfair) so I lifted when I got close to him. That led to Sakery and Chris and the rest of the GT field swamping me in T1.

The poorly defined start regulations are to blame, really. Nobody knows what a jump start is and what isn't, what you're allowed to do and what you can't. The pace speed isn't being respected at times but it's not defined when it has to be respected.

 

[Furinkazen]

I'll clarify them pre Eiger, first time we have had an issue in a long time. I personally think it was GT fields fault for not accelerating up with Snow, we were forming up 2x2 as we have done any season. Had there been an odd number of PT's, one GT would have been outside and then full rows behind.

 

[FlyingFox]

I'll clarify them pre Eiger, first time we have had an issue in a long time. I personally think it was GT fields fault for not accelerating up with Snow, we were forming up 2x2 as we have done any season. Had there been an odd number of PT's, one GT would have been outside and then full rows behind.

Like I said earlier, split the field and each lead car decides when to go

 

[Furinkazen]

A good idea, I will rewrite regulations for the Nurb.

 

[raceorama123432]

Like I said earlier, split the field and each lead car decides when to go

👍 I had this idea a while ago, thanks for bringing it up. It would help at the start if the GT cars pace speed at 10mph slower than PT cars

 

[Furinkazen]

👍 I had this idea a while ago, thanks for bringing it up. It would help at the start if the GT cars pace speed at 10mph slower than PT cars

Something ironically I was going to trial at the Nurb race...

 

[R0ssingt0n]

Nurb will be a good place to try it out too as the first corner is stupid.

 

[LancerEvo7]

How are you guys going to do the rolling start at the 'Ring? Surely not a full lap?

 

[Furinkazen]

How are you guys going to do the rolling start at the 'Ring? Surely not a full lap?

End of GP track.

 

[KingSakery]

I'll clarify them pre Eiger, first time we have had an issue in a long time. I personally think it was GT fields fault for not accelerating up with Snow, we were forming up 2x2 as we have done any season. Had there been an odd number of PT's, one GT would have been outside and then full rows behind.

What ??
Come on !!
We are the wrong ones ??
Hey you actually blame the rest of the GT-field for trying to keep in the pace-lap-speed-limit ??
That is 👎 bigtime.

BTW I don´t have any issue with snow and it´s not personal it was just a "finding" from me which confused me and espacially Sagaris.
Pace-lap speed is 50mph or 80-90kph but I had to do 100kph+ to keep up at times.


It was still a good race though but starting still has to be explained and or trained.

 

[R0ssingt0n]

I didn't even get a chance to get completely around the final corner before the first cars were going green...

 

[raceorama123432]

I didn't even get a chance to get completely around the final corner before the first cars were going green...

Yeah, I was rounding the last turn and saw the PT cars almost at the line! That's why the GT field came haring down the straight as we were trying to close the gap back up again!

 

[R0ssingt0n]

Yeah, I was rounding the last turn and saw the PT cars almost at the line! That's why the GT field came haring down the straight as we were trying to close the gap back up again!

I was pretty much flat out as soon as I got round the corner...

Also did anyone else see the GT6 Gamescom trailer? The shelby daytona coupe is in!